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Xavier
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yep, BIIIIG problems with ATI drivers yet again, and it looks like ati are going to fail on their promises of 4 whql driver releases per year for cards like the 8500...
on the flipside nVidia seem to have the right idea - they've got one driver for all their cards which means they only have to concentrate on developing one set - they managed 11 revisions of driver in 2001, only one of which had any 'issues'
on the flipside nVidia seem to have the right idea - they've got one driver for all their cards which means they only have to concentrate on developing one set - they managed 11 revisions of driver in 2001, only one of which had any 'issues'
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All vid cards are the same when they first come out. Detnonators anyone? I think not!!! They were a pile S**T when they first came out
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Oh no there aren't bugs in ATi's leaked betas are there? God and I expected them to get them right first time
A lot of people have criticised ATi's lack of recent driver updates, but they also forget what season we have just passed through. Seems to be one rule for nVIDIA and another for ATi.
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No there is one rule for the leader of the pack and the group trying to catch
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The fact is, new hardware arrives... and its got a few tweaking problems. Software ones at that. WHATS THE BIG DEAL??? The new Radeon is MUCH cheaper than a GF3 Ti500 but gives a similar performance.
ATi will release decent drivers soon, so CHILL
Why people think Nvidia gets it right first time is crazy!!!! Cos they don't!
ATi will release decent drivers soon, so CHILL
Why people think Nvidia gets it right first time is crazy!!!! Cos they don't!
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No body said that Nvidia don't get it wrong but at the end of the day they're the current leader and if you wanna catch you better get it right otherwise you won't keep customers. A customer base which is still mainly loyal to Nvidia.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
Oh no there aren't bugs in ATi's leaked betas are there? God and I expected them to get them right first time
A lot of people have criticised ATi's lack of recent driver updates, but they also forget what season we have just passed through. Seems to be one rule for nVIDIA and another for ATi.
I'm more pointing to the fact that although the card has been out for some time there still aren't WHQL drivers available for the 8500 that support it's proprietary features that ATI boasted about at release...
Oh, and as to radeon 8500's performance I've had ATI Engineers admit to me that ATI we're aware of the hacks implemented in their drivers aimed directly at Quake 3 performance late last year when we went to Comdex... their lameness is supreme...
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I guess one thing is SURE. If ATi performance specs do not match what I get when I install it. Then they will lose many customers. Myself included! I currently have a DDR VIVO Radeon, the performance for that WAS what I expected. I will be suprised if ATi release hardware that does not match what they claim! Cos that would be really STUPID. Can you imagine the number of complaints???
I know they will exagerate the specs slightly, but so does Nvidia, and some of it is due to the PC set up!
Only time will tell us what the performance of the 8500 is REALLY like...
I know they will exagerate the specs slightly, but so does Nvidia, and some of it is due to the PC set up!
Only time will tell us what the performance of the 8500 is REALLY like...
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who needs time when you have a review:
http://nation.barrysworld.net/technation/reviews.php?section=3&index=51
http://nation.barrysworld.net/technation/reviews.php?section=3&index=51
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Cheers, interesting review... I think i'll wait and see what the performace reviews say about it with Released drivers!
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the above includes reviews of the WHQL drivers released with the card...
ATI sofar have failed to deliver never drivers that do anything apart from remove the hacks from Quake 3...
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ATI sofar have failed to deliver never drivers that do anything apart from remove the hacks from Quake 3...
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And improve performance across the board, enable SmoothVision, fix one or two issues across the board, etc.
ATi isnt alone with their drivers problems tho. Geforce 2 Go, been out for 8 months, drivers still buggy as hell, causing one or two major problems.
ATi isnt alone with their drivers problems tho. Geforce 2 Go, been out for 8 months, drivers still buggy as hell, causing one or two major problems.
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hmm, 'across the board' implies improvements in general, unfortunately that isn't the case, the newer revisions have serious issues with some of the core features of directx 8.1 which mean that sofar ati have been unsuccessful in getting new WHQL certification - ATI themselves admit that their driver cycle isn't going to be as originally stated as their original failing(drivers) it has improved but there's still a long way for ATI to go before they'll be a serious contender...
I know you're a loyal ATI peep bodhi m8, I don't have any problem with that at all, but you've gotta admit that ATI screwed the pooch with the whole quake/quack fiasco, the 8500 has proven that they're capable of producing top notch kit (I have one myself but it resides in a testing rig, my Ti500 is just better for my needs imo...) they just need to extract the digit and sort drivers pronto...
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The Quake/Quack fiasco didn't bother me in the slightest, as I dont have an 8500 and dont play Quake 3.
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cool, well you can continue to p1mp ATI then, after all if you don't have one of their current a-line products and haven't paid attention to what they've been up to over the last 12 months you're just the person to wave the ATI flag...
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I feel this is set to continue
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sorry m8, don't mean to start getting into an argument, tis just a little frustrating when someone takes things so personally, unless bodhi has started for ATI that is
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No. I just tend to ignore what nVIDIOTS such as yourself say, especially when its been said over and over again.
<nVidiot> Drivers drivers drivers
<bodhi> My ATi drivers work fine. You must just be a shit cunt.
<nVidiot> Drivers drivers drivers
<bodhi> My ATi drivers work fine. You must just be a shit cunt.
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lol
if you say so
if you say so
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Told you Xavier
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yeah, tis a pity but I guess it was inevitable
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Outbursts like that will stop come Wednesday when my exams are over. But I'm sure you can see how it would be annoying when people drivel on and on about a problem that is frequently blown out of all proportion. Sure ATi have their problems with drivers, but nVIDIA are far from perfect. And neither will reach the status of driver quality held by the mighty 3dfx. May they rest in peace.
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Gutted man, they are so comical!!!
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Fuck off cunt.
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Wij
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Isn't that the same argument you don't accept from us happy AMD owners ?
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bodhi
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No.
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Or... YES
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hmm, the fact that you say these problems are "blown out of all proportion" implies that you think that things such as:
ATI deliberately disabling texture detail/mipmap level settings within their openGL drivers which specifically identified Quake3
are an accident? yeah sure the quake 3 string 'appeared' in the drivers as a weird coincidence and it was nothing to do with a desperate attempt to steal some limelight during Ti500's release... It was just a coincidence that the ATI performed much better under quake 3 with these specific drivers - nothing to do with the shoddy image quality.
or how about the fact that:
four months after the radeon 8500's original evaluation. ATI still don't have WHQL driver certification for drivers that support all the features of their new products
well, going by bodhi's logic, Microsoft are obviously a bunch of nVidiots, they're deliberately failing the drivers ATI submit... after all they used an nVidia GPU in the XBox... Microsoft wouldn't have chosen nVidia for the fact that they are producing the fastest accelerators availabe - or because they're capable of delivering...
I mean that's blowing things out of proportion isn't it - people shell out for a card which they can't get guaranteed stable drivers for which support the features which would have at the end of the day influenced their decision... How dare they criticise ATI for selling them one thing and delivering another!
At present ATI have two massive problems, for one they develop each card as a new product, trying to reinvent the wheel each time, one benefit of the 'family' architecture that nVidia use is that all their GPU's use a unified driver, much more simple to develop/support. Their other main failing is that they're too keen to take on the competition at their own game, ATI are renowned for their exceptional image quality... yet when they produce a chip like the 8500 which is capable of visually surpassing the Geforce 3 Ti500 they hack and bodge to try and equal the framerate of the GeForce for 5 minutes of glory in the press...