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Foundation Season 3.

Just watched the first episode. I think it may have been the best episode of all of this so far. It's still a mishmash, but ditching 'foundation purity' I thought it set the season up really well.

Edit: Here, have a trailer:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C53xEOdxz70
 
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Two episodes in to Foundation. There are still some very basic silly mistakes, but are they turning this ship around? I'm finding I'm really liking it.
 
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The latest South Park is borderline assault. Brilliant.
 
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Alien: Earth.

Not bad, not entirely sure how it fits into the universe though.
 
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King and Conqueror is so... BBC in production and it's horribly historically accurate.

Sure they're characters we don't know loads about but they sure do take liberties.
 
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Gwadien said:
King and Conqueror is so... BBC in production and it's horribly historically accurate.

Sure they're characters we don't know loads about but they sure do take liberties.
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Horribly historically...inaccurate?

I just IMDB'd the cast. Yeah....no.
 
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So issues so far - very much spoilers...

This is based on my own understanding, I haven't done any further research this is from memory, so there might be bits I'm completely wrong about...

There's a black henchman type character which I do find historically questionable, but could be acceptable due to the pilgrimages to the holy land etc, but there's no explanation of this.

BUT there is a black noble family which makes 0 sense with a crazy feminist black woman too.

Edward the Confessor is portrayed as being a complete nutter that's a mummy's boy and she has control until he has a mental break and kills her, oh and she goes on about how 'God' is bullshit, which is completely historically inaccurate - Christianity was relatively new which solidified the position of Kings, it would be absolutely stupid of anyone who supports the King to question religion.

Edward's wife (Harold's sister) goes and stabs a messenger in the neck, lol.

Harald Hardrada is portrayed as a blood-thirsty viking pagan which again is silly, (immediately beheaded a friendly 'English' messenger) especially since he's a character who's stupidly famous and we know loads about him already.

They go to London where there's a stone castle, I could be wrong here but I'm sure Winchester was still the seat of power and there was only a stone castle when the Normans came. (It looked like a Roman castle but looked brand new in horrible CGI)

Harold Godwinson and William of Normandy seem to meet up and have these crazy events happen to them which certainly didn't happen.

Harold goes on some rescue mission for his wife which also didn't happen.

Oh and they also make a point of the Viking descendants being quite alien to them, even though they've inter married for generations.

There's also many historical people that are pretty much comedy characters which sucks too.

There's more that I cba to list.

The annoying part about it is that information is limited anyway but the information we definitely DO know makes a fascinating story in itself and I wouldn't be too bothered if they filled the gaps with made up shit to make it interesting but they completely deviate off the information we do know.

I'll update once I've finished, but I'm expecting some concept that William was somehow superior to Harold when in reality Harold was arguably superior but was pretty damn unlucky.
 
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Think I just did more defending of British culture than those people putting flags out ever will in their lives.

Im sure there will be outrage at the black characters but ignoring the rest.
 
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Gwadien said:
So issues so far - very much spoilers...

This is based on my own understanding, I haven't done any further research this is from memory, so there might be bits I'm completely wrong about...

There's a black henchman type character which I do find historically questionable, but could be acceptable due to the pilgrimages to the holy land etc, but there's no explanation of this.

BUT there is a black noble family which makes 0 sense with a crazy feminist black woman too.

Edward the Confessor is portrayed as being a complete nutter that's a mummy's boy and she has control until he has a mental break and kills her, oh and she goes on about how 'God' is bullshit, which is completely historically inaccurate - Christianity was relatively new which solidified the position of Kings, it would be absolutely stupid of anyone who supports the King to question religion.

Edward's wife (Harold's sister) goes and stabs a messenger in the neck, lol.

Harald Hardrada is portrayed as a blood-thirsty viking pagan which again is silly, (immediately beheaded a friendly 'English' messenger) especially since he's a character who's stupidly famous and we know loads about him already.

They go to London where there's a stone castle, I could be wrong here but I'm sure Winchester was still the seat of power and there was only a stone castle when the Normans came. (It looked like a Roman castle but looked brand new in horrible CGI)

Harold Godwinson and William of Normandy seem to meet up and have these crazy events happen to them which certainly didn't happen.

Harold goes on some rescue mission for his wife which also didn't happen.

Oh and they also make a point of the Viking descendants being quite alien to them, even though they've inter married for generations.

There's also many historical people that are pretty much comedy characters which sucks too.

There's more that I cba to list.

The annoying part about it is that information is limited anyway but the information we definitely DO know makes a fascinating story in itself and I wouldn't be too bothered if they filled the gaps with made up shit to make it interesting but they completely deviate off the information we do know.

I'll update once I've finished, but I'm expecting some concept that William was somehow superior to Harold when in reality Harold was arguably superior but was pretty damn unlucky.
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I know a fair bit about the Norman conquest (I blame The Rest is History for sending me off down many rabbit holes; I've just read a 1000 page book on the 30 Years War thanks to them), so I suspect this would make me blow a blood vessel. Even the line you mention about Harald Hardrada makes me want to scream; he was very Christian.

I think I'll pass on this.
 
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DaGaffer said:
I know a fair bit about the Norman conquest (I blame The Rest is History for sending me off down many rabbit holes; I've just read a 1000 page book on the 30 Years War thanks to them), so I suspect this would make me blow a blood vessel. Even the line you mention about Harald Hardrada makes me want to scream; he was very Christian.

I think I'll pass on this.
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They also live in mud hovels in Norway, the same chap that lived in luxury in Constantinople.
 
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DaGaffer said:
I know a fair bit about the Norman conquest (I blame The Rest is History for sending me off down many rabbit holes; I've just read a 1000 page book on the 30 Years War thanks to them), so I suspect this would make me blow a blood vessel. Even the line you mention about Harald Hardrada makes me want to scream; he was very Christian.

I think I'll pass on this.
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Speaking of which


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQtMHK-0kC4
 
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Tom said:
If you want to watch a really decent drama loosely based on history, go for The Last Kingdom. It races through events, but it's always interesting to watch with good characters, good battles, and, well just good everything.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxPApTGWwas
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Yeah seen it - Bernard Cornwell does a great job.

Final notes @DaGaffer -

Battle of Stamford Bridge - Quick 5 minute ambush job, none of Hardrada not wearing armour and the berserker on the bridge, dude in the barrel etc, and Tostig kills Hardrada as a final redemption then Harold accidentally kills him (Tostig betrays Harold in this after being a plucky happy lad who falls in love, marries, girl dies in childbirth he blames Harold goes Anakin and betrays him)

Battle of Hastings - Brilliant scene before the battle, Harold says to his black second in command 'I know a good high ground here'
'Senlac hill?'
*both nod*

Does a pretty good job at showing the actual battle for about 5 minutes (shield walls smashing the shit out of each other) then it turns into a 1v1 duel, you know, they see each other across the battlefield, make their way to each other, kill a couple on the way then have an epic duel, Harold has William on the floor then suddenly gets speared (which is a Bayeux tapestry theory) and stabbed a few times, after he's dead William puts an arrow through his eye and Odo (His brother and the guy responsible for the Tapestry) witnesses it and says it came from God.
 
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Gwadien said:
King and Conqueror is so... BBC in production and it's horribly historically accurate.

Sure they're characters we don't know loads about but they sure do take liberties.
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Just watched EP 1 - it's clearly bollocks. I am not a history buff at all though, so might try the next ep simply for the action and see if I get drawn in....
 
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Alien Earth finale is out now - Probably some of the best TV we've seen in ages.
Gen V season 2 (first 3) is out now too.
 
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