New Graphiccard and problems :(

[Urme the Legend]

My old Asus Geforce4 Ti4400 128mb went "boom" .. so I bought a new one.

Asus V9520TD FX5200 256mb.

The problem is that it feels like driving a god damn truck when I'm playing.. it's slow. Almost slowmotion sometimes etc.

I uninstalled Nvidia 61.77 .. and installed them again.. same problem, so I installed Nvidia 56.72.. still the same problem. I had DX9.0b so I installed 9.0c.. no improvement. Uninstalled my soundcard incase that was the problem... didn't help :/ ..

Someone else had this problem? ... my next step is to format c: and reinstall windows.. but don't want to do that incase there is a solution.

Help!

 

[Urme the Legend]

Doom3 went very smooth.. and daoc runs slow .. :/ .. feels "heavy" to run around/turn around.. gah.

 

[Influenza]

I know you may not want to here this m8 but the 5200s are at the bottom of the nvidia range and pretty bad cards by all accounts

 

[Urme the Legend]

but sure it's better then my Geforce2 I'm using on my BB computer? That's running smoother atm then my FX5200...

 

[amcmahon]

Ti4400 is a much faster card than the FX5200. sorry

 

[Skaven]

some of the geforce 4 range has a clock speed faster than some of the 5's I believe. The geforce 4 cards were brilliant. Shame they didn't put in the same hardwork with the fx range.

 

[Urme the Legend]

Even if the Ti4400 is faster than the FX5200.. I should be able to play DAoC? .. is the Geforce2 64mb faster than the FX5200 also? ..

Doom3 runs smoother on the FX5200 then it did on my Ti4400.. something is wierd.. and I need a solution where I don't have to buy another graphic card..

 

[plomien]

it sounds like there is a problem with the card.
it should still be under warrenty so send it back.

 

[Daedalus]

And check if it's getting enough power from your mobo (check both card and mobo specs). Though, even though that shouldn't be the problem as Doom 3 is running fine, it's worth to check it anyway. Run 3dmark2003 in a loop too for a while to see if it's all stable.

 

[Urme the Legend]

And check if it's getting enough power from your mobo (check both card and mobo specs). Though, even though that shouldn't be the problem as Doom 3 is running fine, it's worth to check it anyway. Run 3dmark2003 in a loop too for a while to see if it's all stable.

How can I check if the MB and graphic card is getting enough power? ..

I ran 3dmark03 and the results was very bad.. the first test with the airplanes was ok.. around 40-90fps .. the other tests around 2-14 fps.. mostly around 5fps.

My system is a AMD2400+, 512mb RAM, Asus A7V8x motherboard, Asus V9520TD FX5200 256mb.. I got a 300W PSU. Never had any problems like this before..

Do the FX5200 need more power than my old GF4 ti4400?

 

[Gamah]

How can I check if the MB and graphic card is getting enough power? ..

I ran 3dmark03 and the results was very bad.. the first test with the airplanes was ok.. around 40-90fps .. the other tests around 2-14 fps.. mostly around 5fps.

My system is a AMD2400+, 512mb RAM, Asus A7V8x motherboard, Asus V9520TD FX5200 256mb.. I got a 300W PSU. Never had any problems like this before..

Do the FX5200 need more power than my old GF4 ti4400?

when you boot go into bios..something like Pc Health should be there check all your voltages make maje sure they are above the minimum i.e 5v should be above 5v

 

[Urme the Legend]

when you boot go into bios..something like Pc Health should be there check all your voltages make maje sure they are above the minimum i.e 5v should be above 5v

Ah k did that and everything is normal.

 

[Herjulf]

Also check that your card is driving in agp x8 and not x2.
Just a thought.

However i feel like its more a card problem.

I had a similar problem with my newly installed Ati Radeon 9800pro card, that was a driver issue.
So i installed the latest chipset drivers, raised memory voltage by 0.1 volt (on mainboard) installed the latest catalyst drivers, tweaked/oevrclocked a little and voila.

Laggfree daoc.

I had the same behaviour, like running in syrup when turning.

 

[Urme the Legend]

Tried different versions of Nvidia drivers.. all the same.

I just resinstalled windows and all drivers.. same shit :/

Did you raise the AGP voltage to 1.6v?

 

[Herjulf]

i never touched agp voltage.

Oh another thing, that have helped me. I tell the BIOS to let the OS handle IRQ´s.
This have helped me with some IRQ and bus bandwidth problems due to dual soundcards dual network cards etc.
I got some occasional "syrup" lag from that also and sound disturbances.

Setting allow os to handle IRQ assignment to YES in bios cracked that nut for me.

 

[Sycho]

Try turning best frame rate option on in daoc options and see how it runs with that, i know some cards hate toa water which makes them really slowdown a lot.

 

[Urme the Legend]

Try turning best frame rate option on in daoc options and see how it runs with that, i know some cards hate toa water which makes them really slowdown a lot.

I tried that.. turned everything off.. it was a small improvement.. but still sluggish/sirap gameplay.

I turned off antialiasing, antisomethingelse, no improvement...

I'm thinking of getting me another Ti4400 graphic card.. though I can't find any store that are still selling them here in Sweden.. dunno if the store I bought this one from will accept my explanation that DAoC was running slow so I have to return it

 

[Sycho]

You could take it back and get a fx5700-5950 model, 128ddr version since they shouldn't be much more expensive than fx5200 but run toa a lot better, i am using a fx5900 256ddr and it's pretty decent.There is also an option in graphics card settings that can slow framerates down called frame-sych(or vertical sych) this option apparently can slowdown certain games too so i always have it off.

But you probably better off taking back and going for a 5750 model if you can, seems to not be much more expensive and should be a lot better card.(all i know here in england fx5750 costs about £70-85 so probably about 120 euros or so where you are, not sure if that's a bit too much for you but it's a decent card for that price range)

 

[Urme the Legend]

Aye I turned off v-synch the first thing I did.

So this card: Asus V9570 GeForce FX5700 256Mb DDR TV-out DVI RETAIL AGP
Would be alot better? Having serious doubts about FX5x00 models atm

 

[Sycho]

The fx5700-5900 models are the only decent ones really for daoc, i am pretty sure the shop would let you take it back and take the difference off a new card, i had a 4400 titanium model too was a lovely card.That model should be ok yeah, fx5700 series of cards:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatalog/FX5700_Series.html

That's uk prices though, probably cheaper where you are, everything is expensive here

You could also check on tom's hardware website and see what cards are best for your price range, it's a good site if you wish to know these things.

Benchmarks for latest games on all the latest cards:

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20031229/

 

[Urme the Legend]

Guess I have to try a FX5700 then..

It costs 160-190 euro here in Sweden.. the Asus one with 256mb memory.

If I get the same problem with that card I gonna cry (And uninstall Daoc and never look back)

 

[Sycho]

I am pretty sure you will not, if you do pm me on these forums i have a friend who fixes/upgrades pcs and knows a great deal with problems such as those so can always ask him or direct him here.Skaven in the thread above has a fx5600 perhaps ask him how daoc runs on his pc with it, that card might even work and is cheaper.

 

[Honza]

FX 5600 and FX5700 are hardly comparable... FX 5200,5600 and 5800 have older version of GPU while FX 5700 and 5900 series have new one. Also, 5600 might be slightly cheaper than 5700, BUT thanks to worse technology it spreads much more waste heat and think it also has higher power consumption then 5700 model so finaly 5700 will be cheaper solution than 5600.
Also, 256 MB Ram on GFX has no much use nowadays. Rather get faster 128MB model than slow 256 MB model. OFC if you find models with same memory speed, more memory better than less memory ;-)

 

[[SS]Gamblor]

i'm nearly sure i read it on a patch note but ToA is designed to run with teh fx5200.

I had been running ToA on my own fx5200 and it ran fantastic

now though it's like running through butter :/

 

[Urme the Legend]

i'm nearly sure i read it on a patch note but ToA is designed to run with teh fx5200.

I had been running ToA on my own fx5200 and it ran fantastic

now though it's like running through butter :/

So your FX5200 ran okey with TOA .. but isn't anymore? Since 1.69 or did something else change? ..

Will try to get my money back tomorrow for my FX5200

 

[Skaven]

FX 5600 and FX5700 are hardly comparable... FX 5200,5600 and 5800 have older version of GPU while FX 5700 and 5900 series have new one.

So what is the diffrence in the two models then apart from the obvious speed diffrence? (5600/5700) I.e a newer GPU means?

 

[Honza]

So what is the diffrence in the two models then apart from the obvious speed diffrence? (5600/5700) I.e a newer GPU means?

newer gpu means 1. more performance with same frequency, 2. better technology -> less heating in your computer, there are prolly some other differences, but I am not aware of them.

 

[Klonk]

i never touched agp voltage.

Oh another thing, that have helped me. I tell the BIOS to let the OS handle IRQ´s.
This have helped me with some IRQ and bus bandwidth problems due to dual soundcards dual network cards etc.
I got some occasional "syrup" lag from that also and sound disturbances.

Setting allow os to handle IRQ assignment to YES in bios cracked that nut for me.

I did this too (see other thread) and I also upped the voltage on memory by one pip. Now I occasionally get thrown to desktop still, but once in a week compared to 5-6 times a day is a great improvement, and it's laggfree now too..

So try increase Memory Voltage one pip, and let OS assign IRQs in BIOS..

 

[emma]

Unfortunately you picked a naff gfx card. The FX 5200 seriers are renowned for there shitness. The fx5700-59xx cards are the only good cards from the FX range, but they still have poor directx (d3d) performance in comparison to previous generations of geforce cards and current generations.

If the card is new i`d advise returning it and getting a refund or exchange it for either a radeon 9700-9800 or pay a bit (alot really ;p) more and go for a geforce 6800.

Atleast with the latter you`ll be future proof from gfx card upgrades for a good 18 months or more.

DAoC is a directx based game so the most logical choice would be a Radeon 9xxx+ card. Very good DirectX support and they support dx9 functions which will mean lots of eye candy in games that use dx9 functions like pixel shader 2.0, Half-Life2, Farcry, Doom3 all use those functions. With some titles using the newer PixelShader 3.0 which is only available in the Geforce 6800 series.

If your on a limited budget and cand afford to spend a small fortune on one of the newer graphics cards i recommend the Radeon 9800 Pro which can be found for as little as £120 for the oem version.

http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=5915&source=ComputerPrices

If you can afford to go much higher i defenatly recommend going for one of the high end Geforce cards as there feature set is just that bit better than new Radeon x800 range.

The Geforce 6800 can be found for as little as £190 for the basic version.
http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=3663

or £220/£229 for the GT/Ultra versions.

GT: http://www.dabs.com/uk/productview?quicklinx=39TP
Ultra: http://www.gladiatorcomputers.com/support/index.php?page=22&code=GRAWINA400TDH

 

[noaim]

Dont buy FX5700, the 5900 is worth the extra money. FX5900 or Radeon 9800 Pro, just make sure the Radeon isnt one of the new versions with 128-bit memory bandwidth, you want 256-bit. I would go for the Radeon in your shoes.