NF inc. Need a new alarmclock debate?

[Vaar]

The "no relicraid in off peak hours", is AFTER ALL (leave it at that plz) a consensus on our server.

But with NF things are bound to change in dynamics. We prolly will get the "take-three-keeps-patch" from what I understand.

I have some limited experience from playing US. In short, keepfights may (tend) to drag out quite a bit. If the battle is raging, trebs are up, zerg is big.. I suspect it to be hard to stop because RL-clock dings 00.00 Gmt (or whatever).

However:
Would it be "valuable" for our server to pursue an "agreement" of not STARTING to capture any of the strategic keeps in off-peak?

Insights?

 

[gravedigger]

good question lol

but there will be always peeps who will do alarmclock keeptakes (always have been) :touch:

 

[Phule_Gubben]

yes plz. make an agreement that 5% of the whole server population agrees or even see. good idea NOT!

 

[Matmardigan]

Think it will be that albs gets the relics at primetime and mids come and take em at 4-5am when albs are sleeping because they have an real life. Then when all albs r back from work at ca 17-18pm they will get em again and mids again at 4-5am. And hibs hmm dunno maybe 20 minutes long if mid zerg isnt big.

it can be that im wrong

 

[Vaar]

Gravedigger...

Y-E-S. There always will be But from what I have seen on my trips to US, a small group CAN defend against numerous attackers. I was in 2 (pickup) FG holding back a 4 FG keepattack for 3 hours... So it is "easier" to defend against small AC-raids.

-> You "need" a bigger AC-raid to make it sucsessful (from my experience).

IF we get a "agreement" that this shall NOT be the norm. Many may avoid such raids, and the "few" who does "play only for relics" CAN be held back... Sometimes...

IF however a keep (of the 3) IS definatly captured in off peak hours. Feel free to take it back The discussions in this forum will again consist of something other that gratz-threads

 

[Thorwyn]

It doesn´t help anyone when we agree on a no-alarmclock-raid consensus and some people from the other side of the fence don´t give a damn and do it anyways, resulting in an advantage for the entire realm despite all the "oh, but I wasn´t there and would never do that" zealots. As gravedigger said: some will always ride the THIS IS A 24/7 GAME AND I DO WHATEVER I WANT wagon. And this is true for all three realms. As I see it, inter realm agreements are only fuel for flames. Look at the pathetic discussions about what prime time actually is. People were seriously arguing about 1 hour or came up with different timezones and summertime and weekend/school holydays etc.etc.etc.
Not attacking other realms at 3AM in the morning should be a result of common sense because it´s boring and doesn´t require any skill. But just like killing grey cons in DF, people keep doing it if they want to and it´s their choice, their playtime, their right. You can´t fix this via some sort of agreement.

 

[Archeon]

Agree with Phule, agreements between realms are like the majority of people's sense of honour.

Only in effect when it suits them. (Hyper l33t soloer will cry 'Lame' when people add on his duels, but will in turn add on other people using the original adding as an excuse)


For example:
say Albion has all the relics.
Midgard does an early morning RR
Albion claims lameness, Mid says it all 24/7
Albion does an early morning RR
Midgard claims lameness, Albs say its all 24/7
Hibs are still sitting with the stick up their ass moaning about how they've got l33t skillz because they don't do early morning RR's - but we should all run in 1fg so they can farm us easier.

In any case, there's never been an agreement as such. Thats just a fabrication of peoples imaginations to use as ammo when sombody does RR 'off-peak' (afterall why just call sombody lame? When you could accuse them of breaking 'teh agreement' as well )

Never going to happen, so can we finally throw it aside? Personally I won't join any RR I have to wake up for, I know a sizable portion of Mids are the same. Not because we 'honour' the other side, but because we're just too lazy.

 

[Vaar]

yes plz. make an agreement that 5% of the whole server population agrees or even see. good idea NOT!

You wan't a free for all? In US that is a big part of what caused the 76% alb relics imbalancing. Numbers...

And to point this out... I only ask IF it would be a sensible way to approch the zergyness that is NF (still very fun though). PERSONALLY I tend to belive so, but I'am ready to be convinced otherwise

 

[Phule_Gubben]

Mythic want this to be a warfare show on the road so why disapoint them? If the server is stable enough to handle 3-400 ppl in one zone i think it will be lots of fun. just my opinion thou.

 

[Skilgannon]

and the "few" who does "play only for relics" CAN be held back... Sometimes...

as in the whole of Midgard?

 

[Vaar]

The lag is going to annoy you to death Phule I for one place my money on that GOA is not going to have much better servers to handle the stress than Mythic.

150 ppl in the same frontier was more or less the limit of playabillity on Merlin. But yes. The huge fights are quite interesting, in a "slow" way...

Archeon... One of the "biggest" diffrences with OF and NF AC-raids, is that presently you CAN get relics in 36 minutes. (or give a powerrelic to albs, lol)THIS IS NOT possible in NF. Better time to react, easy to slow down the attackforce, instant reinforcements, the need of taking 3 keeps... AC-raids IS "harder" to pull off...

Relics in US (1.70) seldom changed hand in ONE sitting in front of the computer (never? If I remember correct HIBS on Nimue was close, but nm). You have to establish foothold, claim the nessecery keeps (even a undefended keep takes quite some time) and THEN the easy part. Going to collect your relic (with all three realms aiming for the relicgate).

I must say I am VERY uncertain of how the Excal tide will turn. And limiting other paying customers "playstyle" (lol) is THE dilemma here...

 

[Painbringer]

Tbh we don't need an agreement, the relic keeps wont have less guards after taking keeps in NF like they do atm so an alarm clock raid would need a big zerg still

 

[Glottis]

No agreement.
Retarded, lame Midgard will break it time and time again anyway, so why bother?
Albs will take relics prime time, and Mids will take it off peak due to population imbalances and other lies.
I really doubt Albion will dominate the server once NF hits, mainly cause Midgard has so many 24/7 players. Albion is more casual.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Angara]

No agreement.
Retarded, lame Midgard will break it time and time again anyway, so why bother?
Albs will take relics prime time, and Mids will take it off peak due to population imbalances and other lies.
I really doubt Albion will dominate the server once NF hits, mainly cause Midgard has so many 24/7 players. Albion is more casual.
Regards, Glottis

How do you sleep at night? Such anger and frustrations in this post lol

 

[Herjulf]

Think it will be that albs gets the relics at primetime and mids come and take em at 4-5am when albs are sleeping because they have an real life. Then when all albs r back from work at ca 17-18pm they will get em again and mids again at 4-5am. And hibs hmm dunno maybe 20 minutes long if mid zerg isnt big.

it can be that im wrong

its albs take em in a "exploit" like fashion so noone notices anything. Using combinations of paladin and minstrel/infiltrator scaling walls and logout tactics.
Then mids taking relics in almost as lame tactics by taking em back in the morning at 0800 cet.

I think alb have only done ONE straight forwards relic raid in history of english euro daoc.
By simply zerging mjollner with several CG´s of ppl. Which is prefectly fine.
(wont work now though as server crashes if it is attempted).

Hibs.. think hib has a pretty good record of relicraids.
Dunno about in the future as alot of ppl have migrated to hib to try to make fotm grps. = the turds follows.

 

[Skilgannon]

I think alb have only done ONE straight forwards relic raid in history of english euro daoc.

And I was on at least 4 of the ONE.

 

[TunFiskeMad]

Well it is a 24/7 game and some ppl might work in odd hours or just dont so why not let them have some fun when they want .... kinda like u HAVE to run 1 fg and u HAVE to only 1 stealther - i just cant understand that but okies if u ppl feel fine about making rules about how the game should be played have fun with thats, but dont expect everyone else to follow them.

 

[majik]

Just tell us mids a time that you'd like us to attack you relics keeps so that you can prepare your 400 alb defense cg's etc and we'll get back to you k?

 

[Vaar]

No agreement.
I really doubt Albion will dominate the server once NF hits, mainly cause Midgard has so many 24/7 players. Albion is more casual.
Regards, Glottis

*Yes I left out the lame parts...

Actually I belive that you MAY be right. HOWEVER I do not understad why ALBS (which NEVER EVER AC-Raids anyway) should oppose such an agreement. But then Alb logic often seem to elude me...

Seccondly from US, relic control is determined by the realm abillity to rally the useless casual players. The "winner" on Excal will be that one. Numbers really will count, more than some realise yet. I GUESS that albs may very well turn out the "victors" of 1.70, but it really comes down to the flow of the frontiers. Doubleteaming will prolly be the thing that cuts one realm down. Time will tell if it will be MidBernia, HibbIon or GOD FORBID AlbGard... LOL

Settle this case as a 24/7 free for all and point and laugh at ppl claiming otherwise

Not MY perferred outcome, but acceptable for me in it's own weird way.

I will however /tag this post and have the option of using it if Glottis or any others starts changing mind Don't saying that WILL be the case...

Thx for "insights"

"I disagree, but accept your conclusion... It is a human trait called wisdom, wich your kind is incapable of"

-Roger Wilco arguing with a stubborn robot who then jumps out of a window...

 

[Thorwyn]

Using combinations of paladin and minstrel/infiltrator scaling walls

Using paladins and minstrels/infiltrators is considered "exploit like fashion"?!

Logout raids are one thing... I agree that they are rather cheesy. But I still can´t see why NOT KILLING A MOB should be conisdered lame. But that´s OT and doesn´t belong here.... sorry.

 

[Maoni]

yes plz. make an agreement that 5% of the whole server population agrees or even see. good idea NOT!

but the 5% got friends who also has friends etc, i think it would be a good idea....IF ppl honoured such agreement too but...
I dont think its a realm specific behaviour but someone in whatever realm will do a alarmclockraid...its just a matter of time.

 

[Tay]

The "no relicraid in off peak hours", is AFTER ALL (leave it at that plz) a consensus on our server.

But with NF things are bound to change in dynamics. We prolly will get the "take-three-keeps-patch" from what I understand.

I have some limited experience from playing US. In short, keepfights may (tend) to drag out quite a bit. If the battle is raging, trebs are up, zerg is big.. I suspect it to be hard to stop because RL-clock dings 00.00 Gmt (or whatever).

However:
Would it be "valuable" for our server to pursue an "agreement" of not STARTING to capture any of the strategic keeps in off-peak?

Insights?

The game is a free for all.

Why try to enforce the unenforcable? you cant get 100% agreement. Therefore it means nothing,

 

[Vaar]

Pssst. Tay... Read thread

 

[Smilewhenyousaythat]

The "no relicraid in off peak hours", is AFTER ALL (leave it at that plz) a consensus on our server.
Insights?

Anyone want to explain to Ardamal what this means?

 

[Tay]

Pssst. Tay... Read thread

Actually I read your post and responded to it.

This has been discussed a million times yet somebody always comes back and posts it again.

THERE IS NO VALUE PURSUING ANY AGREEMENTS ABOUT KEEP TAKING IN AND OUT OF PRIME TIME.

That is the answer to your first question.

The answer to your second question is thus: Been there and seen it all before, its never worked. I personally would never agree to it.

 

[Vaar]

Settle this case as a 24/7 free for all and point and laugh at ppl claiming otherwise

Not MY perferred outcome, but acceptable for me in it's own weird way.

Heh. Tay. Did you read that part too. I asked for insights. I got some. I accept. WHAT THE HELL (you are using caps so then so can I) IS YOUR PROBLEM?????

My initial view. NF will change dyanmics, DO we need a new alarmclock debate? Consensus here is NO. OK, works for me... Ignorantly fighting for an bad cause is not my style. I leave that to others...

Is anything longer than a gratz thread to much reading for you???
Plz redirect me to a forum where I could get the community answer to such a question.

else...
/dismiss

 

[Dorin]

No agreement.
Retarded, lame Midgard will break it time and time again anyway, so why bother?
Albs will take relics prime time, and Mids will take it off peak due to population imbalances and other lies.
I really doubt Albion will dominate the server once NF hits, mainly cause Midgard has so many 24/7 players. Albion is more casual.
Regards, Glottis

haha xD do you talk to human beings irl on a regular basis ? ^^

 

[Killrake]

No agreement.
Retarded, lame Midgard will break it time and time again anyway, so why bother?
Albs will take relics prime time, and Mids will take it off peak due to population imbalances and other lies.
I really doubt Albion will dominate the server once NF hits, mainly cause Midgard has so many 24/7 players. Albion is more casual.
Regards, Glottis

And u will always be the same bitter person as ever, who comes to FH to cry and wajn, just like you always have done, some things never change......

 

[Fenrisa]

So, what are you calling Alarm clock raids. As I played my whole daoc life on the US servers, the alarm clock raids for the US people was at 12:00 my time. As I do love to take a long nap, I can't really say 12:00 is alarm clock for me.

I do think people with other job schedules sometimes wants to be able to take relics as everyone else does. And having an agreement on times is just bull shit to me. As well you can just say, no RR when I am at work, because I want to be able to defend, involve, help. Even better lets change it to, post on this board before you leave and ask if I am online to defend. It's just not possible to have such an agreement. The element of suprise is what it makes a succesfull RR or a failure. Bringing the largest force won't be enough anymore.

I haven't been involved in any RR here on excalibur yet (only defend), but I did like all the planning we had on US servers, thinking out new tactics has been always a favorite thing of me.

Fenrisa

 

[Clipse]

If Midgard wanna set their alarms for 4 am to raid a virtual relic, fookit let them. Then we can all laugh at them.