Non-slanging match war debate.

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Arnor

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avvent replied till now because ive been busy(insert random excuse here)

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Hitler wanted to TAKE OVER THE WORLD, Saddam, while he may WANT to take over the world, isnt actually trying etc.


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Dont quite get you there, to my information the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam bought, was from the USA, handshake from donald rumsfield included.

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No weaponinspectors dont stop saddam from abusing his own ppl, BUT they do stop saddam from doing "terrorist attacks" which is under the incent that the USA invaded Iraq on.

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how did they reportedly kill saddam now? bunkerbusters on his bunker. Did they really have to be in the middle of Iraq to do that?

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I sincerely doubt that the killcount will be less under saddam then under USA&UN sanctions

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With his army reduced 90% in fighting capabilities, how big a threat is he?

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No saddam hasnt cooperated fully, hes a sick evil bastard, what else did you expect?
 
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kaod

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Originally posted by Arnor2

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Hitler wanted to TAKE OVER THE WORLD, Saddam, while he may WANT to take over the world, isnt actually trying etc.
For gods sake make sure you know what the context is. You said war is NEVER the answer. Britain declared war on Germany. THAT is the point.
Originally posted by Arnor2
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Dont quite get you there, to my information the weapons of mass destruction that Saddam bought, was from the USA, handshake from donald rumsfield included..[/B]
You said Iraq the weapons they bought from the USA to invade (saudi) Kuwait. They didn't. They used Russian made, Russian bought equipment.

This is getting pointless if you can't stay in context Arnor.
Originally posted by Arnor2
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No weaponinspectors dont stop saddam from abusing his own ppl, BUT they do stop saddam from doing "terrorist attacks" which is under the incent that the USA invaded Iraq on.[/B]
They don't totally stop stuff or people leaving the country.
So continue your list of LOTS of ways then... so far that list is looking very barren.
Originally posted by Arnor2
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how did they reportedly kill saddam now? bunkerbusters on his bunker. Did they really have to be in the middle of Iraq to do that?
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Of course they did. Intelligence is gleaned from the people on the ground. You think Saddam gives out his whereabouts on IRC?
Originally posted by Arnor2
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I sincerely doubt that the killcount will be less under saddam then under USA&UN sanctions[/B]
Of course.
Originally posted by Arnor2
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With his army reduced 90% in fighting capabilities, how big a threat is he?[/B]
In convential terms, not a great threat. To his own people and via WMD, well you don't need to be a soldier to be threat do you?
And also, 90% of what total figure of arms? And a threat to his neighbours who have a total arms of how much?
90% is still a lot when you have spent stack loads of money on arms instead of feeding your own country.
Originally posted by Arnor2
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No saddam hasnt cooperated fully, hes a sick evil bastard, what else did you expect? [/B]
Exactly. And I say again, instead of pointing the finger at the US/UK coallition for what they ARE doing, pointing the finger at them for situations where they aren't doing anything is just absurd.
Either worlds police or not.. choose one.
Then point those fingers at other so-called moral nations for their total lack of action.
 
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Arnor

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from your "democratic" Israel


http://mitglied.lycos.de/ranger9/cnn.jpg


edit: and PLEASE show me the wmd's he got, ALL of em, you know the one the US "found" but then turned out to be pesticides etc. If the US cant find ANY WMD's after INVADING the country, you might even think that there might not be any...
 
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Karam_gruul

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i nearly pmsl'd the other day when i was watching the news, saw these raghead soldiers laying on some river bank under heavy fire, 3 of them dive into the water, and the fourth waits, then when he gets up you see bullets flying around him roflmao, dont think we hit the cunt tho :(

theres been some good footage of us treating the bastards roughly, that one that someone suspected of filming the dead americans... i'd have just kicked him so hard in the head when he was handcuffed on his knees. scum
 
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kaod

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Originally posted by Arnor2
from your "democratic" Israel


http://mitglied.lycos.de/ranger9/cnn.jpg


edit: and PLEASE show me the wmd's he got, ALL of em, you know the one the US "found" but then turned out to be pesticides etc. If the US cant find ANY WMD's after INVADING the country, you might even think that there might not be any...

Link doesn't work.

Israel is a democracy - no need for "so-called" speech marks.

Probably the same as with the UN inspectors, the regime is given a great deal of advance warning and has time to shift the evidence.
Even former weapons inspectors agree with this, hence why they never found any before.

And again, we know he had them, he was never able to account to Blix what happened to them.
What does that tell you?
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by kaod
Link doesn't work.

Israel is a democracy - no need for "so-called" speech marks.

Probably the same as with the UN inspectors, the regime is given a great deal of advance warning and has time to shift the evidence.
Even former weapons inspectors agree with this, hence why they never found any before.

And again, we know he had them, he was never able to account to Blix what happened to them.
What does that tell you?


You dont find it SLIGHTLY odd that the INVADING nation hasnt found a shit?

the pic showed the israeli police stopping a 20-year old palestinian, forcing him to the ground, searching him for wpns/bombs, stripping his clothes, and then after finding nothing, shooting him in the head and leaving him to die. Thats why I used "so called" :puke:
 
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kaod

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Originally posted by Arnor2
You dont find it SLIGHTLY odd that the INVADING nation hasnt found a shit?

the pic showed the israeli police stopping a 20-year old palestinian, forcing him to the ground, searching him for wpns/bombs, stripping his clothes, and then after finding nothing, shooting him in the head and leaving him to die. Thats why I used "so called" :puke:

Not odd at all. Plenty of warning was given that the war was going to happen.
Plenty of time to move family members, Saddam himself and weapons out of the country.

You can tell ALL that from a picture? Seriously??
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by kaod
Not odd at all. Plenty of warning was given that the war was going to happen.
Plenty of time to move family members, Saddam himself and weapons out of the country.

You can tell ALL that from a picture? Seriously??


ever heard of several pictures put together in one big one?
That was JUST a retarded comment from you.
 
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kaod

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Originally posted by Arnor2
ever heard of several pictures put together in one big one?
That was JUST a retarded comment from you.

You said THE picture.. singular.

The same goes for video footage... you may "see" what's happening, however that doesn't always explain the whole story behind whats happening.

Yours is just a very biased comment. No comment on the intelligence behind it.
 
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Arnor

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Originally posted by kaod
You said THE picture.. singular.

The same goes for video footage... you may "see" what's happening, however that doesn't always explain the whole story behind whats happening.

Yours is just a very biased comment. No comment on the intelligence behind it.


Its still ONE picture, its called a mosaic.
No ofc it doesnt tell the hole story, BUT it does show the police searching, cuffing and killing an apparently innocent man and leaving him in the streets.
You try to talk your way out of it, i've explained the photo to you, WHAT do you think of that?
 
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kaod

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Originally posted by Arnor2
Its still ONE picture, its called a mosaic.
No ofc it doesnt tell the hole story, BUT it does show the police searching, cuffing and killing an apparently innocent man and leaving him in the streets.
You try to talk your way out of it, i've explained the photo to you, WHAT do you think of that?

Firstly you never told me it was a mosaic. The link didn't work, then you said the picture shows, not the pictures of the mosaic.
How the hell was I to know what it was aside from your very loose description?

You say "apparently" innocent. Therefore you have no conclusive proof. Maybe he was a member of Hamas.

I'm not trying to talk my way out of it... just proving that you label comments retarded when you are at fault for not providing sufficient information, and also for forming an opinion from only a set of photographs.

If the guy was innocent then that is indeed horrible and should never be allowed to happen - it's not the only country that might happen in either .
Doesn't change the fact that Israel is a democracy though - really what does it prove in the context of the debate?

And Arnor - I am the one who is answering each and every question or statement you make.

It is you who is selectively choosing the parts that suit your argument.
 
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k u can stop debating now, we won the war kthxbye :m00:
 

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