NGUK : The bigger picture.

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SAS

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Originally posted by SomeGuy
Makes me wonder if EB are purposely holding back on introducing charges for using BW until the competition has wiped itself out.

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Posted by D R E ad
Yeah, thats what i was thinking. Very likely imo.
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D R E ad wrong. The fact is things take time. You could not expect EB to take over and a few days later make changes? EB want to keep BW the way it is as much as possible, because they are a games company and know the vaule of the players. Yes they maybe corporate, but most of them are human and have entered the company via their love of games.

The other GSPs dying is pure chance. NGUK without a second round of funding was bound to go at some point. Expect gamesinferno to do the same...

Jolt has Nildram to back it so it will be ok, and ByGames is on the horizon, again with telewest backing it.
 
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Ono

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My overall feeling about the whole GSP situation is that companies are going to start having to look at Consolidation. Not just between different GSPs, but also between GSPs, Telcos and Game publishers even!


Just imagine if ,say, BW were to team up with NTL (we will ignore BT here) and also bring in Electronic Arts. The synergy between each of their businesses would be ideal and possibly encourage more people online to make running a GSP viable.
 
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old.r1cko

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Jolt and Blueyonder are in good positions and wont likely go away imho because firstly they're sitting on ISP networks, I bet the gameservers at BY use such a tiny percent of BY's overall traffic same with Jolt I assume. Secondly, an ISP having a large set of game servers is appealing to customers. Especially for blueyonder, super low cablemodem pings over their own network to their game servers, heaven for gamers.

I was very skeptical of NGUK from the start when they offered 0800, everyone knows that 0800 companies are up and down more than a ho's panties. And as we saw that service was disolved. Their business plan obviously hasnt succeeded, otherwise the head boys wouldnt have changed things to make the staff leave. Whose fault is that? NGUK's fault for not properly planning.
 
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old.D R E ad

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Originally posted by SomeGuy




I think the point Stu was making is that large companies are often happy to spend a little of their vast capital to invest in something that might make them money in the future.

I worked for a large company that bought two smaller, failing companies, injected them both with cash and basically said "Right, carry on as normal. One day we'll get round to thinking about how we can make money out of you."

EB (although not what I'd call a large company) would seem to have done this with BW. Eventually we might start noticing some changes. I, for one, am happy for them to take as long as they like. Plus another year or two.
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ARRRGGGGHHH! go back and read what I said after! I hate repeating myself again, but he did not quote the whole paragrah...

You could be right mind, but I doubt it. No company in thier right mind would invest so much money in something without having some idea of what they were going/could to do with it. Oh, hang on... Gameplay and BT did with loads of stuff and that why they are virtually bust . Sorry Stu- mate, I mentioned BT again
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I'm sorry if you have not grasped the concept of sarcasm yet, but its not that hard.

Doh.
 
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stu

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dread, give up, you're just making yourself look like (more of) a prat.
 
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old.D R E ad

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Originally posted by Stu-
What the fuck is up with you son? I mean really. You must be incredibly insecure, you seem to think anyone who disagrees with you wants to kill your family, trash your car, burn your house down and fuck your dog.


Get a hold on that paranoia eh?
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What the fuck is up with you more like. I never said anything about killing my family. It's not paranoia, its obvious you have an attitude problem. So why don't you just quit with the shit mate. Stop with the patronising "son" crap as well. You are acting like a child. Try reading what people wright before you attack them. If you have problems understanding things just tell me and I will draw you a little picture if you like.
 
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old.D R E ad

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Originally posted by Stu-
dread, give up, you're just making yourself look like (more of) a prat.
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Kettle. Pot. Black.

Fuck this shit. You are just a bunch nasty spiteful little kids. I'm off to somewhere a little more matture.

I have tried not get nasty but seeing as thats all you understand you can have a bit of your own medicine; Get the fuck out of my face you sad little moron. You need to get out more and make some real friends. But maybe thats your problem.

Sorry to anyone else reading this noncense but I have had enough of this prats insults.

Later.
 
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TedTheDog

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Gee that was fun

Online gaming in the UK is about to take a huge upturn. Right now it might look like an endangered species wandering around in small circles right next to a giant game reserve but it actually has a very bright future.

The old model, as we all know, was funded by indirect payment. Call minutes and advertising.

The new model will be funded by direct payment. The punter will pay directly for the services used. Most probably on a subscription model for all the usual basics, plus extra payments for things like private servers.
Just because I'm one of the founders of BarrysWorld doesnt mean I'm "in the know" now and am telling you company secrets. I'm telling you the obvious stuff (well, obvious to me anyway).
The irc chat BY had showed an element of "skirting the issue" when they were asked about subs, and that because GSP's are scared of their customers. Although no GSP out there is currently operating on a profitable model, they all have potentially profitable models waiting in the wings ready to unleash on the world in what will be a "new dawn" for online gaming in europe.

Oh, and its not just BW and BY. I personally know of 2 other GSP's preparing their stuff, 1 of them has a credible model, the other I know almost nothing about, other than it exists.

The next 6 months will be very interesting. Gone are the days where we spend £50 - £100 a week connecting to the internet to play games on otherwise free services. Broadband and surftime have finally given us a chance to control our connection charges (I'm well aware of the fact that neither are perfect, thats not the debate here).
Now the model is moving from paying to connect to the internet, to paying for the stuff you actually do once you're on the net instead. It wont be wild and uncontrolled like the previous model, it will be dominated by fixed price services where you'll still be able to control your costs.
There will be resistance to change. It human nature to resist change. The guy who asked the question about subscription in the BY irc chat is a good example when he stated. "tbh, if its >£5 you got no chance IMO"
You see, resistance. Its perfectly natural even if its pays no heed of the facts at all.

Anyway, the days where online gaming is properly funded are coming. Yes, you wont have access to large GSP's for free. But you will have access to even larger GSP's that have money to expand their services, money to offer prizes for leagues, money to spend on their infrastructure, money to make the gaming enviroment better than its ever been, and all at a far smaller cost than most of us are used to pay to get the same end result.
 
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stu

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Re: Gee that was fun

Originally posted by TedTheDog
The irc chat BY had showed an element of "skirting the issue" when they were asked about subs, and that because GSP's are scared of their customers. Although no GSP out there is currently operating on a profitable model, they all have potentially profitable models waiting in the wings ready to unleash on the world in what will be a "new dawn" for online gaming in europe.
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Proverbial nail hit right on the head there I think. GSPs have a theoretically profitable business model, but no-one wants to be the first to go out and say "we're now charging for our services" because their current 'customers' are likely to vote with their feet, as they're so used to getting things for free. As soon as one of them starts charging directly, and pulls it off, the rest will follow suit.
 
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DAN200

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OK, if you start changing could you at least wait a few years so i can leave home, get a job a afford to pay for it? Thanks. :) :)
 
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old.8_Ball

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Nice to see TTD still pottering around in the background, must piss you off though to see how childish most of these threads end up becoming.

I guess this time next year...free GSP's will be a thing of the past. There will always be the odd private servers thrown up ofcourse but GSP's that make money will re-invest that back into the service, which is only a good thing for the consumer.

LOL, it may even turn professional...clans start getting sponsored...advertising logo's on skins...leagues get sponsored...huge prize money...clans start having managers..players start getting agents... and we all turn into big noncy football players who write a book spilling the beans on life inside a Div 1 clan....revelations of bots, asus walls hacks, irc arguments, someone called the admin a twat and they weren't in teamtalk. Then ofcourse there's the tabloid websites with their exclusives....."Top RA2 player in 'do you wanna cyber' shocker"

Hee hee, highly unlikely but it would be funny :)
 
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old.shazbot

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I think people should seek to find the "true facts" before they go spouting off their crap basically. Stu your atitude totally sucks, I think you just like being nasty towards people. Mystic G you only hate NGUK because it did better than you wanted it to. You never had anything to do with NGUK nor did you ever lose anything because of it. You have no knowledge what it was like adminning for them. So let me tell you how it was.
We were only little when we first went for it, Topbanana, Malice, Chaser and Lawman worked hard, manually setting up the servers themeselves. A lot of excitement and hardwork and sweat went into it. Gradually it became a little bit bigger until the servers were becoming full and queues to get in longer. The guys provided more and more and put up mods for half life and other games servers what everyone wanted. They requested, they got. Every day they were in irc to answer questions and help whenever possible, they then bought out a dialup which was taken from them shortly afterwards ( not their choice). Seems like they were guinea pigs to test out this dialup. And despite all the name calling, slagging off and tantrumming a lot of people did, they battled on, putting up with long working hours, coding and making changes for the various mods. They even helped people making mods that were turned down elsewhere to put up servers for them. All I can say because I don`t know what went on, is that they slogged their guts out and then walked out, it must have been something extremely bad that happened for them to walk out, don`t you think? It is now up to the suits at NGUK to decide what happens to these servers and no longer anything to do with Topbanana, Malice, Lawman and chaser.
They provided a FREE service, one of the last ones and all you did was moan about a space being in front of the tribes2 servers, and. And inspite any of us explaining things you still go on and on about it. The way I see it you complained because you lost out, well its a dog eat dog world out there, even if we are all gamers.
Last time I am ever going to post in these forums, because I really do not like the nasty spiteful attitude of some of the people around here, who love nothing more than to comment about things of which they do not know.

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You only lost what you couldn`t do right yourselves.
And I wouldn`t count your chickens cos they WILL be back.
 
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Embattle

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Originally posted by shazbot
well its a dog eat dog world out there
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You're right....dog won't be back for a while now nguk has been eaten :p
 
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MYstIC G

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Originally posted by shazbot
Mystic G you only hate NGUK because it did better than you wanted it to. You never had anything to do with NGUK nor did you ever lose anything because of it. You have no knowledge what it was like adminning for them. So let me tell you how it was.
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Up until now shazzy I though you were an ok kind of person but now here is how its going to work
  1. Don't ever tell me what I do or don't feel because you know FUCK ALL. I've said repeatedly that it was the people running NGUK lamley that I disliked, not the service itself. I have no vested interest in any GSP, its not like any of them pay my wages so whatever happens to them concerns me not.
  2. When the NGUK forums were fucked the other day who came and told you about it..... thats right ME. If I hated NGUK so badly why would I have done this..... Can't answer that one can you, so I will. Now that TopWanker is gone I'd be more than happy to see NGUK do as well as it can because hopefully now it won't be run by a cunt. The same applies for Jolt & the new BY Games service, the more there are the better for me as I don't care where I play.
  3. What got lost exactly? If BW went down the same lame avenue as NGUK since BW hosts the european T2 master they probably could have just filtered out NGUK just like NGUK used to filter out the word BarrysWorld on their forums.
  4. They'll be back will they? Well personally I couldn't give a shit what TopWanker does, hopefully he'll be happy because remember
    <TopBanana> HashNET is mine. And it will remain.
    <TopBanana> I'll have new hosting sorted by tomorrow afternoon. Don't worry about it.
    <TopBanana> Anything *we* own and have supported we will continue.
    <TopBanana> HashNET is mine.
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    and every 2 year old needs a toy to play with
    [/list=1]Shame you had to become just like him Shazzy, I actually thought quite highly of you up until now.....

    figures
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MYstIC G

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oh btw I'd just like to point out that if you'd notice here on BW we actually are the only other GSP with a discussion concerning the future of NGUK. Can't say i've found any similar threads anywhere else.....
 
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old.[NC]Sturty

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Originally posted by MYstIC G
Up until now shazzy I though you were an ok kind of person but now here is how its going to work
  1. Don't ever tell me what I do or don't feel because you know FUCK ALL. I've said repeatedly that it was the people running NGUK lamley that I disliked, not the service itself. I have no vested interest in any GSP, its not like any of them pay my wages so whatever happens to them concerns me not.
  2. When the NGUK forums were fucked the other day who came and told you about it..... thats right ME. If I hated NGUK so badly why would I have done this..... Can't answer that one can you, so I will. Now that TopWanker is gone I'd be more than happy to see NGUK do as well as it can because hopefully now it won't be run by a cunt. The same applies for Jolt & the new BY Games service, the more there are the better for me as I don't care where I play.
  3. What got lost exactly? If BW went down the same lame avenue as NGUK since BW hosts the european T2 master they probably could have just filtered out NGUK just like NGUK used to filter out the word BarrysWorld on their forums.
  4. They'll be back will they? Well personally I couldn't give a shit what TopWanker does, hopefully he'll be happy because remember and every 2 year old needs a toy to play with
    [/list=1]Shame you had to become just like him Shazzy, I actually thought quite highly of you up until now.....

    figures
    :cowsleep:
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  1. </tantrum>
 
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Wazzerphuk

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My observations in this thread, and opinions. Paying large GSPs to play on their servers isn't ideal. Provided the fee isn't ridiculous, I'll have no problem with it at all. It should also get rid of a lot of the 12 year old lamers who just act like total tits on public servers and those who intentionally go on just to wind people up.

As per usual, Stu's confrontational attitude has shone through regardless and what could have been an interesting discussion here was soon turned into a small flame war. Sigh. Was there any need to act like you did to him? No. I hate NGUK as a company and their services probably more than anyone, they're dire... but there is still no need to be so damn arrogant to someone who's clearly tried his best to get along with people here.
 
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Ch3tan

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D R E ad was villified for no reason Stu-, he's not glynners and niether is any other new poster who comes here. Mis-quoting and mis representing someone to get a cheap pop is very low.

You realise you have only made your self look bad? Oh well I doubt you care. yet another thread turns into a ponitless flame war, getting sick of it.

Bring back the pointless spamming at least that was mainly harmless.
 
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stu

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oh fuck off. "misquoting and misrepresenting" what the fuck are you on about? I tried to have a perfectly sensible conversation with the lad and he went mental. He blathered some shite about how BT were a major factor for NGUK going down, and when I disagreed he decided to take it as something "personal".

You're right about one thing though. I truly do not care if you think I made myself "look bad".
 
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MYstIC G

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Back to the original topic if you please.....
Originally posted by D R E ad
Does anyone else here agree that UK online gaming is heading for a crisis?
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This time lets see if we can keep it on topic without another :firedevil
 
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old.BlissedUp

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I read somewhere yonks ago, PCZone I think, that Hasbro Interactive who pull the strings at Sierra wanted to start charging GSP's for any port running Hasbro games. I guess it would take time to implement but if this were to happen, all GSP's would start charging for access and wouldn't risk alienating their customers because, I guess, every other GSP would be forced into doing it too.

Lots of software manufacturers are pissed that they only get income when a new product is released and would prefer to get a steady stream of income like most businesses. One way to achieve this is to stop customers ever 'owning' the software in the sense that you subscribe monthly to use it. Microsoft and all that .NET nonsense is a good example. So whether we like it or not, I guess it's going to happen with good and bad results. The cost of gaming would go up but somewhere, I hope, all the companies involved, BW, BT, ntl, Hasbro for example would be more inclined and hopefully legally bound to ensure a better service, including admins on all ports etc to kick the fecking cheats asap.

The outlook is mainly sunny with rain in parts so long as you've got the money honey :D
 
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