not a nice post but plz..

[Job]

Funny how death penalty debates always have to clear cut sides, no 'not arsed'
It's either 'shoot the fucker'
or 'how can 2 wrongs make a right'

2 me it all boils down to the purest sensation 'PAIN'

PAIN is instant, it is overwhelming and unstoppable without medical intervention.
It works great, 5 billion yrs of evolution has proved it's worth, prevents self harm, makes you run from predators, makes you fear injury, keeps the species going.

But when we punish, we hate to inflict pain, as in the physical from, mental pain and anguish is fine.
We are afraid to open Pandoras box, to reintroduce pain as punishment, we kill people humanley, by doing it without pain.

Punishment should be like pain, instant, overwhelming and unstoppable.

Don't want your creature to leave it's hand in the fire? PAIN
Don't want this guy to burgle your house? PAIN

Never argue with evolution.

 

[Dillinja]

Mental pain can sometimes be worse than physical pain though.

 

[Ezteq]

im not pro death penalty for pain i'd be happy with a quick painless death just stop them from being a danger to other people and sadly prison as a deterrant does not work a lot of the time, if you have a persistant reoffender who is not put of by anything then the best way to protect the innocent is to take this offender out of the equasion, i know lots of poeple believe life is valuable but im afraid that imo not all lives are i would gladly sacrifice the ian huntleys, jeffery dhamers, ed geins and other serial murderers, sex offenders with out batting an eye lid. some one said that civilized sociaty does not use the death penalty well i wouldnt say america is a great example but singapore is and they have an extreamily low crime rate.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Mental pain can sometimes be worse than physical pain though.

Aye, i'm the living proof of that

 

[Dillinja]

im not pro death penalty for pain i'd be happy with a quick painless death just stop them from being a danger to other people and sadly prison as a deterrant does not work a lot of the time, if you have a persistant reoffender who is not put of by anything then the best way to protect the innocent is to take this offender out of the equasion, i know lots of poeple believe life is valuable but im afraid that imo not all lives are i would gladly sacrifice the ian huntleys, jeffery dhamers, ed geins and other serial murderers, sex offenders with out batting an eye lid. some one said that civilized sociaty does not use the death penalty well i wouldnt say america is a great example but singapore is and they have an extreamily low crime rate.

Plus the tax payer won't have to pay for the scum's food and living conditions while they take their little vacation in prison.

 

[Ezteq]

Plus the tax payer won't have to pay for the scum's food and living conditions while they take their little vacation in prison.

ooh yeah i forgot how much it is but its some phenominal amount to keep people in prison long term, i mean for a child in care under the uk social services it costs about £2k a week or something stupid.

 

[Fana]

Imo, we do not need to bring back the death penalty, nor torture, as these forms of punishment have no place in a humane and secure justice system (besides death is an easy way out).
What we should have is life imprisonment (without possibility of parole) in a heavy labour camp. Make these criminals pay by letting them work insanely hard for the rest of their lifes, away from people that they can harm.

 

[Job]

Funny thing about death row is it makes you real popular with the ladies.

It seems there are thousands of emotionally unstable women out there (ok millions) who like nothing better than seeing the good side of a mass murderer and falling in love with him from afar.
'you don't know him like I do' (from 'I didn't do' it letters).

Every goddam lifer gets love letters from these fucknuts, CNN did a program on them ,with a reporter who was only 1 step from that way of thinking herself.
Did you see it? educated black guy from nice family, goes out, steals a car from driveway as elderly couple are getting out, as he drives off he shoots the guy in the head outside his front door, killing him instantly, admits the crime , gets death penalty.
Then spends 10 yrs trying to squirm his way out, meanwhile Dutch woman decides he is the love of her life and travels to the US to marry him.
They actually treated her in the program like she was sane.
And the reporter cried with her when the fooker was eventually sent on his merry way

sweet

 

[yaruar]

Punishment should be like pain, instant, overwhelming and unstoppable.

But heres the thing..

Why do we need to punish? What purpose does punishment bring? WHat good does it do?

Apart from quenching a thirst for revenge?

Revenge is a very destructive route to go down. Revenge is why we had genocide happening in former yugoslavia, revenge is why the troubles in Ulster continue to this day. As the saying goes "an eye for an eye makes everyone blind"

To me the mark of civilisation and goodness is a move away from a need to punish. Moving away from our basic animal instincts to a higher way of thinking......

 

[Culanan]

thje thing is with paedophiles (and they will be the 1st to admit this) is that they will repeat offend when ever the oppertunity arises, same with other sex offenders, serial killers are driven by this compulsion to do it too so with people like that unless you keep them locked up for the rest of their lives (which lets face it costs too damn much) you are putting another life at risk, i know a lot of people are against the death penalty but im not ashamed to admit in certain cases im all for it.

New economics say it's cheaper to lock people up, repeat offenders cost society a lot in man hours, paperwork, court cases, lost/damaged property and where applicable, victim compensation.

 

[Ezteq]

Funny thing about death row is it makes you real popular with the ladies.

It seems there are thousands of emotionally unstable women out there (ok millions) who like nothing better than seeing the good side of a mass murderer and falling in love with him from afar.
'you don't know him like I do' (from 'I didn't do' it letters).

Every goddam lifer gets love letters from these fucknuts, CNN did a program on them ,with a reporter who was only 1 step from that way of thinking herself.
Did you see it? educated black guy from nice family, goes out, steals a car from driveway as elderly couple are getting out, as he drives off he shoots the guy in the head outside his front door, killing him instantly, admits the crime , gets death penalty.
Then spends 10 yrs trying to squirm his way out, meanwhile Dutch woman decides he is the love of her life and travels to the US to marry him.
They actually treated her in the program like she was sane.
And the reporter cried with her when the fooker was eventually sent on his merry way

sweet

lol yeah charles manson was showing some of his letters from his adoring female public and said something along the lines of "well its nice and all but i wouldnt get involved with any of them cos theyre obviously nuts!"

 

[Bunnytwo]

But since revenge is a natural instinct its a valid part of the punishment process. If a friend or relative of yours has been tortured in the most brutal manner, the fact that the person who did it is never going to reoffend wouldn't really cut it if hes got a cell to himself in a nice clean prison with a TV in his cell and a pool table downstairs. Doesn't really cut it IMO.

As Ez pointed out Singapore does for the full on deterrent option. If its a major crime they hang your arse, if its something less serious they go for the corporal punishment option. Act like a thug, give someone a kicking you find yourself strapped to a frame with someone whooping your arse.

They have one of the lowest crime rates per head of population (about a tenth of the UK if I remember rightly) and funnily enough don't get many reoffenders (especially on the capital cases )

Works for me.

 

[Ala]

Aye, i'm the living proof of that

Here here

edit: The ex-cons I know say they go in to jail a criminal novice and come out with a phd in criminology
In other words.. jail is just a cage. We all know there is no rehabilitation. Although in this country and in the U.S. I believe, drug related crimes are the majority population inside. They are doing a little more to encourage peeps to chose rehab as an alternative to jail and alot go for it..ofc. Some of those people will get clean and change their ways.
Serial killers need to be kept alive and prodded with pointy sticks and studied imo. Once all the info has been gathered, inject em and be done with it. They aint gonna get better. Ever.

 

[Job]

Unfortunately, I know exactly where 'higher thinking' is going, it will end up at it's ultimate conclusion.

That is that criminal activity is just failings of the human brain, he murderd because he wasn't thinking straight..it's his physciatrists fault for not treating his mental illness.
More and more we are sidestepping our personal responsibilities.

And there is a freaky logic in it, something I would say myself.

How can I be blamed for being, Murderous, aggressive, psychotic, I was born this way, I can't help it.
Peodophiles could blame their genes.
We have yet to decide as sentient beings, who is ultimatly responsible, do you accept responsibilty for the body you are in, including the brain, or can you blame it's shortcomings for your behaviour.
All ready people get vastly reduced sentences for proving they had a psychotic moment . completely out of character.

The end result is a classic get-out cause.
'Sorry for that, I wasn't functioning correctly at that moment'