Nightshades

[tigersan]

Can some please tell me what a good NS spec is at 50.

I read one that said peirce 50, CD 44, Stealth 32, CS21 and evenom was something like 10.

Is this a good spec or not.

thanks for help.

 

[foolou]

Little thing .. if you start with rr2 and 32 (44 with boni) stealth you'll have a hard time not being spotted.

Might be a cool spec for a rr6+ shade, but dunno.

 

[oblivion_6]

my spec is gonna be

44CS
37 Peirce/Envenom/Stealth
17CD

For this you only need +13 to get the important stealth and env to 50 and this means u only need RR4 to achieve this

Also you get to put a wee bit more into CD to increase your chances of using both weapons

Also the 44CS gives u the final evade style giving u a 4 stage evade style (Diamondback, Hamstring, Leaper and ??? bah cant remember its name lol)

 

[magol]

im specced,


45 knifes, 45 cs, 33 hide, 31 env, 18 cd

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by oblivion_6
my spec is gonna be

44CS
37 Peirce/Envenom/Stealth
17CD

For this you only need +13 to get the important stealth and env to 50 and this means u only need RR4 to achieve this

Also you get to put a wee bit more into CD to increase your chances of using both weapons

Also the 44CS gives u the final evade style giving u a 4 stage evade style (Diamondback, Hamstring, Leaper and ??? bah cant remember its name lol)

With 37 Weapon, u will suffer from a low low weaponskill, specially against other assasins or tanks.....
Magol's specc seems to be better equiped, but hes high rr, so a rr3-4-5 specc should low the CS n raise the stealth, and envenom for the 47th debuff poison (dont worry for Lifebane, Insidious DoT has only 8 damages per tick less)

 

[Stallion-]

gimps

44+15(59) weap, high weaponskill, atleast needed if ur a bladeshade to get pass the str/con debuff decently, recomended to all..

39+15(54) cs, dont need third style in evade chain (dmg sucks anyway)

35+15(50)stealth, dont go more, u will have 50 stealth at rr5, u dont want to overcap it

20+15(35) CD, better chance to swing offhand, important for bladeshades, think its 1% bigger chance per 2 points u put into it pre 50.

35 or 36 Envenom+15(50-51)take 36 if u want lifebane a few rps earlier...

imo this is the best balanced specc, going over 39 cs is a waste sure ur PA cap will raise, but the afterdmg will make up for it. and going over 44 in either pierce or blades is a waste. U will get more weaponskill but id put those pts into CD insteed, will do more dmg overall.

 

[oblivion_6]

hmmmm

i wonder lol do chars who dont use their respecs at 40 and such still ave them?

or is 1.62 giving full respec?

lol

 

[magol]

Originally posted by Stallion-
gimps

44+15(59) weap, high weaponskill, atleast needed if ur a bladeshade to get pass the str/con debuff decently, recomended to all..

39+15(54) cs, dont need third style in evade chain (dmg sucks anyway)

35+15(50)stealth, dont go more, u will have 50 stealth at rr5, u dont want to overcap it

20+15(35) CD, better chance to swing offhand, important for bladeshades, think its 1% bigger chance per 2 points u put into it pre 50.

35 or 36 Envenom+15(50-51)take 36 if u want lifebane a few rps earlier...

imo this is the best balanced specc, going over 39 cs is a waste sure ur PA cap will raise, but the afterdmg will make up for it. and going over 44 in either pierce or blades is a waste. U will get more weaponskill but id put those pts into CD insteed, will do more dmg overall.

as a blade shade u would get so high ws, and the debuff will kill u =( - 118 stre, whats your stre buffed?

 

[_null_]

My spec (I'm making an elf bladeshade so replace blades with piercing for normal shades)

44 Blades
35 stealth/envenom
39 (or 44) CS
20 (or 5) CD

This spec gives you high weaponskill, all the necessary styles in CS (the 44 style is third in an evade chain and as you'll mostly use that against assassins it's not very likely to be used often) it also gives you decent CD which you can easily boost with Duellist's reflexes etc. Although it puts you at a disadvantage until rr5 due to lack of lifebane/non-maxed stealth rr5 isn't _that_ hard to achieve and it's good if you don't want to have to get respecstones every two days.

Edit: Bah Stajj beat me to it

 

[Stallion-]

Originally posted by oblivion_6

Also the 44CS gives u the final evade style giving u a 4 stage evade style (Diamondback, Hamstring, Leaper and ??? bah cant remember its name lol)

the pts u put into CS dosent make up for one singel style that is third in the evade chain, wich afaik dont do much other then being another style. dont see any special with it. and with that weapon skill u gonna be crying after some debuffs wether u are blade shade or not.

 

[Stallion-]

Originally posted by magol
as a blade shade u would get so high ws, and the debuff will kill u =( - 118 stre, whats your stre buffed?

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well thats the dilemma of a bladeshade, althou with 44 weap and a bb (as _all_ bladeshades need) it wont affect me that badly as if I would be unbuffed and with ?!?! 39 blades... I dont worry to much about it got my dex/qui proc to rely on, makes it even

 

[Stallion-]

And its really depends what u want to do http://www.aros.net/~fumigatr/daoc/armortable.htm

EDIT: but dunno why we discussing blades v pierce when hes going pierce

Althou with ur current plans : I read one that said peirce 50, CD 44, Stealth 32, CS21 and evenom was something like 10

50 pierce is way to high, u dont get any super duper styles, but I would keep pierce at 44 to get the weaponskill and th 44 style?!?! (know jackshit about pierce styles)

44 CD is way to high aswell, our CD isnt as good as LA or DW, think DW gets a nice 50 style at the end, dunno if its worth speccing for, althou with DF in LA its worth speccing high for... Shadow Zerkers... havent seen a viable Nightzerker so far so I dont see any use of going higher then 20 CD...

32 stealth +15 will bring u to 47 stealth wich maybe is enuff, dont know, heard it will gimp the radius around u, this is nothing I know of...

u do want atleast 39 CS... thats a minimun and a maximum imo not worth going lower or higher. The pts u get over and put in CD or whatever skill except Stealth/env? will make up for ur loss of PA cap?!?! if there is any...

35 Envenom is nice hence u get lifebane at a early rr, (rr5)... but most important is that u get the 47 str/con debuff... remember that the str/con debuff stacks with the 17 str debuff so dont forget to apply another blade/piercer for more pwnage
and IMO lifebane gets much more viable with Viper & WA? or am I wrong...

Sorry if its a mess all this, kinda in a hurry nd just wanted to note down my toughts... gl with ur choice, let us know what u go for

 

[lofff]

i agree with all stallion said, but for chain casting selfbt in betwen mid fg

 

[Noche]

44 CS or 39 CS, that is the question

Anyway 44 wpn spec is required, lately more and more tests have shown that wpnskill is by far the most important factor regarding to hit etc (there r also test saying that it only affects miss rate instead of parry/block/evade but hell, I seldom evade a zerker >,<)

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Stallion-
And its really depends what u want to do http://www.aros.net/~fumigatr/daoc/armortable.htm

EDIT: but dunno why we discussing blades v pierce when hes going pierce

Althou with ur current plans : I read one that said peirce 50, CD 44, Stealth 32, CS21 and evenom was something like 10

50 pierce is way to high, u dont get any super duper styles, but I would keep pierce at 44 to get the weaponskill and th 44 style?!?! (know jackshit about pierce styles)

44 CD is way to high aswell, our CD isnt as good as LA or DW, think DW gets a nice 50 style at the end, dunno if its worth speccing for, althou with DF in LA its worth speccing high for... Shadow Zerkers... havent seen a viable Nightzerker so far so I dont see any use of going higher then 20 CD...

32 stealth +15 will bring u to 47 stealth wich maybe is enuff, dont know, heard it will gimp the radius around u, this is nothing I know of...

u do want atleast 39 CS... thats a minimun and a maximum imo not worth going lower or higher. The pts u get over and put in CD or whatever skill except Stealth/env? will make up for ur loss of PA cap?!?! if there is any...

35 Envenom is nice hence u get lifebane at a early rr, (rr5)... but most important is that u get the 47 str/con debuff... remember that the str/con debuff stacks with the 17 str debuff so dont forget to apply another blade/piercer for more pwnage
and IMO lifebane gets much more viable with Viper & WA? or am I wrong...

Sorry if its a mess all this, kinda in a hurry nd just wanted to note down my toughts... gl with ur choice, let us know what u go for

Agree with all except 1 thing................


GOOD LUCK LANDING A 17th poison

 

[spankya]

My spec is:

34 Stealth
34 Envenom
44 Pierce
44 CS
14 CD

Works well for me, but I still need to get to rr6

 

[Stallion-]

its the best str debuff psion, comes at 17 envenom, dont think its harder to land...greater weakening...

 

[Chameleon]

39 Pierce
44 CS
36 Env/Stealth
Rest CD

+13 from items RR

This is my spec iirc and I like it a lot. I don't suffer from any problems with my base damage having 39 pierce and I love the 44 cs style.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Stallion-
its the best str debuff psion, comes at 17 envenom, dont think its harder to land...greater weakening...

As a 17th poison it gets resisted LOADS

 

[tigersan]

thx for you help folks so many choices looks like when im 50 ill be buying lots of respec stones ;-)

 

[Stallion-]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
As a 17th poison it gets resisted LOADS

hmm ok, but stil worth having on a swap blade?

 

[dexa]

HI.......................................................

.....................................Back


First been away a few month 4 i think, trying to get up to date with ns see how i specc.

Still have full respecc and am rrk 7.

Havent get found out why i should get more then 33 base in piercing!

so i maby go for this:

33 Stealth
33 Envenom
33 Pierce
33 CD
44 CS

But i get back as soon as i read some more.

Anyway its not 2 points here 2 points there its how u play

GL and hope i see u out there soon...

Dexa

 

[Kicks]

I'm specced at:

44 CS
42 Pierce
34 envenom
35 Stealth
rest cd

will let u know how it works when I get my SC sorted but looks good atm

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by dexa


Havent get found out why i should get more then 33 base in piercing!


so i maby go for this:

33 Stealth
33 Envenom
33 Pierce
33 CD
44 CS

pierce = your weaponskill. your dealing with infils with 50 thrust all the time. if you have low weaponskill u willl get evaded more/miss more etc.


spec pts is a problem here, but go 40ish+ pierce.

 

[Stallion-]

gimpy dont do it ALTHOU its hard to gimp a NS , so id say u can go for whatever u feel for and stil manage fine

 

[dexa]

well with 33 i have 50 with plus

now i have 36 + 14 and its 50 and have (had) no problem with them and if i had it was not that piercing was 50

 

[tigersan]

i might try speccing two NS to BG0 and see what does best ie blade and pierce.

I read on another forum this spec

48 peirce
34 CS
35 stealth
20 CD
35 Even

never being an NS and with so many options im just trying to get a idea of everyones oppinions of a good NS dont want to be kak at RVR..


whats the above spec like in all your eyes?

 

[dexa]

i dont think any of u missed this big post,

i dont say all that luckie says is right but he have many good points

http://daoc.catacombs.com/forum.cfm?ThreadKey=1058&DefMessage=137022&forum=DAOCHiberniaForum

he do much testing on ns here u have his ns homepage

http://luckie_nmor.tripod.com/nightshades/

there was one other big post but after like 300 replies started this one.

if u gone start a ns its good reading...

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by dexa
well with 33 i have 50 with plus

now i have 36 + 14 and its 50 and have (had) no problem with them and if i had it was not that piercing was 50

u got 50 spec in weapon, i got 69 spec in weapon, there will be a significant diffrence


get higher weaponspec imo

 

[dexa]

well i dont need 50 in piercing like u need 50 in thrust i just count on i PA u