NHS 'failing to tackle obesity' ??

[Any]

Originally posted by Ash!
A bit of a rash generalisation me thinks. If it only it were that simple

Its not a generalisation when its true. If most of these people ate less and did some exercise then they wouldnt be fat. It is that simple.

I dont eat perfectly(a lot better than most fat people) but i do quite a lot of exercise. 6 months ago i had a bit of a gut, nothing much but i didnt want it. So i stopped eating take away 3 times a week and stopped drinking all fizzy drinks and spent at least 2 hours in the gym every other day. Suprise suprise im now a lot fitter and have lost my gut.

 

[Delboy]

I mostly cut out my sugar intake by cutting out choccy bars/fizzy drinks (morning and night) no sugar in tea/coffee during the day.

I found alternatives that I DID like, so that made it easier.

As far as meals go, I did a period where I had various Salsa tubs (peppers, onion, tomato) and corn chips (Kettle brand)

This was lunch and dinner for weeks. (with the odd day off)

It made the difference.

It came easy prolly cos I'd been annoyed at my weight, and i really "wanted" to shift it, knowing the results would happen eventually.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by dysfunction
Its not the NHS who have any responsibility for people being overweight or should have any obligation to educate people.

Why is that?

They will be the ones moaning about wasting tax payers money when they have to carry out a heart transplant on one of your fat children. They need to take responsibility to educate us and our children so that in 20 years time the waiting list hasn't doubled with fatties and smokers.

 

[L_Plates]

I would rather my tax when an op than on a doley that spends shit loads on beer and laugths at us for doing it :/

 

[leggy]

At the same time, I don't want to be at the back of an NHS queue behind Mcdonalds eating chubb0rs if I have cancer.

 

[L_Plates]

So i take it you have a hate for Big people ?

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by L_Plates
So i take it you have a hate for Big people ?

No, because I used to be one. I lost 5 stone with a little education. I just feel strongly about it.

 

[bids]

Originally posted by leggy
Why is that?

They will be the ones moaning about wasting tax payers money when they have to carry out a heart transplant on one of your fat children. They need to take responsibility to educate us and our children so that in 20 years time the waiting list hasn't doubled with fatties and smokers.

Should they be responsible for educating people on the dangers of sunbathing, unsafe sex, stress/mental health issues, pollution, sticking your fingers in a plug socket ? It should be the responsibility of some other (non-NHS) agency that doesn't pull funding from core NHS services (which isn't education). The NHS is underfunded enough without it being given even more 'responsibilities'. Dysfunction is closer to the mark in that it should be schools & parents who educate, and then refer to specialist care if things go pear-shaped.

 

[leggy]

Schools and parents?

They are the culprits for making the kids fat in the first place. Feeding them chips and burgers and the rest of the shit you see in school canteens. The line has to be drawn somewhere and someone has to take the initial responsibility. A body like the NHS would be a better solution.

 

[Ash!]

Originally posted by Any
Its not a generalisation when its true. If most of these people ate less and did some exercise then they wouldnt be fat. It is that simple.

I dont eat perfectly(a lot better than most fat people) but i do quite a lot of exercise. 6 months ago i had a bit of a gut, nothing much but i didnt want it. So i stopped eating take away 3 times a week and stopped drinking all fizzy drinks and spent at least 2 hours in the gym every other day. Suprise suprise im now a lot fitter and have lost my gut.

It is a generalisation when people cant control their eating habits due to some psycho or physiological problem. I am happy for you that you have found a way to help you control what you percieve to be a weight problem. Not everyone has the desire, inclination or application to goto the gym for 8 hours a week and cut out all the food they shouldnt eat.

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by leggy
No, because I used to be one. I lost 5 stone with a little education. I just feel strongly about it.

Ok i let you off.

But just remember not everyone has the same opinion as yourself. Some ppl are happy as they are.

If everyone ws the same life would be on boring place.

 

[bids]

Originally posted by leggy
Schools and parents?

They are the culprits for making the kids fat in the first place. Feeding them chips and burgers and the rest of the shit you see in school canteens. The line has to be drawn somewhere and someone has to take the initial responsibility. A body like the NHS would be a better solution.

So the schools and parents can ignore their responsibilities to the health of the children - surely the best way is to get the message across early in life, in school (as with sexual education), before the NHS has to pick up the pieces - don't get me wrong - I agree that education is the solution, but the NHS is not currently funded, skilled or strategically committed to do this - they have many other problems to deal with in delivering the services and constant political meddling.

 

[Any]

Originally posted by Ash!
It is a generalisation when people cant control their eating habits due to some psycho or physiological problem.

I cant remember the exact figure but there was a study that showed only 2%(about) of overweight people had a medical reason to be overweight.

Not everyone has the desire, inclination or application to goto the gym for 8 hours a week and cut out all the food they shouldnt eat.

If people know what causes them to be fat and continue to do it then what do i care? Let them eat themselves to death if they are happy doing it. But it is the only way to lose weight.

 

[leggy]

Originally posted by bids
So the schools and parents can ignore their responsibilities to the health of the children - surely the best way is to get the message across early in life, in school (as with sexual education), before the NHS has to pick up the pieces - don't get me wrong - I agree that education is the solution, but the NHS is not currently funded, skilled or strategically committed to do this - they have many other problems to deal with in delivering the services and constant political meddling.

I totally agree that they aren't funded well enough as it stands. But the parents and schools are already ignoring their responsibilies and adding to the current problem. Someone needs to help them first before they can help the kids they are responsible for.

An L_plates, I appreciate that some people are happy as they are, but the majority aren't. And let's face it, they may be happy now but they won't be in years to come when serious ilness sets in. Young children should at least have the choice not to end up fat and unhealthy. As it is they don't have this choice because they don't know any better.

 

[L_Plates]

Yes but humans are ignorant and if they dont want to learn they wont.

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I understand what you are getting at Leggy but i just think no matter how much the goverment put into a campaign it wont do alot of good.

Im sure it will help a few but most people will give up after a while. Sweets is the easiest thing to shut a crying kid up.

 

[leggy]

and whisky

 

[L_Plates]

Ah the good old trick of whisky

 

[sad_mung]

I've got a fat mate.
He had a "scare" a while ago. He vowed to change his ways, go to the gym etc...
It lasted two weeks.
How many scares will it take?

 

[L_Plates]

Many more by the sounds of it





ps: say Big or overweight fat is horrid :/

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Perhaps help should only be extended to children. I dont like the idea of people who genuinely need help suffering, but i think we waste enough money on the lazy and stupid as it is.

Maybe there should be a tax on fast food

 

[sad_mung]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
Maybe there should be a tax on fast food

Not a bad Idea. That way at least they can justify the healthcare costs.

But hang on! What about all these people with sexually Transmitted Diseases (STD)? These people just don't care about safe sex and are costing the NHS millions each year. We must therefore TAX SEX! That'll stop 'em.

 

[L_Plates]

That would be like hiring a prostitute

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Getting fat only hurts yourself, giving someone an STD is hurting someone else, they arent the same.

Whooo, a loophole!

 

[sad_mung]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
Getting fat only hurts yourself, giving someone an STD is hurting someone else, they arent the same.

Unless they fall on you, or they eat you.

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Flamin_Squirrel
Getting fat only hurts yourself, giving someone an STD is hurting someone else, they arent the same.

Whooo, a loophole!

And believe it or not ppl out there actually do that.

Do you remember the case of someone going round jabbing ppl with the HIV riddled shringe !

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

:help:

 

[rynnor]

I think that the NHS should raise the priority of obesity and devote more of its rescources to prevention through dietician/drugs and even simple advice - there are so many forms of advice on diet from so many different companies/organisations that its actually not that clear.

In the UK pretty much anybody can slap the word healthy on any product they like - many of these products contain colossal amounts of fats/sugars etc. etc.

Obesity will be a major cause of death from heart disease/ diabete's etc. in the future - the NHS could save a lot of money if it can tackle this cause - thats why they have to take responsibility.

Individuals are obviously responsible for their own health but the NHS is responsible for the health of the nation as a whole.

 

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Yes, when the money saved from prevention is greater than just keeping the gluttons alive it will be worth it.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by rynnor
IIn the UK pretty much anybody can slap the word healthy on any product they like - many of these products contain colossal amounts of fats/sugars etc. etc.

There was a segment on This Morning the other week, where they had a Which? tester in, talking about a range of foods labelled as healthy/beneficial, that they had tested. Only Flora came up with the goods, the rest were shite. Frosties was a good example. She also mentioned that they had complained to trading standards about some of the labels, and the manufacturers had been forced to change their packaging as a result.

Also, in the US, food containing Hydrogenated Vegetable Oils will have to be labelled as such from 2006, a move which will result in 'contains no hyd'vg'oils' labels becoming popular. Once that starts over there, it won't be long before we see it on our shelves.

 

[dysfunction]

Originally posted by leggy
Why is that?

They will be the ones moaning about wasting tax payers money when they have to carry out a heart transplant on one of your fat children. They need to take responsibility to educate us and our children so that in 20 years time the waiting list hasn't doubled with fatties and smokers.

Well here you have just answered your own question which is what I was getting at...

Originally posted by leggy
Schools and parents?

They are the culprits for making the kids fat in the first place. Feeding them chips and burgers and the rest of the shit you see in school canteens. The line has to be drawn somewhere and someone has to take the initial responsibility.

Its the parents and the Schools that need to stop feeding their children chips and burgers all day. The NHS can spend(waste) money on Adverts and leaflets but its really up to the parents to control their own children.

Why does it have to be the government that does this???