New server type for usa players
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LOL so Mythic have finally acknowledged that ToA was utter shite and that buffs without range were a problem.
This smacks of desperation, the game is dying fast and they know it. Too little, too late as always - I won't be renewing my accounts if this ever comes to Europe.
This smacks of desperation, the game is dying fast and they know it. Too little, too late as always - I won't be renewing my accounts if this ever comes to Europe.
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Mobius said:Yeah. Is it possible for GOA to let us know if Europe would get such a server? It'd be great to find out as soon as possible because its summer break now and I want to import a US copy if we aren't getting it.
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Might take a while though, knowing GoA.
This move was the result from a player poll, and thus the acknowledgement of the users, not Mythic itself.Celery said:
That's fine, you stay on in your McDonald's-packaged cartoon world while the rest of us continue enjoying the game with the best PvP concept ever.Celery said:
The fact that so many people wanted a no-ToA server should give Mythic a hint.
Would be better if they spent some time to balance some of the unbalanced ML/artifacts abilities, made MLs a little easier and increased droprate on some of the scrolls.
If we get a server like this though, i'm going to roll a valkyn hunter!
Loved mine in the BGs where bots were uncommon.
Would be better if they spent some time to balance some of the unbalanced ML/artifacts abilities, made MLs a little easier and increased droprate on some of the scrolls.
If we get a server like this though, i'm going to roll a valkyn hunter!
Loved mine in the BGs where bots were uncommon.
I'm guessing this creates somewhat of a dilemma for GOA.
If they don't make their own non-ToA server they will lose subscribers to Mythic.
If they make their own non-ToA server they will lose even more players from their regular servers.
Personally I would prefer to play on a GOA no-ToA server than on a Mythic no-ToA server.
Equally I would probably prefer to play on a Mythic No-ToA server than on a GOA regular server.
My guess is that GOA will play wait-and-see.
If they don't make their own non-ToA server they will lose subscribers to Mythic.
If they make their own non-ToA server they will lose even more players from their regular servers.
Personally I would prefer to play on a GOA no-ToA server than on a Mythic no-ToA server.
Equally I would probably prefer to play on a Mythic No-ToA server than on a GOA regular server.
My guess is that GOA will play wait-and-see.
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Cirventhor said:Might take a while though, knowing GoA.
I think GOA is making a good Mythic advertisment...
Belomar said:
Of course it was the result of a player poll, and finally Mythic have acknowledged them - is this so hard to understand ?
Why are you attacking the game I currently play ? I made no mention of it, only DAoC. I agree DAoC has a great PvP *concept* but the current realisation is ultimately poor and unsatisfactory. Face it, DAoC was once a great game - but now it's simply a shallow ghost of its' former self.
I think *you* are staying in your DAoC bubble because you think the game may return to its former self, I think you'll be sorely disappointed.
Q: What are the names of the new servers?
A: We'll announce them next week.
Q: How will you test the new server type?
A: We're going to put up a test version of the server (separate from Pendragon) and if one tenth of the people talking about playing there come help us test the new concept before launch, we'll be in really good shape.
Ow, ow, ow, I dropped that hint on my foot.
Q: Will Catacombs and Catacombs classes be available on the new server?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you need to have Catacombs in order to play on the new server?
A: No - though as with all expansions, you won't have access to Catacombs content or classes without having it.
Q: Do I need to own TOA in order to activate Catacombs on the new server?
A: On the new server, you do not need to own the TOA expansion.
Q: Will the new server be on a separate patch process, or will it be patched just like the current servers?
A: We'll handle it the way we handle it now - we'll patch all servers at the same time, and some notes will only be for the specialty servers.
At first, of course, there will probably be a flurry of server-only fixes. Afterwards, we'll continue to try and keep in mind the server's special needs, though future expansions and patches will be primarily designed for the more typical servers.
Q: Will you be making changes to specific realms or classes on the new server?
A: Not right away. Right now we're looking at the big picture - how types and categories of spells will affect gameplay on a server with the new buff system. With the more specific details, it's more important to see it in action.
Q: Am I right in thinking the new servers are US only?
A: Correct. We can't and don't dictate server types to our partners, so the decision to set up a new type is up to them and the needs of their players.
Q: Is this new server going to be Mythic's answer to 'fixing' ToA? In other words, are you going to stop making adjustments to TOA on the main servers?
A: No! This is not any kind of "solution" to issues that still remain on the main servers. In the words of the executive producer for Camelot, Jeff Hickman, "It is simply an alternative ruleset, just like our PvP or Cooperative servers, designed to meet the gameplay desires of our players. The planning, balancing and updating of the regular servers will of course go on."
To be honest, as I told the TLs, this new server type is meant for people who would otherwise not play DAOC at this time. I don't expect that most people currently playing are going to do much more than roll on the new server out of pure curiosity. I DO expect that the people with active accounts who try the new toy will eventually go back to their "home" servers. And I hope that people who are reactivating just for this ruleset decide to stay.
This server is just an attempt to meet the needs of a niche group of players. What the heck, right? What do we have to lose by trying it out? It doesn't cost us anything to try, and some people might really like it. Maybe it'll end up being a small and dedicated group like Mordred or Gaheris. Maybe it'll be hugely popular. Maybe it'll be popular at first and then droop like a basset hound. We just don't know until we give it a shot. Better to take risks and work at something than to wait until afterwards and claim to have known all along. Really, I don't see why the industry as a whole doesn't just try off-the-beaten-path stuff more often. This isn't brain surgery or experimental atom splitting. No one dies if we guess wrong. But, I'm going to stop now; I'm digressing from the grab bag into cranky ol' Sanya land.
Q: Are you taking into account changes that have been made since ToA to balance the game?
A: Yes, and as Jeff told me, "We will definitely be watching this server for odd imbalances, and make any changes that might be necessary."
A: We'll announce them next week.
Q: How will you test the new server type?
A: We're going to put up a test version of the server (separate from Pendragon) and if one tenth of the people talking about playing there come help us test the new concept before launch, we'll be in really good shape.
Ow, ow, ow, I dropped that hint on my foot.
Q: Will Catacombs and Catacombs classes be available on the new server?
A: Yes.
Q: Do you need to have Catacombs in order to play on the new server?
A: No - though as with all expansions, you won't have access to Catacombs content or classes without having it.
Q: Do I need to own TOA in order to activate Catacombs on the new server?
A: On the new server, you do not need to own the TOA expansion.
Q: Will the new server be on a separate patch process, or will it be patched just like the current servers?
A: We'll handle it the way we handle it now - we'll patch all servers at the same time, and some notes will only be for the specialty servers.
At first, of course, there will probably be a flurry of server-only fixes. Afterwards, we'll continue to try and keep in mind the server's special needs, though future expansions and patches will be primarily designed for the more typical servers.
Q: Will you be making changes to specific realms or classes on the new server?
A: Not right away. Right now we're looking at the big picture - how types and categories of spells will affect gameplay on a server with the new buff system. With the more specific details, it's more important to see it in action.
Q: Am I right in thinking the new servers are US only?
A: Correct. We can't and don't dictate server types to our partners, so the decision to set up a new type is up to them and the needs of their players.
Q: Is this new server going to be Mythic's answer to 'fixing' ToA? In other words, are you going to stop making adjustments to TOA on the main servers?
A: No! This is not any kind of "solution" to issues that still remain on the main servers. In the words of the executive producer for Camelot, Jeff Hickman, "It is simply an alternative ruleset, just like our PvP or Cooperative servers, designed to meet the gameplay desires of our players. The planning, balancing and updating of the regular servers will of course go on."
To be honest, as I told the TLs, this new server type is meant for people who would otherwise not play DAOC at this time. I don't expect that most people currently playing are going to do much more than roll on the new server out of pure curiosity. I DO expect that the people with active accounts who try the new toy will eventually go back to their "home" servers. And I hope that people who are reactivating just for this ruleset decide to stay.
This server is just an attempt to meet the needs of a niche group of players. What the heck, right? What do we have to lose by trying it out? It doesn't cost us anything to try, and some people might really like it. Maybe it'll end up being a small and dedicated group like Mordred or Gaheris. Maybe it'll be hugely popular. Maybe it'll be popular at first and then droop like a basset hound. We just don't know until we give it a shot. Better to take risks and work at something than to wait until afterwards and claim to have known all along. Really, I don't see why the industry as a whole doesn't just try off-the-beaten-path stuff more often. This isn't brain surgery or experimental atom splitting. No one dies if we guess wrong. But, I'm going to stop now; I'm digressing from the grab bag into cranky ol' Sanya land.
Q: Are you taking into account changes that have been made since ToA to balance the game?
A: Yes, and as Jeff told me, "We will definitely be watching this server for odd imbalances, and make any changes that might be necessary."
There wouldn't have been such poll if Mythic hadn't know that lots and lots of players (who they make the game for) are unhappy with ToA and buffbots so yes, I see its reasonable enough to say that Mythic acknowledged that ToA and buffbots were a brainfartsBelomar said:
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I cant see this server working. The no buffbots idea is a good one but soloing will be non existent.
No ToA is a good idea, having the Catacombs classes is a bad idea.
And of course an RA like Charge will now be massively overpowered as there will be no Bodyguard etc to counter it.
I think when people wanted a non ToA server they meant that they wanted a pre-ToA server.
No ToA is a good idea, having the Catacombs classes is a bad idea.
And of course an RA like Charge will now be massively overpowered as there will be no Bodyguard etc to counter it.
I think when people wanted a non ToA server they meant that they wanted a pre-ToA server.
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Gibbo said:
hmm the classes werent designed to be equal with buffs they were designed to be equal without them :S i.e. now if a stealther jumps a caster he is more likely to win where as before a caster had way more hp and ran and killed u because they cast every second or something stupid. now tanks like warriors have a chance to hit casters where as before it seemed more like caster see's you, nuke nuke nuke while you charge towards them. only things OPed seems to be charge and a few abilities like that but tbf should be fairer than normal servers, ur using your classes abilities, not the buffs of another class. and there'll be no solo, ofcourse tehre will be solo thats just stupid to think there wont, now it'll just be fairer solo tbh and duos will be stronger etc
At last some sense being shown. The game will be played as it should have been played for sooo sooo long.
You go on about casters being easy prey for stealthers then? Well they will be if they run around solo. But that is how it should be. A caster is supposed to be in a group being defended by heavies. Stray out of the group and you get jumped upon by a stealther. Makes perfect sense to me. Makes no sodding sense at the moment with casters running in buff assisted armour that is more resistant to damage than many leather users. Rediculous.
Nope this is a major step in getting some balance back in the game. I for one am worn out with whacking buffed opponents whilst unbuffed. Tis hard work and getting harder! Feck if I continue to play am gonna rip some new arseholes for sure .
You go on about casters being easy prey for stealthers then? Well they will be if they run around solo. But that is how it should be. A caster is supposed to be in a group being defended by heavies. Stray out of the group and you get jumped upon by a stealther. Makes perfect sense to me. Makes no sodding sense at the moment with casters running in buff assisted armour that is more resistant to damage than many leather users. Rediculous.
Nope this is a major step in getting some balance back in the game. I for one am worn out with whacking buffed opponents whilst unbuffed. Tis hard work and getting harder! Feck if I continue to play am gonna rip some new arseholes for sure
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soloing is still possible without buffs. take pve first, i did it a lot myself with a minstrel, clericGibbo said:
, bard, blademaster, wizard... all with no buffs at all. it's a bit slower, yes, and more risky. but then, the no bots rules won't effect pve so much anyway.in rvr, again i did a lot of solo running with an unbuffed minstrel. yes, i died a lot. yes, i got owned a lot. but i still managed to get to RR4, without ever needing a bot, which i don't think bad for a casual player.
personally, i'll be giving this a try for sure.
oh, and if anyone's after a usa account, www.dvdboxoffice.com is the best place i've found to import it, they're based in canada, and shipping is free. quite often gets through customs without import duties too
<<There wouldn't have been such poll if Mythic hadn't know that lots and lots of players (who they make the game for) are unhappy with ToA and buffbots so yes, I see its reasonable enough to say that Mythic acknowledged that ToA and buffbots were a brainfarts >>
Not sure they have. It's nearly 2 years since ToA was released in the US. Those that didn't like it have mostly gone. I see this as another attempt at life support - US peak populations lost 5k/25% mid-April through early June. Guildwars maybe, L2 expansion, WoW battlegrounds patch - whatever. Mythic have said that they are 'rssponding' to the request for another server type - not saying that ToA was a disaster.
As for GoA well if they create a business model to justify a Spanish server ( peak player population of c. 100) it shouldn't be very hard to justify an alternate rules server in Europe! Worse of all worlds what they have done. Those that want it will go to US.
Not sure they have. It's nearly 2 years since ToA was released in the US. Those that didn't like it have mostly gone. I see this as another attempt at life support - US peak populations lost 5k/25% mid-April through early June. Guildwars maybe, L2 expansion, WoW battlegrounds patch - whatever. Mythic have said that they are 'rssponding' to the request for another server type - not saying that ToA was a disaster.
As for GoA well if they create a business model to justify a Spanish server ( peak player population of c. 100) it shouldn't be very hard to justify an alternate rules server in Europe! Worse of all worlds what they have done. Those that want it will go to US.
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MKJ said:At last some sense being shown. The game will be played as it should have been played for sooo sooo long.
You go on about casters being easy prey for stealthers then? Well they will be if they run around solo. But that is how it should be. A caster is supposed to be in a group being defended by heavies. Stray out of the group and you get jumped upon by a stealther. Makes perfect sense to me. Makes no sodding sense at the moment with casters running in buff assisted armour that is more resistant to damage than many leather users. Rediculous.
Nope this is a major step in getting some balance back in the game. I for one am worn out with whacking buffed opponents whilst unbuffed. Tis hard work and getting harder! Feck if I continue to play am gonna rip some new arseholes for sure
WOW this is shit good news ..... you mean you actually gonna venture into grown up RvR?
You are aware that poisons are not as powerfull at level 50 so your tactic of steath dot spammin will be virtually useless in lvl 50 RvR ?
If you aint I got an unbuffed Merc who REALLY wants to meet you.
I never said that Mythic is saying ToA was a disaster, I'm saying that they have acknowledged that it is (afterall, it is the players who decide what is disaster and what is not)gervaise said:
There is x+1 different server types - why did non-ToA end up on that poll? It's not a server type that brings anything new to game, it removes things from it.gervaise said:
haha so true, the GOA ¿economist? who thought about that server wasn't really smart eh ;>
If GOA made one of those "alternative rules" server this summer they would gain many costumers from people who cancelled their subs already. Else this possible costumers are gonna give some good money to Mythic instead I believe.
It would be better a pre-ToA server, but a non-Toa isnt that bad.. just needs a couple of fixes and might be nice.
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Palantir said:
Yeah I thought that too but as someone pointed out there is a massive Spanish speaking market out there (many South American countries for example).
But I guess it all depends upon marketing.
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I think this is great. Im going to play there myself, as i dont have time for ToA, and my current "buffbot" account is my brothers main account.
And for all you haters, the servers are a play-style, not a way for Mythic to "fix things". No one forces you to play there, i know people who actually enjoy ToA, so if you do dont be ashamed just admit it and stay on your current servers.
EDIT: Oh and btw, GOA wont copy this.. They wont make enough money to service the server(s). They are doing bad as it is, with lagg and bad Support. (Hence why i moved to US servers 2 years ago).
And for all you haters, the servers are a play-style, not a way for Mythic to "fix things". No one forces you to play there, i know people who actually enjoy ToA, so if you do dont be ashamed just admit it and stay on your current servers.
EDIT: Oh and btw, GOA wont copy this.. They wont make enough money to service the server(s). They are doing bad as it is, with lagg and bad Support. (Hence why i moved to US servers 2 years ago).
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Saggy said:There wouldn't have been such poll if Mythic hadn't know that lots and lots of players (who they make the game for) are unhappy with ToA and buffbots so yes, I see its reasonable enough to say that Mythic acknowledged that ToA and buffbots were a brainfarts
No, Mythic acknowledged that a lot of people don't like ToA and Buffbots
and that they may re-subscribe if given the option of a server without them.