No iPhone 4 thread?

[old.user4556]

Well it got announced this evening:

Apple iPhone 4 - first look - Telegraph

Here are some videos:

YouTube - CNETTV's Channel

YouTube - CNETTV's Channel - video calling, packaged up in shiny Apple shite called Facetime.

YouTube - CNETTV's Channel - new camera

YouTube - CNETTV's Channel - gyroscope

YouTube - CNETTV's Channel - various chat about HD video recording an iMovie

Looks like a slick piece of hardware, but I don't really see any leaps and bounds that I was expecting given how good the competition is.

 

[Krazeh]

I've made a couple of comments in the iPad thread. Seems to be pretty much the same as normal for Apple. One or two things that could possibly be considered to be innovation, numerous additions to catch up with things others have been doing for ages and lots of pointless buzzwords to convince people that the new iPhone is somehow a million times better than not only everything else on the market but their old iPhone as well.

 

[old.user4556]

I gotta admit, it looks gorgeous with the omeleioeoeoeioephobic glass and stainless steel surround. Also loving the idea behind the IPS screen.

However, FaceTime? Video chat? That's as old as the hills and was pretty shite the first time round.

 

[Krazeh]

I gotta admit, it looks gorgeous with the omeleioeoeoeioephobic glass and stainless steel surround. Also loving the idea behind the IPS screen.

Yeah, I have to agree it is a nice looking piece of kit. Not sure how impressed I am with the "integrated antenna" claims, I'm fairly certain most phones i've had have had those in one place or another. Not sure using the metal surround is a massive innovation in antenna design or integration. As for the IPS screen I've read that Super AMOLED screens are actually better in terms of colours, contrast, viewing angle, brightness. In fact everything apart from the resolution which is slightly lower on a Super AMOLED screen.

However, FaceTime? Video chat? That's as old as the hills and was pretty shite the first time round.

Yep, there's a reason noone uses video calling, it's shit. Don't see 'FaceTime' changing that tbh. Not seeing the fuss about the 'new' camera either, or the need for iMovies on a phone that small. Who's seriously going to be doing any sort of major editing work on an iPhone? Am loving the iAds feature tho, won't be anything better than spending 200-300 pounds on a phone and then have it display ads in all your apps.

 

[dysfunction]

Unfortunately it's still an iPhone locked down by apple. Android devices for me please.

 

[Sparx]

Looks great and i will get it

I was laughing though at the whole facetime thing, they are doing the same as they done with the ipod tricking everyone into thinking it wasnt just an mp3 player but something bigger and better

 

[Ono]

HTC Desire here. Apple's closed source policy sucks.

 

[Preatoria]

I have to admit that I really can't get the people who just go with the flow and buy shitty 'new' versions. This is like the ipod's tbh, first version was a good product but with some minor issues. Version 1.1 was better and fixed most problems - this is the version i would buy, never buy something brand new as it will have a lot of issues . Now version 4 already ... What's new to this version ? Nothing major really, it looks the same and it probably is for 99%. Only the price will be higher again.

I prefer unlocked cellphones and devices with a lesser marketing blabla around it. Blackberry for example, good, solid & reliable. I would never use an iphone for work. I would use a blackberry for work.

 

[Sparx]

i have a BB for work and i still prefer the iphone

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Blackberry for example, good, solid & reliable. I would never use an iphone for work. I would use a blackberry for work.

I have to support Blackberry server and occasionally the devices if things can't be sorted out lower down the food chain. I despise Blackberry.

 

[ST^]

I think the Galaxy S will be the best phone out there when people actually start selling it.

My old N73 did video calling and I didn't even want to use it once. So why do Apple reinvent it and make it wifi only? Of course, the Apple fans will start video calling eachother while claiming that it's the next big thing.

 

[DaGaffer]

I think the Galaxy S will be the best phone out there when people actually start selling it.

My old N73 did video calling and I didn't even want to use it once. So why do Apple reinvent it and make it wifi only? Of course, the Apple fans will start video calling eachother while claiming that it's the next big thing.

I don't see the Galaxy S being better or even as good as a Desire. With Android you have to add value with the UI and/or the "tactility"; the Desire, The Legend (especially) and even the X10 are all nice things to hold and touch, in the reviews I've read the Galaxy S is criticised for being plasticky, although it does get big props for the Super AMOLED display.

On the video calling thing, it amuses me that the Apple device that makes most sense for video calling, the iPad, has no front-facing camera; so Apple get the fanbois frothing with the shitty experience on the iPhone, and then flog it to them again with iPad V.2. Its so insultingly transparent, and still people bend over and take a length from Jobs every fucking time.

 

[ford prefect]

I use blackberry for work and most of the time at home, partly because it never costs me anything to use and partly because the mrs has one too. I have an Iphone, but I don't use it very often. That will probably change in the next year or two as corporate blackberry deals aren't nearly as good as they used to be, some much better deals about now. Iphone full time will probably be the way to go when this contract is up.

The new iphone display looks pretty good.

 

[Tom]

will stick with my nexus one thanks. Apple are good at rolling turds in glitter.

 

[ST^]

I don't see the Galaxy S being better or even as good as a Desire. With Android you have to add value with the UI and/or the "tactility"; the Desire, The Legend (especially) and even the X10 are all nice things to hold and touch, in the reviews I've read the Galaxy S is criticised for being plasticky, although it does get big props for the Super AMOLED display.

Well it has probably the best phone screen of all time (which in addition to being amazing in all lighting conditions, it allows the phone to be thinner and lighter while drawing less power), a faster processor than the Desire/N1, a PowerVR GPU on top of that, comes with Swype preinstalled. I don't think that feeling "plasticky" is enough to wipe out it's advantages. Also seems like Touchwiz is not a Sony Ericsson style fuckup, but a useful UI that doesn't bog the phone down.

 

[Chilly]

So why does this mobile phone thread get to go in general, when no other can?

fucking apple fanboy *****, fuck off back to your holes.

 

[Marc]

I never bought into the blackberry hype at all. Smart phones can do everything a blackberry can. Or am I missing something?

 

[Raven]

Junk with half the functionality and double the price tag. No thanks

 

[ST^]

Blackberry is popular with girls who text a lot because they get to 'ping' for free.

 

[ford prefect]

I never bought into the blackberry hype at all. Smart phones can do everything a blackberry can. Or am I missing something?

Not at all, in general most smartphones are better than Blackberry now (arguably excluding email). It's just that Blackberry were first to do a reasonably good smart phone and they were generally better value for large organizations on business deals up until a couple of years ago which is why they are so common.

The truth is RIM, who make blackberry havn't really kept up with the market and a lot of their apps are pretty dire. Just as an example RIM's dedicated facebook app has been broken for many users for over six months, they haven't bothered fixing it.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I never bought into the blackberry hype at all. Smart phones can do everything a blackberry can. Or am I missing something?

RIM were just one of the phone providers to embrace push technology with Blackberry and got a load of marketshare before others caught up. Back in the day you could get for an enterprise the whole blackbox solution as it were with the server that hooks into Exchange or Domino and the devices themselves. Another selling point is that Blackberry doesn't really increase your attack surface. Thats a slight fudge but accurate enough for most purposes.

I've not seen anything since the initial product with any ooh ahh factor, just revisions and refinements coupled with some really bad phones.

 

[MYstIC G]

iPhone 4 vs. the smartphone elite: EVO 4G, N8, Pre Plus, and HD2 -- Engadget

Personally I thought that was quite useful. I'm not sure I am sold either way on the new one tbh. Every new iPhone release however does make me glad I've never bought an Apple dock.

 

[MYstIC G]

Oh and everyone can get hold of it this time: iPhone 4 confirms June 24 date with O2, Orange and Vodafone in UK -- Engadget

 

[ford prefect]

RIM missed a big opportunity really, they got a bit too complacent with blackberry. It's a shame really, but I suppose they aimed at the corporate market rather than public and they cornered it for a long while. You still see large organizations buying into Blackberry. South Wales Police for example just issued Blackberry Curves to all employees, civilian and force alike with unlimited contracts on a five year deal. My work did the same on a three year deal around 18 months ago for 10,000 employee's.

 

[Marc]

RIM were just one of the phone providers to embrace push technology with Blackberry and got a load of marketshare before others caught up. Back in the day you could get for an enterprise the whole blackbox solution as it were with the server that hooks into Exchange or Domino and the devices themselves. Another selling point is that Blackberry doesn't really increase your attack surface. Thats a slight fudge but accurate enough for most purposes.

I've not seen anything since the initial product with any ooh ahh factor, just revisions and refinements coupled with some really bad phones.

I was going to say. I have a company phone, an n73 or n93, I dunno and the mail for exchange works like I dream. COuld access my work emails nps on holiday

 

[Chilly]

my company is blackberry too. I think the reason they are so popular is because you cant waste quite as much time on a bb than on an iphone and employers actually want employees to work.

 

[DaGaffer]

Well it has probably the best phone screen of all time (which in addition to being amazing in all lighting conditions, it allows the phone to be thinner and lighter while drawing less power), a faster processor than the Desire/N1, a PowerVR GPU on top of that, comes with Swype preinstalled. I don't think that feeling "plasticky" is enough to wipe out it's advantages. Also seems like Touchwiz is not a Sony Ericsson style fuckup, but a useful UI that doesn't bog the phone down.

We had a Samsung Wave in the office last week, which is a Bada/Touchwiz phone (also Super AMOLED); wasn't impressed with Touchwiz at all as it just seemed like an iPhone clone. Funnily enough the rest of the phone was quite nice.

Then again I'm one of the few people who likes Timescape, so what do I know?

 

[ford prefect]

my company is blackberry too. I think the reason they are so popular is because you cant waste quite as much time on a bb than on an iphone and employers actually want employees to work.

Thats probably a fair point, and really when you look at it from a purely "Work" point of view, blackberry's actually do what employers want pretty well.

 

[ST^]

Well, the main reason Blackberry dominates in business is push email.

 

[ST^]

We had a Samsung Wave in the office last week, which is a Bada/Touchwiz phone (also Super AMOLED); wasn't impressed with Touchwiz at all as it just seemed like an iPhone clone. Funnily enough the rest of the phone was quite nice.

Then again I'm one of the few people who likes Timescape, so what do I know?

I'm not a fan of the iphone-style icons always showing at the bottom, but the Galaxy S is android so you have the same homescreen/widget/shortcut functionality.

Samsung did add wifi/GPS/bluetooth/volume toggles in the notification pulldown, which seems pretty clever to me (atm I use the android "Power Control" widget for that).

How did the screen look? Haven't seen one of these SAMOLED babies in person yet, but my brother is dead set on getting a Galaxy S.