New guy here and bonedancer help needed

[Brite]

The only serious i win casters Vs a bonedancer is a light eldritch, now i havnt seen any of these on prydwen until recently, without purge up these are very hard to beat with near sight bd (cant inerupt), aoe mezz, then stun, them some nasty nukes and you have to run to melee range with nearsight even with 9% range to get anything off, so a properly played one of these is hard to beat... but the guy obviously hasn't learnt how to play good yet cos i beat him and his 4 friends amgO, unmana4tehwin !

 

[NeonBlue]

pfttt its like 1000 range pbaoe anyway so not far to run and they will still cast faster than 4 seconds and for more damage than my lifetap so im gonna have to use that lame run through trick to get some target not in sight stuff

oh and with tapping it takes them a while to kill me anyway even if i dont unmana... mom3, wp3, 9% extra damage and cloudsong is some nice tap damage

any person who uses the walk thru bug/trick/feature (whatever u wanna call it)...on another person ive no respect for...just means ur lowering ur standards....

besides that trick is easily beaten...and if i still had my sorc and u tried that on me u would be dead...many a mid caster tried it and failed

as for ur dmg...my sorc was nuking out about 300dmg every 1.5/2secs...with casting speed bonus of 10%+mota3+buffs....so i reckon ud still be dead before u reached me

 

[Balbor]

everyone has to agree that the instent LD of BD needs to be reduced in range 1000 or 700

 

[Balbor]

any person who uses the walk thru bug/trick/feature (whatever u wanna call it)...on another person ive no respect for...just means ur lowering ur standards....

besides that trick is easily beaten...and if i still had my sorc and u tried that on me u would be dead...many a mid caster tried it and failed

as for ur dmg...my sorc was nuking out about 300dmg every 1.5/2secs...with casting speed bonus of 10%+mota3+buffs....so i reckon ud still be dead before u reached me

BD use the run through abuse all the time

 

[NeonBlue]

everyone has to agree that the instent LD of BD needs to be reduced in range 1000 or 700

well when Bds 1st came out...i would agree...but now i dont...since they are supposedly a caster class...so therefore 99% of caster DDs are 1500 range...why should Bds be any different?

Maybe is that "instant" factor that needs to be changed?

either way after playing a BD in thid and i know it isnt the same as "grown up" RvR...but the concepts are the same...the BD isnt as overpowered as ppl think

as with any class...the class is only as good as the person who plays it...and especially believe this when it comes to casters...because their survival chances are very low

 

[Ormorof]

i bet Necros have to repair a lot more than BDers

unless theyve changed since last time i looked its the necro pet getting hit and not the necro?

 

[NeonBlue]

well like ive said...any person who uses bug/exploits etc for their own gain...is worth jack shit..and gets no respect from me

especially other casters or stealthers who use it...but then again it was thanks to a NS i learnt how to beat it....hi valawalker!!

but if u know how to beat the run thru trick..u will find that they give up trying to use it on you

 

[Balbor]

unless theyve changed since last time i looked its the necro pet getting hit and not the necro?

NECROS ITEMS TAKE DAMAGE WHEN PET IS HIT, does that make it clearer

 

[Balbor]

well when Bds 1st came out...i would agree...but now i dont...since they are supposedly a caster class...so therefore 99% of caster DDs are 1500 range...why should Bds be any different?

instent lifetap isn't a normal DD, its instent cast and Life Draining, they have other 1500 range castable DDs. Anyway i think BD would prefer a range decrease over changing the spell to a normal Lifedrain spell with 2.5sec cast time.

 

[Irakaz]

Now that ive read a little more advice and a lot more help from people i just realised i rolled a BD that i ridiculed as both an alb and a hib . I wanted to have a valkn bd at start, a sylvan valewalker and an inconnu reaver. Id like to thank all the people who posted and im gonna rerool how i wanted to play from the beginning. I can always respec my abilities but im still waiting for that implementation of race respec (Shar Nightshades anyone? )

Anyways I will see you all on the battlefield, mourning my fallen friends and bowing to my slain enemies . . . . just b4 that damn cute luri nails me

 

[Thegreatest]

well when Bds 1st came out...i would agree...but now i dont...since they are supposedly a caster class...so therefore 99% of caster DDs are 1500 range...why should Bds be any different?

You don't agree anymore cause you're playing mid. Tell me, which alb would want 1 of their classes nerfed? I think no one...That's the same with mid, they know some classes are a bit overpowered but of course they don't want them to get nerfed cause it's their ally.

Besides, BD's already have 1500 range castable dd. So if the range was nerfed but the BD would want 1500 range nukes, they could just spec darkness.

Maybe is that "instant" factor that needs to be changed?

2 things to propperly fix this without it effecting PVE: 1. Reduce the range to 700 or at least to 1000 (that wouldnt affect PVE at all cause bd's are fighting the mobs in melee range anyway). Would be the best fix in my opinion

2. Increase the recast timer to 8 secs, which will give the target a chance to get a spell off between 2 insta lifetaps from the bd. This will affect PVE but not much because a bd isnt spamming lifetap anyway when fighting a mob cause that would get them oop very soon.

Of course you can make the lifetap castable but I think that would be the biggest nerf and most bd's simply wouldnt agree.

way after playing a BD in thid and i know it isnt the same as "grown up" RvR...but the concepts are the same...the BD isnt as overpowered as ppl think

BD not overpowered in thidranki? I think you're playing the class wrong then...It's thidranki were the bd's are more overpowered compared to regular RVR. In regular RVR other people will at least have RA's and other stuff to counter the bd's insta lifetap, in thidranki RA's don't play any role...

as with any class...the class is only as good as the person who plays it...and especially believe this when it comes to casters...because their survival chances are very low

Agreed. I've thought about giving every caster evade I and base parry (so at least +QUI would be usefull to higher evade chance) but that would be probably a bit too overpowered. But I don't see any reason why that couldn't be implemented if you look at it from roleplaying purpose...A caster is wearing a staff and cloth armor, why wouldnt they be able to evade some blows and parry some?

 

[NeonBlue]

You don't agree anymore cause you're playing mid. Tell me, which alb would want 1 of their classes nerfed? I think no one...That's the same with mid, they know some classes are a bit overpowered but of course they don't want them to get nerfed cause it's their ally.

as usual the tyical narrow minded view (am guessing ur an Alb)...it has nothing to do with me playing mid...its the fact ive tried a BD now...ive tried dark, supp and BA spec...and after playing ive found that the BDs arent as overpowered as ppl seem to think

Besides, BD's already have 1500 range castable dd. So if the range was nerfed but the BD would want 1500 range nukes, they could just spec darkness..

the darkness line is bugged to hell...its pointless even trying that line...i tried it for 2 lvls...and the pets AI is just crap....the debuffer and the caster pets dont do what they're suppose to do....hence why u dont see any dark spec BDs...as for their other castable DDs...they as far as i remember are baseline nukes...so the supp line gives u a spec nuke which just happens to be an instant lifetap.....the only thing u could say thats overpowered about it...is the fact its instant every 4secs

2 things to propperly fix this without it effecting PVE: 1. Reduce the range to 700 or at least to 1000 (that wouldnt affect PVE at all cause bd's are fighting the mobs in melee range anyway). Would be the best fix in my opinion

2. Increase the recast timer to 8 secs, which will give the target a chance to get a spell off between 2 insta lifetaps from the bd. This will affect PVE but not much because a bd isnt spamming lifetap anyway when fighting a mob cause that would get them oop very soon.

Of course you can make the lifetap castable but I think that would be the biggest nerf and most bd's simply wouldnt agree.

in other words ur fixes just effect RvR...so u dont get interrupted as much?..so makes it easier for u to kill em

as i already stated previously...taking down a BD in RvR really isnt that hard...u just gotta think about it

BD not overpowered in thidranki? I think you're playing the class wrong then...It's thidranki were the bd's are more overpowered compared to regular RVR. In regular RVR other people will at least have RA's and other stuff to counter the bd's insta lifetap, in thidranki RA's don't play any role.

i thought i had stated that in Thid i played my Ba spec BD...but looking back i didnt...so ur forgiven this time....supp BDs probably are the most overpowered in Thid...but try playing a BA spec and ull find they arent...u have to rely on ur dots too much..and with a range of only 1500...i found that getting these dots off before a sorc mezzed...or a theurgist spammed pets on u wasnt easy

Agreed. I've thought about giving every caster evade I and base parry (so at least +QUI would be usefull to higher evade chance) but that would be probably a bit too overpowered. But I don't see any reason why that couldn't be implemented if you look at it from roleplaying purpose...A caster is wearing a staff and cloth armor, why wouldnt they be able to evade some blows and parry some?

thats just silly...why the heck should a caster get evade and parry?...those are what i call melee skils...and are linked with fighters....casters use magic and have no skills in the art of close combat

As for ppl thinking classes are overpowered...it usually just boils down to ppl not being able to deal with them...but every class ive thought was overpowered ive tried ....found their strenghts & weakness...which in turn has helped me to deal with em...so they dont seem so overpowered anymore...perhaps ppl such as urself with such narrowminded views should try it...might suprise you

 

[Oro]

Same old same old

Bonedancer is tough 1v1 and gets progressively weaker the more people you have in a fight as they become vulnerable to group tactics very very quickly. Most bonedancers are specced for this 1v1 fighting.

There are bucketloads of tactics for killing bonedancers - whether it be a using disease or slamming/stunning/mezzing pets. Hec, poisoning the healer pets is a hoot (but not for the bonedacer) - they just start healing each other.

The only thing you *cannot* do with a bonedancer is attempt stick then thwack your preferred anytime style mindlessly and this is the bit that seems to mess with people's heads. Bonedancers were designed so that the pet were part of the tactical factor of killing the bonedancer. You either do enough damage to the bonedancer quickly before the heal pets start their thing or you find a way to neutralise them.

 

[Thegreatest]

Nice to flame someone and call him "narrowminded" that tries to discuss something in a nice way. I'm not an alb neither a mid or a hib, I'm just a former DAoC player who gives his opinion. I've stopped playing 2 months ago and actually that's why I don't care. I've played a bonedancer and some other classes on mid/excal and hib/excal few months before leaving. Just for the sake of trying something different before stopping my subs. So I've seen enough to have a good opinion about some things. I've stated this a lot of times before, in my opinion Mythic did actually a good job balancing the 3 realms. All 3 realms have there advantages and disadavantages. People who claim that realm a is better than realm b should just play realm a and stop complaining about it.

 

[NeonBlue]

Nice to flame someone and call him "narrowminded" that tries to discuss something in a nice way. I'm not an alb neither a mid or a hib, I'm just a human cause I don't play anymore. And actually, that's why I don't care. I've played a bonedancer and some other classes on mid/excal and hib/excal few months before leaving. Just for the sake of trying something different before stopping my subs. So I've seen enough to have a good opinion about some things. I've stated this a lot of times before, in my opinion Mythic did actually a good job balancing the 3 realms. All 3 realms have there advantages and disadavantages. People who claim that realm a is better than realm b should just play realm b and stop complaining about it.

if u were trying to discuss things nicely,...u wouldnt of had the attitude of " ur a mid now... course u dont think BDs need nerfing"...so sorry u opened urself up for that....and it wasnt a flame it was my opinion ....based on your post

i well never try to say a class or realm is overpowered etc...till ive at least tried that realm/class.....that way i get a better idea of things...sadly when the BD came into the game..i didnt have a chance to play 1 and judged them wrong....now i moved to mid of course ive tried 1....tried all 3 specs....obviously not at lvl50...but enough to realise they have their weaknesses just like any other class (e.g Dark line being totally useless) and arent as overpowered as ppl think

 

[Balbor]

As for ppl thinking classes are overpowered...it usually just boils down to ppl not being able to deal with them...but every class ive thought was overpowered ive tried ....found their strenghts & weakness...which in turn has helped me to deal with em...so they dont seem so overpowered anymore...perhaps ppl such as urself with such narrowminded views should try it...might suprise you

ever though that maybe you are a crap player and thats why you don't think BD are over powered. At L50 same RR i can't think of many classes that can beat a BD. Saying that other classes need to use more skill is pointless when it comes down to the ammount of skill/luck needed vs the small ammount needed on a BDs behalf.

Its not people not being able to deal with them, its there class not being able to deal with them.

 

[NeonBlue]

ever though that maybe you are a crap player and thats why you don't think BD are over powered. At L50 same RR i can't think of many classes that can beat a BD. Saying that other classes need to use more skill is pointless when it comes down to the ammount of skill/luck needed vs the small ammount needed on a BDs behalf.

Its not people not being able to deal with them, its there class not being able to deal with them.

lol crap player?...u think i got a sorc to rr6 by being crap?

my sorc could take down a Bd pretty easy....without moc...unless they were high realm rank like Ilskan then i need to use moc..and thats because Ilskan plays her Bd very well..and just doesnt spam lifetap all the time...but guess u dont see past the instant lifetap bit !

u seriously need to get a grip...ur basically saying because i dont think BDs are overpowered that am a crap player?.....dont insult me.....infact come back when u have a better argument...because its fairly obvious u dont have a clue what ur talking about!!

 

[Ormorof]

ever though that maybe you are a crap player and thats why you don't think BD are over powered. At L50 same RR i can't think of many classes that can beat a BD. Saying that other classes need to use more skill is pointless when it comes down to the ammount of skill/luck needed vs the small ammount needed on a BDs behalf.

Its not people not being able to deal with them, its there class not being able to deal with them.

ive seen minstrels beat BD's.... ive seen sorcs do it...... ive seen infils do it...

infils especially now with their AE mez poison can do it

 

[NeonBlue]

ive seen minstrels beat BD's.... ive seen sorcs do it...... ive seen infils do it...

infils especially now with their AE mez poison can do it

i use to solo Bds with my infil before toa...it was just a matter poisoning ur blades right and making sure u got PA & Cd off

again its all down to knowing ur class and using ur head....but this seems to past some ppl....Hi Balbor !!!

 

[Balbor]

i use to solo Bds with my infil before toa...it was just a matter poisoning ur blades right and making sure u got PA & Cd off

again its all down to knowing ur class and using ur head....but this seems to past some ppl....Hi Balbor !!!

i've soloed BD with my sorcerer with very little hassle. Of course if the BD moves as you are trying to get PA off and it fails you could be screwed.

 

[Balbor]

lol crap player?...u think i got a sorc to rr6 by being crap?

sorry, sorry though this was about BDs not sorcerer

 

[Ormorof]

At L50 same RR i can't think of many classes that can beat a BD.

i've soloed BD with my sorcerer with very little hassle.

you arent just a whiner you are a hypocrite too

 

[NeonBlue]

sorry, sorry though this was about BDs not sorcerer

no this was about u calling me a crap player because i think Bds aint overpowered...so i was saying u think i played a sorc to RR6 by being crap or without having any clue on my enemies strengths/weaknesses

i've soloed BD with my sorcerer with very little hassle

ur now saying u have soloed Bds with ur sorc without hassle?...if so ur just shooting ur whole argument in the foot

 

[NeonBlue]

you arent just a whiner you are a hypocrite too

another clueless alb is seems

p.s nerf u changing ur post when am quoting lol

 

[Lejemorder]

the darkness line is bugged to hell...its pointless even trying that line...i tried it for 2 lvls...and the pets AI is just crap....the debuffer and the caster pets dont do what they're suppose to do....hence why u dont see any dark spec BDs...as for their other castable DDs...they as far as i remember are baseline nukes...so the supp line gives u a spec nuke which just happens to be an instant lifetap.....the only thing u could say thats overpowered about it...is the fact its instant every 4secs

good u can see why ppl think bds are overpowered 1vs1, its due to there instant every 4 sec and nothing else, as u point out all other thing ad bd are near to crap in rvr.
as baldor said nerf the range down to 1000 or 700 range as all other instant dds and raise the reacast timer to 8 sec, so a bd not have to win by spamming instant lifetab.
the reason to the range nerf is that they have to move near the target if they want to interrupt em and the recast timer, instant lifedrain every 4 sec is just mad.

 

[Thegreatest]

if u were trying to discuss things nicely,...u wouldnt of had the attitude of " ur a mid now... course u dont think BDs need nerfing"...so sorry u opened urself up for that....and it wasnt a flame it was my opinion ....based on your post

I think you are the narrowminded person here cause you probably can't read...I've said that it's normal that you think bd's aren't overpowered cause you're playing midgard right now. If midgard was my main realm, I would say that bd's aren't overpowered too cause it's a class from your realm, it's your ally. I said that it's normal that someone changes his opinion cause his former enemy is his friend now, I didn't flamed you for that. Read things again and try to understand what I've said totally before replying.

i well never try to say a class or realm is overpowered etc...till ive at least tried that realm/class.....that way i get a better idea of things...sadly when the BD came into the game..i didnt have a chance to play 1 and judged them wrong....

Like I said, I've played mid/excal for a long time to have a good opinion about some things. My opinion before playing a bd and after didn't change, they are still too overpowered compared to most other classes.

now i moved to mid of course ive tried 1....tried all 3 specs....obviously not at lvl50...but enough to realise they have their weaknesses just like any other class (e.g Dark line being totally useless) and arent as overpowered as ppl think

ah you got the nail on the head there, the problem with the bd's is that 1 line is too overpowered and the other 2 extremely underpowerd. Just like the animist and the enchanter (till a certain degree).

 

[Balbor]

ah you got the nail on the head there, the problem with the bd's is that 1 line is too overpowered and the other 2 extremely underpowerd. Just like the animist and the enchanter (till a certain degree).

from peoples comments BA spec line isn't underpowered and it better for leveling over supp.

 

[Iceforge]

good u can see why ppl think bds are overpowered 1vs1, its due to there instant every 4 sec and nothing else, as u point out all other thing ad bd are near to crap in rvr.
as baldor said nerf the range down to 1000 or 700 range as all other instant dds and raise the reacast timer to 8 sec, so a bd not have to win by spamming instant lifetab.
the reason to the range nerf is that they have to move near the target if they want to interrupt em and the recast timer, instant lifedrain every 4 sec is just mad.

And then?

You just said everything else on the BD was bad, so what bost will you give them?

You could do that and then give them stealth + chain + climb and have a less-powerfull Mincer, uhuhuhuh, without speed

EDIT: I know mincers don't have 8 sec instant lifedrain, but with all the good stuff they have, a 8 sec LD BD with chain + stealth + climb would not be as good as a mincer.... if not boosted...

EDIT AGAIN: A miss type in my other Edit

 

[Ormorof]

from peoples comments BA spec line isn't underpowered and it better for leveling over supp.

yep but in rvr i dont think theres any self-respecting class that cant kill them since they have no real damage output beyond baselines and their dot so unless they want to kite people....

 

[NeonBlue]

I think you are the narrowminded person here cause you probably can't read...I've said that it's normal that you think bd's aren't overpowered cause you're playing midgard right now. If midgard was my main realm, I would say that bd's aren't overpowered too cause it's a class from your realm, it's your ally. I said that it's normal that someone changes his opinion cause his former enemy is his friend now, I didn't flamed you for that. Read things again and try to understand what I've said totally before replying.

nope...i still stand by what i said...it has NOTHING to do with the fact i moved to mid !!.....its EVERY to do with that ive tried BDs for myself and found out what they are really like.....

now which part of that DONT YOU understand???

obviously it is YOU who doesnt understand because you have just come back with the same pathetic arguement of " its coz u changed realms blah blah and now the Bd is ur ally blah blah"

and if u think i cant read...thats not being narrowminded...thats being illiterate....so before you try replying to my arguemnt

1) think of a decent reply
2) if ur gonna insult...make sure u know what they mean!
3) Come up with a constructive decent argument to the points ive made

Like I said, I've played mid/excal for a long time to have a good opinion about some things. My opinion before playing a bd and after didn't change, they are still too overpowered compared to most other classes.

still overpowered to most other classes?...like which classes?....i can think of a Theurg...Sorc...Cabby...Infil...Mincer....Fire Wiz....Rc Runie...Enchanter. Eldritch who shouldnt/wouldnt have much problems against a BD...and those are the classes i can think of...off top of my head....the only classes that might have a problem againt Bds are tanks..because unless high RR...wont have the same dmg output in a short space of time

ah you got the nail on the head there, the problem with the bd's is that 1 line is too overpowered and the other 2 extremely underpowerd. Just like the animist and the enchanter (till a certain degree).

you dont think it could be a case of the other lines are extremely underpowered (like you said)...which makes the supp line LOOK overpowered...but infact isnt...its just like any other line but coz the other 2 are so crap...so clueless ppl think "OMG thats way overpowered"