New Coward Tactic for MID

[knighthood]

27th , 1-4pm

U mids today in bg1 , first off let me say GRATZ to only one of u, and thats RAKOND the dwarf healer who actually was about the only one of u complete pussies to actually melee me , and she won with 0% hp cos that sb had got me down with some BD spells on me too, was quite funny she won and i cheer her for that one..

but as for the rest of u ... what a bunch of lame players u really are, not the casters but every melee class i came across. Is all you can do STRAFE or RUN AWAY IN A CIRCLE , really ? is that the best skill u have. Cmon, your deffo buffed, 90% of us in bg1 are, and yet, even when ure grp still outnumbered ours and was winning you wont stand and fight..

Yeah for those of u i did manage to hit, i hit bloody hard, granted, but i also hit bloody slow even buffed. Sb run away, skald ran away , thane ran away...

Why ? u rolled your chars to just press up and left on the directional pads..

Fight me for gods sake pleeeeeeease, its hard enuf to catch up with u lot but at least gimme the dignity of fighting u fairly.. even 2 on 1 is better than /stick /face - sprint after u but still cant hit u with a style cos your chars lag through...

<Typical incoming posts of child mids saying SOMEONE GOT PWNED , well bollox to u cos i killed enuf today so it means nothing, im just sick of all the melee classes not bothering to melee >

POLEHARM 24 Half Ogre Halbedier

 

[Chronictank]

1) they might have been unbuffed, not all of us have a bb's And your 90% may hold true in alb but in mid its more like 40-60%. Realised after the first swing they werent gona win so ran off
2) They prolly thought u would have the usual 2fg stealther adds folowing you
3) They could have just come out of combat
There are endless possibilities, perhaps consider that instead of flame here

 

[knighthood]

1) they might have been unbuffed, not all of us have a bb's And your 90% may hold true in alb but in mid its more like 40-60%. Realised after the first swing they werent gona win so ran off
2) They prolly thought u would have the usual 2fg stealther adds folowing you
3) They could have just come out of combat
There are endless possibilities, perhaps consider that instead of flame here

1.) Fair do's , but i rarely come across unbuffed

2.) No thats a poor excuse, it was pretty obvious we didnt have 2fg or even a fg of staelthers with us cos it was the same mids wed been battling the last 2 hours. None of our grp was stealth either btw, Grp leader had a fascination with tank grps lol.. <prolly why we lost so much>

3.) No, from the start to finish EVERY mid <not counting casters, they got a right to run> ran away in a circle , strafed or just would not melee me, even when the rest of the caster/clerics in my grp were dead.

Look im not saying ure not allowed its your choices, its just hey, i garunteed if u rolled say, a 2handed warrior and i popped up as an infil strafing round u like a mofo and running away in circles ud get pretty peed off too.

I know its only bg1, but isnt there supposed to be honour amongst tanks..

I just wanna fair fight with someone wholl stand up to me

 

[Sendraks]

To be fair, if you're running with a group if you can kite and enemy tank long enough for your casters to nuke him then thats one approach.

More often than not, enemy tanks go for the casters, rather than other tanks. Makes sense to run around a bit looking for an enemy caster, even if you've got a tank on you, because you can kill them in a couple of hits and they can do the same to you. An enemy tank can't usually, so it pays to ignore them if they focus on you and nail the casters instead.

Of course, if you can get an enemy tank to just follow you around rather than having it attack your casters, this works almost as well as mezz.

Would be nice to get into more tank vs tank duels though.

 

[knighthood]

true i concede, after i made this some people started tanking me...
yay
then i saw why they dont lol, buffed i can 4 shot a tank lol >_<
some damn nice fights after that, and bloody hell, i never seen so many hib tanks in one place :O

 

[Chesnox]

Its not Mids being cowards. Its them being sensible. You see a Half-Ogre plate wielding freak with a polearm running at you, you leg it. Simple as that. No matter how I spec a warrior, and believe me there is really only 1 way to spec a warrior (other than weapon spec), I won't be able to toe to toe a Half-ogre thrust polearsman in bg1 (unless I got end and get some nice slammage off, but even then bg1 shield stun is v.v.short.)

Try spearos or LW specced heros. Mids can't spec 2h weapons so their 2h dmg is not as good as Albs/Hibs. Add to that our tanks are weak to thrust, and we are at a major disadvantage against other dmg dealing tanks. So we run whilst spamming /g with 'mezz fs'

 

[Sendraks]

Mids can't spec 2h weapons so their 2h dmg is not as good as Albs/Hibs.

Eh?
You realise to get our 2-H damage on a par with Middy damage we have to spec nearly twice as many points right?

Add to that our tanks are weak to thrust, and we are at a major disadvantage against other dmg dealing tanks.

Fortunately, not that many ALb tanks spec thrust or use thrust weapons that I know of. The majority are either slash or crush.

Mid tanks are hardly at a major disadvantage or even a slight disadvantage. Berserks and Savages do very, very, very respectable damage indeed.

 

[Naugi]

Mids can't spec 2h weapons so their 2h dmg is not as good as Albs/Hibs.

No no no. Midgard has the great advantage of being able to use the 1-hand or 2-hand version of any weapon just by speccing in the weapon type (eg Sword). In other words, someone with 20 in sword is specced to 20 in 1-handed swords and 20 in 2-handed swords. Theres no penalty to our damage because we arent specifically specced in 2-handed.

A Hibernian on the other hand needs to spec in blunt to use a 1-handed hammer and in Large Weapons to use a 2-handed hammer. As Sendraks says, they have to spend twice the points to be able to do the same thing as us. 20 in blunt for a 1-hand hammer and 20 in Large Weapons for a 2-hand hammer (total 40) whereas we get both 1-hand and 2-hand for a total of 20.

 

[Chesnox]

No no no. Midgard has the great advantage of being able to use the 1-hand or 2-hand version of any weapon just by speccing in the weapon type (eg Sword). In other words, someone with 20 in sword is specced to 20 in 1-handed swords and 20 in 2-handed swords. Theres no penalty to our damage because we arent specifically specced in 2-handed.

A Hibernian on the other hand needs to spec in blunt to use a 1-handed hammer and in Large Weapons to use a 2-handed hammer. As Sendraks says, they have to spend twice the points to be able to do the same thing as us. 20 in blunt for a 1-hand hammer and 20 in Large Weapons for a 2-hand hammer (total 40) whereas we get both 1-hand and 2-hand for a total of 20.

Yes yes yes. What I mean is, Mid is the only realm whose tanks that cannot specifically spec a 2h weapon. Sure, we get 2h spec for free, but our free 2h weapon dmg sucks compared to LW/Pole/CS.

So, Albs can have Polearmsmen, 2h Armsmen, S&S Armsmen or any combo thereof. Similarly Heroes can go LW/CS/S&S or hybrid. Warriors can really only spec 50weap/50shield/28 parry.

So. Warriors have the advantage that we get the free ghetto 2h spec. The price we pay is that we cannot spec for uber dmg. Both Armsmen and Heroes can forgo defense for more dmg than a warrior could ever deal. So. They spec for massively slow 2h thrust poles/spears. And hit us poor chain wearers like trucks.

This is not a whine, btw. I am happy with my warrior. But the guy asked why we don't toe to toe a HO pole specced armsman. A warrior would have to be pretty nuts or pretty lucky to survive a 1on1 against that in bg1.

 

[lpep]

never enough tanks to make it worth going to thid tbh.. thid is stealther/casters.. tanks just get nuked to death by caster zergs.. or jumped on by stealth zerg.........

 

[Naugi]

Yes yes yes. What I mean is, Mid is the only realm whose tanks that cannot specifically spec a 2h weapon.

Thats exactly what I said. Well not exactly, I said we dont need to specifically spec a 2-hand weapon because our main weapon spec is the same as speccing a 2-hand weapon.

Sure, we get 2h spec for free, but our free 2h weapon dmg sucks compared to LW/Pole/CS.

My Shadowblade (and a lot of others) use the 6.0 speed Mourning Rage 2-handed Axe and the damage it does is insane. I seriously doubt that theres any kind of penalty to the damage that thing produces and its sure as hell not in the 'ghetto' range as you call it. :worthy:

I've never seen or heard anything anywhere that says Midgard 2-hand weapon damage is any less than Hibernian or Albion 2-hand weapon damage. Where are you getting that from? Not flaming you, would just love to know if this is correct or not. Anyone?

 

[Chesnox]

Thats exactly what I said. Well not exactly, I said we dont need to specifically spec a 2-hand weapon because our main weapon spec is the same as speccing a 2-hand weapon.

My Shadowblade (and a lot of others) use the 6.0 speed Mourning Rage 2-handed Axe and the damage it does is insane. I seriously doubt that theres any kind of penalty to the damage that thing produces and its sure as hell not in the 'ghetto' range as you call it. :worthy:

I've never seen or heard anything anywhere that says Midgard 2-hand weapon damage is any less than Hibernian or Albion 2-hand weapon damage. Where are you getting that from? Not flaming you, would just love to know if this is correct or not. Anyone?

My point is it's not the same. By a long way. Its not just the fact that Pole/LW and CS provide more dmg output than the free Mid 2h spec (and they do), but also that these speccable lines in Alb and Hib have unique styles (e.g. when Armsmen spec pole, they get pole styles in addition to thier thrust/slash/crush weapon spec).

Taking Alb Poles as an example, most are positional or reactive styles which hurt like hell and are designed completely around the Armsman class (e.g. there won't be any "after you block, or after you evade" reactives in the Alb polearm line. In Midgard, 2h users (lets pick your shadowblade as an example) won't ever get off any parry or block reactives (since SBs don't parry and can't use shields with 2h weaps). As another example, take Skalds, most of whom use 2h weapons. They get no access to fire block reactives, meaning several styles in their weapon spec are useless.

So, Alb and Hib tanks who use Pole/LW/CS will outdmg any warrior in melee. Even if my warrior used a 6.0spd 2h, they would still outdmg me, since as soon as I go 2h, I not only lose my shield, but I lose all of the block reactive styles in my one and only weapon spec line (and since i've only got evade1 and a crappy parry spec, I pretty much lose all my reactive styles). So its me spamming my anytime styles, with a crap parry spec and no shield against a tank probably with higher parry than me specced specifically to put me in a world of pain. And they do.....

Clearer now?

PS: Every class will hit much harder with a 2h weapon, especially a 6.0spd. But as a warrior, I know that using 2h is only useful to frontload dmg and prolly only worth it on casters. Trying to toe to toe pole or spear wielding tanks with my 2h is asking politely for my ass to be handed right back at me. I know this from bitter experience.

 

[Naugi]

My point is it's not the same. By a long way.

I cant find any level 50 Mids online atm who agree with that <shrug>


The rest of course makes sense, although there are an awful lot of other factors to take into account (spec, armour quality, weapon quality, SCing, buffs and so on) so its not really possible to generalise that Mid tanks will be outdamaged by Hib/Alb tanks and therefore Mid warriors dont stand a chance.

But If I can kill a Pole wielding Half Ogre Armsman with my Shadowblade (without using PA or BS) then Im sure theres a lot of warriors that can kill them np too.

 

[Gesta]

2 hand troll warrior is one of the hardest hitters in the game, think they even have the best ws if i remember the ws tables correctly

 

[knighthood]

lol like i said i conceded earlier, cos sick as it was, and tbh i never knew it before cos i hadnt tried it, but he was right. Warriors i fought head to head went down like a sack of spuds, but then i spose it helps that if your 2handed yourself you get a big minus to parry a 2handed wep. Even unbuffed my dmg is stupidly good with sc, though tbh i was buffed up for most of the night.

Btw im slash, there is no 6.0 spd thrust wep pole

But he is right about warriors having the highest wep skill in game i think, it also helps that at 50 a warrior could go 50wep 50parry if he wanted to use a 2hander , which is quite sick but parrys still bugged in RvR so ..

Remeber though, in terms of overal dmg a warrior probably outdmg us overal in RvR in terms of time based dmg, and if i fumble with my pole i got like a 10 second delay b4 i can hit again >_< , thats nastier than a strafing sb

 

[knighthood]

But If I can kill a Pole wielding Half Ogre Armsman with my Shadowblade (without using PA or BS) then Im sure theres a lot of warriors that can kill them np too. [/QUOTE]

^ with the strafing tactic so our 6.0 spd delay is "U cannot see your target every attempt lol"

which btw /face /stick does not help shit against if u got the slightest bit of lag

hehe

 

[Vindicator]

My point is it's not the same. By a long way. Its not just the fact that Pole/LW and CS provide more dmg output than the free Mid 2h spec (and they do), but also that these speccable lines in Alb and Hib have unique styles (e.g. when Armsmen spec pole, they get pole styles in addition to thier thrust/slash/crush weapon spec).
.

Ok where did all this Clueless information come from? You are absolutely 100% positively Wrong on pretty much everything you say. Do you have any idea on Class mechanic's ? Class specs ? Style Growth Rates ? patch notes of listed class WS increase's ?

There is so much wrong with your post but I guess I'll start here. A Mid Warrior lets say A Norseman with 340 buffed str < for example here> and a Highlander Arms with 340 str also and a Celt with 340 str also. They all have the same quickness, They all spec 50 in Slash / Sword / Blades respectively and hit the Same Target, with same resist's and armor etc. Guess who hits the hardest ? The Warrior Will. For 1 simple reason. They are given a 6% base increase in Weapon skill beyond that of the hero and the Armsman. The more weapon skill you have the more Damage you do, in laymans terms and not put as it exactly should be but easier to clarify this way.

So to say that you think a mid 2h does less dmg than Alb Polearm and hib CS/ LW is complete bull shit and I wouldnt mind but your so clueless about having the best Main tank with most Utility. Alb's have to double spec 50 + a base weapon to 50. It can be in the form of 50 Pole arm 39 Weapon Damage + 11 Items. < once it hits 50 thats fine> to do the same equivalent damage as a Mid with 50 Sword AND the Warrior has both 1h and 2h styles, doesnt lose any WS when going 1h /2h. When the Alb goes 1h he will have spec lvl 39 + 11 ws. which is a huge Difference meaing its harder to penetrate Guard / block / parry and There Flat out Damage over time.

here's a Thread on Double speccing were somebody actually did test's and not just decided that they wer right and 2h in mid sucked.

http://www.meatshield.com/boards/sh...er=2613&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Taking Alb Poles as an example, most are positional or reactive styles which hurt like hell and are designed completely around the Armsman class (e.g. there won't be any "after you block, or after you evade" reactives in the Alb polearm line. In Midgard, 2h users (lets pick your shadowblade as an example) won't ever get off any parry or block reactives (since SBs don't parry and can't use shields with 2h weaps). As another example, take Skalds, most of whom use 2h weapons. They get no access to fire block reactives, meaning several styles in their weapon spec are useless.
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HAHAHA, Ye just this Style

Defenders Rage - Your opponent must be stupid enough to style on a 2400+ hp tank in plate first instead of that soft squishy Sorc. Then you may swing for 6s and might land your shitty 2nd move in Chain Poleaxe which does less damage and twice as much end.

As for Skalds not getting Block reactives off? Ask Zoia how to . It's knowning when and how to. As for Sb's? awwww they dont have enough moves to use with CS spec / LA spec / Sword spec ? The fact that Garrote has such a huge growth rate that you would have to be retarded not to use them instead of an uber Block move!

Polearm Line Still sucks. The Anytime move while having a great snare does shit damage and is 1 of the lowest Anytimers for most Class's. A 2nd in Chain 9s stun is great but in the age of Shield tanks / pbt / BG you wont land it all that often now will you . As opposed to a Warrior who can spam his Rear Snare move or a Hero who can use his 9s Rear stun move which is an anytimer to anybody who has a clue about playing a tank

So, Alb and Hib tanks who use Pole/LW/CS will outdmg any warrior in melee. Even if my warrior used a 6.0spd 2h, they would still outdmg me, since as soon as I go 2h, I not only lose my shield, but I lose all of the block reactive styles in my one and only weapon spec line (and since i've only got evade1 and a crappy parry spec, I pretty much lose all my reactive styles). So its me spamming my anytime styles, with a crap parry spec and no shield against a tank probably with higher parry than me specced specifically to put me in a world of pain. And they do.....

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Wrong again here. The Warrior offers the most Damage output of all the Main tanks with his 2h \o/. Thanks to Mythic who thought warriors wer boring and ther players need a reward for playing them by giving them a passive ability which doesnt make the class any more exciting! While Armsmen got Plate, which Chain + evade 1 when fully buffed was shown to be more effective at damage absorb, and hibs got 30 mins 'Target me beacuse im going down anyway' m00se mode . Which can be handy but once ever 30mins is a bit silly . Awww you lose your shield and parry chance when you go 2h ? well guess what? The Alb lose's his Shield and parry chance 2 and he has much less chance to block / parry when he does equip it anyway because he cant get 50 shield 50 weapon 28 parry. So landing slam can get harder ^^. If you just spam your anytimes all the time no wonder you think you do shit damage.

These wise words suit you down to a tee mate.

" A Bad Worksman Blames his Tool's"

But he is right about warriors having the highest wep skill in game i think, it also helps that at 50 a warrior could go 50wep 50parry if he wanted to use a 2hander , which is quite sick but parrys still bugged in RvR so ..

Nope Parry and Block were fixed.

But If I can kill a Pole wielding Half Ogre Armsman with my Shadowblade (without using PA or BS) then Im sure theres a lot of warriors that can kill them np too.

^ with the strafing tactic so our 6.0 spd delay is "U cannot see your target every attempt lol"

which btw /face /stick does not help shit against if u got the slightest bit of lag

hehe[/QUOTE]

/face them and walk backwards. Problem Solved mate. If they are out of range to hit. Great, you get your swing time bonus back as ther not hitting you either.

 

[Naugi]

with the strafing tactic so our 6.0 spd delay is "U cannot see your target every attempt lol"

I dont strafe.

I use /stick before a fight and I dont unstick until me or what Im fighting drops dead, simple as that.

I hate strafing tbh and more and more people are doing it as an instant reaction to getting hit. Almost everything I attack starts spinning around like crazy trying to avoid hits. Doesnt do them any good, they probably just get the 'you were strafing in combat and miss!' message and therefore make my job easier.



It just makes me dizzy while I hit my Sword chain moves and watch my poison tick on them. It also makes the fight last longer, which is a mistake on their part, as it allows me to hit them with a second lot of level 25 DoT venom (2 lots of that can do 300+ damage) after the first lot has stopped ticking.

 

[GrafenburgMerc]

27th , 1-4pm

but as for the rest of u ... what a bunch of lame players u really are, not the casters but every melee class i came across. Is all you can do STRAFE or RUN AWAY IN A CIRCLE , really ? is that the best skill u have. Cmon, your deffo buffed, 90% of us in bg1 are, and yet, even when ure grp still outnumbered ours and was winning you wont stand and fight..

POLEHARM 24 Half Ogre Halbedier

Let me tell you exactly the way it is...

I have both a skald, thane and warrior at lvl 24 and fully twinked. I doubt the skald would have high enough wep skill to take a HO polearm. The thane would actually stand a chance cos specced full hammer (pwned a twinked/buffed merc solo). The warrior is a totally different story and I would put my money on him winning 90% of the time.

The warrior has higher defence (in max shield spec) and hits just as hard, my warrior never lost solo to any melee class and prolly never will (although Sandler came very close a couple of times /salute).

Herculean - 24 Warrior
Herculus - 24 Thane
Herculon - 24 Skald

Thid SB, Shammy, Zerker and Axe Savage all capped and deleted

 

[Chesnox]

Naugi: I didn;t say that Alb & Hib tanks always hit harder than warriors. They don't. In fact out of all heavy tanks specced 50shield, 50weap, the warrior will hit hardest (with 1h) due to warriors higher WS.

Naugi: Without using strafing/run through, I doubt that any SB will be able to toe to toe a slash specced Polearman, presuming both were buffed/unbuffed and both had comparable quality equipment/SC etc..

Gesta: A 2h troll warrior does indeed hit hard, but so does a pole specced HO armsman, or a Firbolg Spearo. My point was, and is, alb and hib tanks specced that way will hit harder than any troll warrior using a 2h weapon.

Vindicator: You shot yourself in the foot on your post mate. You should read what I said. All I ever said is that a Pole specced Armsman or a CS/LW Hero will hit harder than a warrior swinging 2h. I never said that sword and shield versions on Alb/Hib tanks will hit harder than sword/shield warriors. I didn't even mention the utility that hybrid tanks give up to spec for that dmg output at all. Thats not what this thread is about. Read What I said before you tell me I'm clueless or its BS.

Ok, i'll either have to do some tests myself, or just roll over, because I cba searching VN or anything. If you guys think that Warriors not only have the highest heavy tank 1h dmg (due to highest WS) but also have 2h dmg that is as high as polearmsmen or spearos then you are just plain wrong. Prove me wrong, and I'll humbly apologise to you. I cba proving it because I know (unless theyv'e nerfed poles and/or celtic spear) that offensively specced armsmen and heroes hit harder than warriors (using 2h).

 

[Sendraks]

Vindicator: You shot yourself in the foot on your post mate. You should read what I said. All I ever said is that a Pole specced Armsman or a CS/LW Hero will hit harder than a warrior swinging 2h. I never said that sword and shield versions on Alb/Hib tanks will hit harder than sword/shield warriors. I didn't even mention the utility that hybrid tanks give up to spec for that dmg output at all. Thats not what this thread is about. Read What I said before you tell me I'm clueless or its BS.

I will agree that what you said later on in the thread is that Alb Pole and Hib Spear will hit harder than 2-H. However, they will also hit harder than their respective realms 2-H lines as well, so this is hardly a revelation.

It doesn't detract from the fact that an Albion Polearm user will still have to spend points in polearm and damage type style line to actually meet Mid 2-h for damage. Yes they will eventually exceed the damage of the Mids, but will have spent a lot of points to do so.

And what you originally said, which is what prompted the direction this thread took was....

Mids can't spec 2h weapons so their 2h dmg is not as good as Albs/Hibs.

Which is what prompted me to responding saying no, this is wrong and this has been supported by the other posts in this thread.

In all fairness, you don't see Polearms that much these days, largely because S/S for Armsmen is more popular and the front loaded damage of Pole is largely offset by the fact that its about 3 weeks between hits. Albion 2-H is a much, much, much better style line, with some very funky positions. The anytime styles kinda suck, low to hit and all that, but they are still better off than pole users.

 

[Naugi]

Naugi: Without using strafing/run through, I doubt that any SB will be able to toe to toe a slash specced Polearman, presuming both were buffed/unbuffed and both had comparable quality equipment/SC etc..

I doubt the one I killed was very good.

I only made the point that its possible (and it is because Ive done it) so that perhaps Midgard Warriors (who have a much better chance than me) wont feel that they must flee for their lives the second a Pole wielding Half Ogre Armsman appears on the horizon, as you seem to suggest.

Its a sad state of affairs when Warriors are running from fights because they might be outdamaged, especially in Thidranki. Warriors should be tearing into everything doing as much damage as they can before they drop imo.

You sound like the Cowardly Lion, good luck finding your courage.

 

[knighthood]

odd, i thought if u moved in any direction on the keypad when /stick or /face it breaks the command, therfor making walking backwards pointless.. not that ive tested it with /face.

Also on a slightly related bit of stuff about running, reavers back style is supposed to have extended range for hitting someone in the back, but it doesnt reach when u /stick someone and they r running, same as if i sprint after them with manual control and pass through thier body its nigh on impossible to land a style, even when theyre snared :/ but i think this may be due to my 56k connection lol.

guess ill have to hire me a mincer or sorc

 

[Bloodaxe_Springskalle]

1.) Fair do's , but i rarely come across unbuffed

how can you tell if 90% is buffed when you don't get to fight anyone?

 

[Chronictank]

Think i have only ever fought 1 half ogre polearm wielding solo'er ever, that was on my hunter and i won cus i got enuff arrows to put you to 50% before you came to melee me .
I dont run unless im ooe, or see adds inc even then ill empty some of my quiver and stick a pet on u before i run off
Dont play thid nowdays busy working on my shammy to get fop, might drop in some time and duel you.
/mil
Sirrus Unbuffed Hunter

 

[Chesnox]

I doubt the one I killed was very good.

Its a sad state of affairs when Warriors are running from fights because they might be outdamaged, especially in Thidranki. Warriors should be tearing into everything doing as much damage as they can before they drop imo.

You sound like the Cowardly Lion, good luck finding your courage.

You shoud play a warrior in bg1 instead of an SB then ;p

Seriously, you are way off target if you think 'warriors should be tearing into everything' in bg1. Try playing one. If you're not mezzed, stunned, or nuked before you can actually engage enaything in melee you'll be taken down by the alb stealth zerg or pincushioned by the 28 fotm scouts lurking behind every tree.

More seriously, I am not a cowardly player. But I am a player who knows which fights I can win, and which fights I probably can't. I don't think I'm superman who can win everything, because I know I can't. As a non-stealther I havn't got the luxury of picking and choosing my fights so I have to work alot harder than stealthers to stay alive and make any RP in bg1. If a tank meets a stealther grp or a caster grp you got a dead tank. And guess which grps dominate bg1 in these pre-NF days.....

My advice is roll a warrior, go play bg1. Cap out solo, then come back and we can carry on this conversation.

 

[Wirey]

arent u forgetting a sb in mid? i was one of the only mids taking clerics/casters down in fg's alone and amazingly surviving

and against the hibs,? i think most mids dont want to die but their destination is to die:] so what the heck as long as i get a kill i'm happy to die

 

[Naugi]

You shoud play a warrior in bg1 instead of an SB then ;p

Dont assume that if I played a Warrior I would play it like you.

For the record every class in my signature has been to at least 1 battleground. The Zerker and Thane have been to 3 of them. My characters do not run away from fights. Im not afraid to die in a battleground.

I think Im fine with the class I am, you're the one that needs to rethink how you are playing your class, you posted this:

But as a warrior, I know that using 2h is only useful to frontload dmg and prolly only worth it on casters.

Do you know which class is suppoed to hide from tanks and hit casters with 2-handed weapons? Shadowblade.

I didnt think I would ever see a warrior post that his 2-handed weapon is only for fighting casters with. As a warrior, you could hit casters with a bronze training sword and kill them. 2-handed weapons were designed for better things and in the hands of a warrior should be used for better things.

Youre probably a huge Troll with an insane amount of hp and massive strength, and yet here you are blubbing like a little Lurikeen because the big nasty Half Ogre hurts your pixels so much.

Imo, as a Warrior, you are a coward.

 

[Vindicator]

Vindicator: You shot yourself in the foot on your post mate. You should read what I said. All I ever said is that a Pole specced Armsman or a CS/LW Hero will hit harder than a warrior swinging 2h. I never said that sword and shield versions on Alb/Hib tanks will hit harder than sword/shield warriors. I didn't even mention the utility that hybrid tanks give up to spec for that dmg output at all. Thats not what this thread is about. Read What I said before you tell me I'm clueless or its BS.

Ok, i'll either have to do some tests myself, or just roll over, because I cba searching VN or anything. If you guys think that Warriors not only have the highest heavy tank 1h dmg (due to highest WS) but also have 2h dmg that is as high as polearmsmen or spearos then you are just plain wrong. Prove me wrong, and I'll humbly apologise to you. I cba proving it because I know (unless theyv'e nerfed poles and/or celtic spear) that offensively specced armsmen and heroes hit harder than warriors (using 2h).

Did you even read my post? I read your post and Delievered the Information. You said that a warrior with 2h will not hit as hard as a Polearms / CS / LW hero or Arms. You are Wrong, Read through the post I linked. How you can tell me to read your post again when you didnt even read mine is beyond me. 2nd page of that post he goes on to compare a Troll warrior to a highlander Polearms. Armsmen have to spend 2700ish points to get the same variance that a Warrior with 50 in weapon enjoys AND on top of that, they have a 6% ws increase so they do move damage. Whether thats 1h or 2h doesnt matter, you said 2h they did less damage when in reality when faced with a Hybrid arms < most common Spec these days > they have better variance + that 6% ws

Please pull up all the test's you want to try back up your own opnion, I have given you my proof. Not Trying to insult you but your really making some clueless statements.

 

[Chesnox]

Dont assume that if I played a Warrior I would play it like you.

For the record every class in my signature has been to at least 1 battleground. The Zerker and Thane have been to 3 of them. My characters do not run away from fights. Im not afraid to die in a battleground.

I think Im fine with the class I am, you're the one that needs to rethink how you are playing your class, you posted this:

Do you know which class is suppoed to hide from tanks and hit casters with 2-handed weapons? Shadowblade.

I didnt think I would ever see a warrior post that his 2-handed weapon is only for fighting casters with. As a warrior, you could hit casters with a bronze training sword and kill them. 2-handed weapons were designed for better things and in the hands of a warrior should be used for better things.

Youre probably a huge Troll with an insane amount of hp and massive strength, and yet here you are blubbing like a little Lurikeen because the big nasty Half Ogre hurts your pixels so much.

Imo, as a Warrior, you are a coward.

Wow. You've been to 3 bgs! What A WHOLE 3!

Wow, you're really the kinda guy I should be taking advice from.

Mate, just because you treat bg1 as your little playground and think its all about 1on1 macho man bollocks, don't presume to tell me thats how I should, or how I want to play. Child.