New Minstrel TL Report

[hotrat]

To all those who haven't read it
http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=40561114&replies=38

This guy knows a lot about minstrels

Most popular thing that seems to need fixing is the endurance//power costs of dd's and stun:

Shout Stun Power Concern

Class Level Dur./Mana=MPSec
Healer 50(C) 33/11=3
Healer 48(IA) 31/10=3.1
Cleric 46(C) 30/9=3.3
Eldritch 46(C) 30/0=3.3
Enchanter 46(C) 30/9=3.3
Mentalist 46(C) 30/9=3.3
Minstrel 40(I) 49/6=8.2

Almost 3 times more than any other class in the game, personally i would be happy if the timer was 30 secs and it cost less power.

Another highlight:
October 9, 2001: DAoC goes live, Minstrel stealth is identical to that of all other rogues.
October 19, 2001: Assassins get the Detect Hidden Stealth ability
January 2002: Assassins get the Climb Walls Stealth ability.
May 2002: Realm abilites go live. Assassins get See Hidden. Archers get True Sight. Both get Mastery of Stealth.
August 2002: Archers receive Camouflage as a Stealth ability

When the game was released, Minstrels were identical in every way to the other Stealth classes. Now, just over a year since release, Minstrels are clearly an afterthought among the Stealth classes. They are the only class to have received no new Stealth abilities, no new Stealth realm abilities and no new See-Through-Stealth realm abilities. They are also the only Stealth class vulnerable to See Hidden at all times. They are, in fact, no longer even considered a “real Stealth class.”

Well it makes an interesting read if your board at work

 

[Ensceptifica]

To me as a non-stealther, minstrels are still very much a stealth class, and through their versatility they became popular, and through their popularity there's quite a few around making life in the frontier very dangerous.

 

[old.anubis]

hm, skald shouts are also on the same power cost table (53 P for last mezz). skald with pom is a bit too powerful, that's true. so with power cost it's ok imho.

as for stealth, i think 90% of assassins will vote for removing SH and TS completely.

 

[hotrat]

Yer PoM is nice for skalds, well its nice for all of mid realm tbh (i thought it was on 10 min timer until i played PvP when i found out its a buff).
If minstrel could play mana song while in combat it would balance that out a bit, and no way is being able to play a song and fight overpowered (only useful song would be power song anyway, speed not working in combat and heal song being crap). Skalds get battle chant in combat anyway.
Bards could also do some melee while playing end song if they wanted as well

 

[old.Anarki]

The only they will remove endurance consumption when we use DDs this would make me happy, cause i after 4 dds and 1 stun i only have endruance for 4-5 styles, and this is not enough sadly

 

[old.Nol]

Next patch bards are basically screwed, with new resist tables and mezz nerfage(mincer stun on body too), plus other realms getting end chants, there is no way we can escape death. We're just easy rp's God help us if we put the drum down and pull a shield out...

 

[lofff]

champ instas drain shitload endurance.. fully debuffing a target and dding it drains so much endurance that i could barely land 2-3 styles. 4 if low end ones... (thankfully, bards are me friends >.<)

 

[darbey]

Very nice balanced and concise report backed up with facts and examples. Hope mythic listen although i will not hold my breath.

 

[Xandax]

I say if Minstrels should stealth as good as archers and assassins they should loose the chain armour.
Otherwise I don't see a reason - albeit annoying for the class for sure - they should be able to stealth as good as studded or leather users.

 

[Hatt]

:sleeping:

 

[old.Nol]

there's a whole load of people with either an attention deficit or narcolepsy on this forum...

 

[old.BJ|Bored]

take chain then and give studded + evade5

 

[hotrat]

Yer i would prefer to wear studded armor and have a higher evade (and better stealth), would make 50 thrust spec a lot more appealing as well.
As for endurance, hopefully it will be slightly improved when pala's get end regen.

 

[sharon_corr]

End shouldnt be a problem anymore after next patch. Mythic sent in spies and stole our little secret of the Endurance Song and then sold it away to the other realms! Nerf mythic! This was the Bard's secret, our strength, our little bonus against the enemies! Nerf Mythic!


/Shaz (joking, btw!)