NF good and bad thing's !

[Novac]

Good

- Keep's, Tower's, Bridge's look really nice
- RA's are cool being on a 3-15 min timer
- Porting from a stone fast to keep's
- No longer need to wait for the porting guy Visur and whatever mid's/hib's have

Bad

- Gettin around NF if u dont own a keep in mid/hib is bad... porting to keep, taking a boat. takes 10 min
- There should be a poison merchant in borderkeep's if there isnt one ( not sure lol ) well anyway, i find it stupid to go toa always to get some waterbreathing poison. other poison merchants in SI / Classic zones should sell them also.
- Scouts RA Trueshot not working in DF ! BAD Volley wont work also.. but i dont mind about that so much. would suck for people u can shoot their bots in DF
- This isnt about NF... but bots on gorre. bad, bad, bad hehe

What u think is bad about NF and good ? discuss !

EDIT: other good thing is that the porting Djinni's in toa now port u to SI, and housing also

 

[fortunefish]

sorry!


was whine so i edited it out

good -

errm maze

bad-

unballenced atm but dont u worry goa WILL make that worse

 

[Evergrey]

Good



Bad
- This isnt about NF... but bots on gorre. bad, bad, bad hehe

And why is it so bad with a bot? (even if its a test server - and they raised the capacity to 2k now), tbh i havent met an unbuffed target myself when running around in DF/NF .. and besides i pay for 2 accounts...

ppl who whine about BB´s doesnt got one themself or CBA to lvl or whatever,

 

[fortunefish]

Hahahaha Elf :d

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

And why is it so bad with a bot? (even if its a test server - and they raised the capacity to 2k now), tbh i havent met an unbuffed target myself when running around in DF/NF .. and besides i pay for 2 accounts...

ppl who whine about BB´s doesnt got one themself or CBA to lvl or whatever,

moron ...


useing a BB on a test server is just plain stupid.
The test server is to get peeps just to use the game and see what happens.
GoA have given us the gold and glory , the chests , and as many seals that would make all the greddy d0rfs cry. yet this isn't good enough for some peeps.


"I can't wtfpwnz0r all the no skillz players without my b00fs .. giv imo" uke:


Play the game like it was mean to be played.

the worst thing when NF does go live will be the amount of peeps ( mostly stealthers) who get b00fed then run around in a ickle zerg ( not that it is different from what's happening atm on the normal servers). I dont' like using a BB , i prefer to use what my class has to it's best ability, sure i'll use b00fs , if i'm grpd with a cleric/friar or whatever.

my scout i've solo'd usualy not using a BB and i've gotten RR3 and he isn't even 50 yet.

anyone who uses a BB just to wtfpwn is a no skillz player .
those who use one so they can compete now that everone and thier dog has a BB aren't as bad but still it's the way of the game, bb's are part of it.
I have to accept this, doesn't mean that i HAVE to use one. it helps sure but i'll continue to traps around with my friar with only his b00fs , or my scout with no b00fs and play the game to the best i can, no the best i can with b00f bot b00fs.


/ends rant

 

[Evergrey]

moron ...


useing a BB on a test server is just plain stupid.
The test server is to get peeps just to use the game and see what happens.
GoA have given us the gold and glory , the chests , and as many seals that would make all the greddy d0rfs cry. yet this isn't good enough for some peeps.


"I can't wtfpwnz0r all the no skillz players without my b00fs .. giv imo" uke:


Play the game like it was mean to be played.

the worst thing when NF does go live will be the amount of peeps ( mostly stealthers) who get b00fed then run around in a ickle zerg ( not that it is different from what's happening atm on the normal servers). I dont' like using a BB , i prefer to use what my class has to it's best ability, sure i'll use b00fs , if i'm grpd with a cleric/friar or whatever.

my scout i've solo'd usualy not using a BB and i've gotten RR3 and he isn't even 50 yet.

anyone who uses a BB just to wtfpwn is a no skillz player .
those who use one so they can compete now that everone and thier dog has a BB aren't as bad but still it's the way of the game, bb's are part of it.
I have to accept this, doesn't mean that i HAVE to use one. it helps sure but i'll continue to traps around with my friar with only his b00fs , or my scout with no b00fs and play the game to the best i can, no the best i can with b00f bot b00fs.


/ends rant

I only played for 2 days on the test server, and i have had my BB loged in to see if the /Clientsleep mode work as intended (wich it didnt atleast not for me) ehhh?...

and thnx for calling me a moron

 

[Novac]

And why is it so bad with a bot? (even if its a test server - and they raised the capacity to 2k now), tbh i havent met an unbuffed target myself when running around in DF/NF .. and besides i pay for 2 accounts...

ppl who whine about BB´s doesnt got one themself or CBA to lvl or whatever,

I have abot acc, i have lvl'ed a cleric with my necro on excal. i just see it stupid sometimes trying to get in gorre and its full. cause there are loads of bots. but i dont mind so much now that they moved the cap to 2000.

 

[Araudry]

Good

- new gfx

Bad

- lots of bug
- keep take never stop ppl use teleport and get back once released after 1 min so it never stop
- OP oil rofl
- OP archers
- sucky ras some rr5 ras totally OP and rest is a joke
- fucking water with ppl abusing div bug so u have to div or he isnt in view
- getting to emain with boat once u get there u get insta killed by 200 shrooms
- and a lot more

 

[Lendan]

- Gettin around NF if u dont own a keep in mid/hib is bad... porting to keep, taking a boat. takes 10 min
- There should be a poison merchant in borderkeep's if there isnt one ( not sure lol ) well anyway, i find it stupid to go toa always to get some waterbreathing poison. other poison merchants in SI / Classic zones should sell them also.

- 10 minutes? Seems much faster than that - depends where you're going from -> to. Are you taking a warship and sailing it with only 4 on board?! (Seriously though I once sailed a warship with 8 on it inter-realm and it took fooking ages )

Anyway beats sitting on the pad by miles - you might get mugged at the dock, and you have to carefully watch map to see where it's safe to /disembark - so even if it is roughly the same time to "port" it's not such a passive experience.

- As for water breathing potions you should visit the little villages beside the relic temples - they're shown on the map - they sell pretty much everything there and although you have to walk to them they have a telport stone in them for when you're done and want to leave.

This is also where you can buy ready made ammo for field catapults - greek fire, ice ball thingies etc. You can also get tools here if the fate of your realm hinges on your having a sewing kit to make your ram! You can also find the more expensive wood boards - useful for carrying around for repairs. And finally there's a full set of trainers so you can spend your RA points.

Another handy hint if you're far from the relic village and you need a water pot fast, is go into the nearest upgraded tower or keep (inside the inner keep) there just hold shift and right click and press hookpoints. Look for a dark blue circle and you can buy a bounty merchant who sells nice water breath pots as well as healing, power and endurance ones - handy as there's no high level alchemists on Gorre.

You can also buy a hastener and other stuff at these hookpoints so have a look. (Don't buy the healer though - I hate it when I see that hookpoint wasted - it's an npc that cures non rvr rez sick only and restores constitution from non rvr deaths - don't confuse with cleric / druid / mid healer guards from red hookpoints)

 

[Lendan]

- getting to emain with boat once u get there u get insta killed by 200 shrooms

lol I did this once just to try it - hid them underneath the water so the landing spot looked innocent enough - peed myself laughing for ages - then got killed by a scout and a theurg Shrooms only have 1000 range

 

[Daedalus]

(Don't buy the healer though - I hate it when I see that hookpoint wasted - it's an npc that cures non rvr rez sick only and restores constitution from non rvr deaths - don't confuse with cleric / druid / mid healer guards from red hookpoints)

That's a very valid point, every keep I've been to had a healer NPC.

 

[Lendan]

That's a very valid point, every keep I've been to had a healer NPC.

It's good if you're a complete idiot and keep falling to your death off the top of keeps though ^^ (Not that I've ever done that or anything

 

[Daedalus]

*blush*
I once did that, heh. Got shot to 3% life by some archer, looked for cover but fell off.

 

[Chesnox]

Apart from the towns near relic keeps, water pots can also be bought in main cities, from the same NPC that sells boat paint and fancy bowsprits (which I havn't found a use for yet). Deffo found one of these NPCS in Camelot and TNN, didn't check out Jordheim or the SI cities for each realm though. So no need to go to ToA, although this won't be a problem when NF goes live tbh, since we'll all be using crafted pots rather than ghetto pots anyway.

Agree though that they should sell arrows, poisons and water pots in the NF zones.

 

[Novac]

Thx for nice reply's witht he water pots meights ! :worthy:

 

[Andrilyn]

Good:
- Loads of keep sieges (love those).
- Nice layout with some keeps surrounded by water and others inside a forest etc.
- The upgraded keeps that actually get bigger when upgraded.

Bad:
- Walking to Emain and getting killed by 200 albs (in conjuction with point 2).
- Having to walk all the way from Ailline to crauchon just because someone took 1 outpost so you can't port and the closest port available is Ailinne...
- Lag on Gorre during primetime (hope this changes when NF gets released on the real servers).

By the way bit offtopic but does anyone know what if precaching(sp?) skins makes you lag more or less?

 

[Andrilyn]

Agree though that they should sell arrows, poisons and water pots in the NF zones.

Go to an outpost or center keep and shift + right(or left forgot which) click and assign hookpoints then when theres a blue hookpoint (mostly on the bottom floor) buy a poison or arrow merchant and you got your merchant.

 

[Zebolt]

- This isnt about NF... but bots on gorre. bad, bad, bad

Why is that worse than having bots on normal servers now when they have raised the char cap?

 

[Daedalus]

Yeah, it's not FoTM anymore to whine about bots.

 

[Xplo]

can still get nice deathspam as an ice wiz w/o buffs xd

 

[Dwali]

moron ...


useing a BB on a test server is just plain stupid.
The test server is to get peeps just to use the game and see what happens.
GoA have given us the gold and glory , the chests , and as many seals that would make all the greddy d0rfs cry. yet this isn't good enough for some peeps.


"I can't wtfpwnz0r all the no skillz players without my b00fs .. giv imo" uke:


Play the game like it was mean to be played.

the worst thing when NF does go live will be the amount of peeps ( mostly stealthers) who get b00fed then run around in a ickle zerg ( not that it is different from what's happening atm on the normal servers). I dont' like using a BB , i prefer to use what my class has to it's best ability, sure i'll use b00fs , if i'm grpd with a cleric/friar or whatever.

my scout i've solo'd usualy not using a BB and i've gotten RR3 and he isn't even 50 yet.

anyone who uses a BB just to wtfpwn is a no skillz player .
those who use one so they can compete now that everone and thier dog has a BB aren't as bad but still it's the way of the game, bb's are part of it.
I have to accept this, doesn't mean that i HAVE to use one. it helps sure but i'll continue to traps around with my friar with only his b00fs , or my scout with no b00fs and play the game to the best i can, no the best i can with b00f bot b00fs.


/ends rant

agree to that...test server...why bring bbs...if they can´t play without 1 don´t play at all i say......
i only use buffs on my hero/ns on pryd when i go PvE....wich helps alot that u can chain faster when u kill faster

 

[Raes]

When i logged in at a keep that Mids had taken, i was teleported to a village next to Dagda, it had all the Merchants you need and a Teleport Stone.

 

[Painbringer]

buffbots in RvR suck as 99% of those that use em for RvR have no skill so they can't play without em to make em overpowered and cast at the fastest casting cap for example. I do have a BB but i don't use it for RvR, only when im levelling one of my low lvl chars to exp faster but i've now cancelled the subs on it coz it's just not worth the extra cash every month being sucked from my bank. The bonuses a BB brings to RVR is sick and needs nerfing to make RvR fun again for those that aren't rich and can't afford a BB account, alot of my in game m8s can't afford a BB. To get back on topic NF will be more fun for the casual gamer than RvR is atm, but the BB virus that plagues RvR will still be present there too and soon enough the fun will get sucked back out of it when the overpowered skillless BB abusers take over

 

[Vindicator]

Agree about the Buffbot issue. Could have made 1 on Gorre if I choose but I decided I wouldnt be a complete **** and stop 1 other person from enjoying the NF beta test all in a vain attempt to make my self perform 50% better and give my self a false sense of being a better player regardless if I look to see if my victims had buffs or not.

There's 2 types of people who have the kind of mentality to use a BB on a normal server.

- Highly Motivated, Highly Charged ppl who will do whatever it takes to win including making sure they have all the advantages to be on a level playing field.

- The people who cover up there lack of understanding anything about what there doing or playing by being Buffed Verus unbuffed people and simply ignoring the fact they were buffless and then being convinced they are simply a better player.

On a test server however type 1, the motivated person. Will not stay long, They may spend a day or 2 on the test server possibly with there bot or not. They will generally be more interested in how they bot will work in nf < client sleep> but thats a minor issue, testing other class's and seeing how NF holds up to the lag is the main 1 that you must deduce. They are 2 motivated / charged to care about some test server were at the end it means nothing so they will retreat to there normal server to do what matters in there own mind while possibly returning to the test server from time to time.

The type 2, no-confidence slow minded fool. Will log both accounts on immediately and procceed to role the most fotm class they can get there hands on < archer in this case or some self debuff class> and then tweak the shit out of there armor, buff them selfs to tits and procceed to go out and try pwn stuff. Failing on many occasion's because they are simply 2 dim to realise they cant solo a zerg or 2 archers > them.


Any who.....

Good Things About NF:

- Keep sieges are Fun again \o/
- Catapults / trebs etc all rock so much, kinda related to point 1 but eh.
- Porting System so your never far from action and the battle updates
- Under water fighting = Funnz! xD
- Ruined City / keep in forest / keep on large hill = excellent and different

Bad things about NF:

- Too many keep sieges, sure a few are fun but not 24/7 : /
- Oil at keeps / towers is stupidly overpowered. 1.71 hope its enough of a dmg reduction.
- the fact that when 1/2 guards is killed on a tower it lights it up. could be a solo'er passing by or 2 guys. Hardly deserves all the attention it gets. Usually 10-20 ppl porting to keep near it and rushing to tower. Been on both ends of that.
- Hastners at ever keep no matter level and regardless of somebody using a hook point to buy 1
- New Rezz sickness sucks, it really blows if you happen to get 2. It not only lowers damage but makes you slow that if you happen to be only 1 in grp its like a skald has snared you or sumit, you've gotta drive to safety. This doesnt concern bb players ofc because they spend enough time releasing then mashing 1-10 on buff page xD.
- Dock Area's. They just didnt make them stealther proof which tbh they need to. Sure assasins cant get you but Archers can take out 1 /2 peeps then vanish into thin air via the water trick unless a pet is involved.

 

[nOmoreCOAL]

NF brings rvr 2 a different lvl!!!! Lots of cool stuff!!!! Fast play even solo play in a keep siege w any char (siege machines)!!!!

On the other hand gorre showed how can ppl get sooooooooo retarded by campin docks hidin inside boats or steathed or waitin 4 ppl 2 disembark close 2 a keep n miss the real thing, the siege. That's the cowards' way.

Gorre showed also the need of real group not the FOTM insta 50 lvl up 2 play the game seriously. Except the need 2 stay away from retards lurkin in frontier keep sieges r a constant stalemate without a side winnin or lossin. DC was under siege for 5 days havin the outer wall completly destoyed without the doors bein seriously harm due 2 trebushets. Albs bein much more than hibs didnt try 2 enter n take the keep.

There should be a flame thread 2 all dock campers when nf comes in play.

 

[Jpeg[LOD]]

all my views of NF are good... apart from one. and thats the vastness of the rvr area. sure some may say thats a good thing.

but if u solo or in small grps. it will be tough to find decent fights unless u head to the hot spots to kill inc . but even then large grps will kill ya.

i mainly soloed on gorre. it was fun didnt have hardly any 1v1's . mostly fg's+ or zergs or small grps roaming around.

i do think NF caters for ALL rvr tastes (if figure out where to go n when). didnt test many chars. mainly tried friar/scout and a earth wiz , but on a whole im very happy and im looking forward to NF hiting live servers.

 

[Lendan]

- Oil at keeps / towers is stupidly overpowered. 1.71 hope its enough of a dmg reduction.

Why does everyone say this? I think people are having a hard time of grasping the concept that you really must use siege equipment when taking a tower or keep.

Oil pots can be destroyed (I think it's ballistas that are best for this but not sure). Also if you are sitting on a ram then you take much less damage.

OK sometimes it's a pain to carry all the siege stuff around, but I think there are mini versions that can be made at high alchemy - which no one has on the test server - which weigh much less.

Oil is basically just there to force you to make an effort to get properly equipped. People who stand under the oil pot hitting the door with their swords and getting one shotted are missing the point!

Stop being lemmings people!

 

[Novac]

Why is that worse than having bots on normal servers now when they have raised the char cap?

And do u read at all ? already said ones it doesnt matter anymore that the cap is 2000 players now. but still i think sometimes its boring when the server is full and u know there are lots of buffbots lots.. i mean like 400-500 ? more ? well anyway lots

Bad

- Hate those keep siege's cause i dont know how to make those treb and other siege stuff... someone tell me ! xD

 

[Zebolt]

And do u read at all ?

Ofc I do, how would I be able to make a comment if I didn't read at all? I didn't read everything tho so missed when you said that, but still why mention in the starter post when the cap change had allready been done? But don't need another reply since I have read your later posts now, but still

 

[Novac]

Ofc I do, how would I be able to make a comment if I didn't read at all? I didn't read everything tho so missed when you said that, but still why mention in the starter post when the cap change had allready been done? But don't need another reply since I have read your later posts now, but still

Well cause it still sucks IF the server is full and u know lots of bots in it hehe but never seen the server full for more then a hour anymore... i wonder how long will gorre be ? hopefully we get NF to all servers next week