Advice New advice drink less

[Moriath]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-35255384

I mean we all know its not that good for us but will this make any difference and is it another case of nanny state ?

 

[Bodhi]

First they came for the smokers.........

Saw this this morning and just rolled my eyes really, just more advice from the fun police I will be studiously ignoring.

 

[Zarjazz]

Pregnant women should drink no alcohol at all.
No amount of alcohol is beneficial.
In fact there is no safe amount of alcohol, just a guide to keep the risks low.
Avoid binge drinking, avoid drinking every day.

That's hardly a nanny state, just sensible guidelines.

 

[Deebs]

First they came for the smokers.........

Saw this this morning and just rolled my eyes really, just more advice from the fun police I will be studiously ignoring.

Then the butter eaters, then the bacon eaters, then the <insert whatever>

 

[Moriath]

They are also talking abput sugar tax. Was reported that cameron wasnt ruling that put today or something.

Its like they want everyone to be cardboard brown and live a boring safe life. Until you all get demetia and end up in care homes that they cant afford to fund.

Trpuble iswith so called guidelines is that the doctors and everyone use them to batter you with. And i am guessing could be used as rods to not give you certain treatments if you dont comply.

If it was just here you go this is what you should be doing but its up to you then it wouldnt be so bad.

 

[Fweddy]

I imagine you've all sworn off the drink all ready but just in case there are some rebellious deviants here willing to ignore government advice in the face of evidence, this may be worth a quick read.

 

[Scouse]

Just a reminder that this is the puritanical tories

 

[Bodhi]

Aye cos the puritains only started sticking their noses in to what we are doing in May last year

 

[Tom]

I invite anyone to take a look at a ward in any hospital that specialises in alcohol-related problems. Look at all the young people with yellow skin and ask yourself if the government's advice is silly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20726458

Or you could just go to a city hospital on a Friday night. I've seen both, it isn't pretty. In fact it's downright depressing.

 

[Shagrat]

But again that's a parenting issue, not a legislative issue.

If parents bring up their children to properly understand alcohol etc. and not go out and get absolutely blasted every Friday night (which seems to be an anglo saxon trait) then that'll sort it.

We've all had our wild nights I'm sure, and periods of our youth when we drank too much, but not to stomach-pump, unconsciousness etc.

It's the same with smoking/drugs/sugar/whatever its parents responsibility to educate their children to approach all of these things responsibly, not government/mumsnets job to ban everything thats bad for you in excess

 

[Bodhi]

From C.S Lewis...

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

Seems to be getting more relevant by the day.....

 

[Moriath]

I invite anyone to take a look at a ward in any hospital that specialises in alcohol-related problems. Look at all the young people with yellow skin and ask yourself if the government's advice is silly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20726458

Or you could just go to a city hospital on a Friday night. I've seen both, it isn't pretty. In fact it's downright depressing.

That nothing to do with the guidelines tho. The 21 unit thing has been put for decades and made no difference so why should this.

 

[Raven]

I invite anyone to take a look at a ward in any hospital that specialises in alcohol-related problems. Look at all the young people with yellow skin and ask yourself if the government's advice is silly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20726458

Or you could just go to a city hospital on a Friday night. I've seen both, it isn't pretty. In fact it's downright depressing.

Yes, its silly. Nothing at all wrong with drinking a moderate amount or getting pissed now and again.

The new guidelines are ultra hand wringing and for most people can be ignored.

 

[Edmond]

They'll never take my butter from me....!!!

 

[Lamp]

Life's meant to be enjoyed
You sure as heck can't when you're dead
So, drink your wine and eat your cake and bacon

Cheers

 

[Job]

Hmm government guidelines, don't lose any sleep over them.

 

[Trem]

It's scary that people get paid good money to conduct these trials. Fuck off.

You know what, you rightly can't smoke in your car with children (which nimrods needed that explaining?) but it is still perfectly legal for pregnant women to smoke before having their reason for a tattoo.

 

[Tom]

I'm just saying that this country has a big alcohol problem and that the kind of overreaction we're seeing to these new guidelines is evidence of that.

Anyway, wine is fucking rank. I don't know how people can drink it, it all tastes like sugarless salted Vimto. Horrid.

 

[Scouse]

Gonna be the balanced voice of reason here.

Yep, they're guidelines - as long as they don't become more than that then that's A-OK. If they're backed by scientific evidence that is, if not then government can GTFO. But I suspect that there is some science behind it (the register aside).

The alcohol problems we have in the UK are down to cultural issues more than anything else. Our prohibitive British nature is exactly the sort of thing that kids rebel against - so more restrictive guidelines are likely to have the opposite effect apart from for a very sheep-like few. It's just like cannabis use went up when they toughened the classification from B to A.

The French, on the other hand, have a lot less of an issue than we do. And they don't have any guidelines at all. Alcohol isn't seen as a "big deal" over there - because it's not as prohibited as it is over here. They also have a better work ethic than us (i.e. less work is good) so they've more time to enjoy at a relaxed pace. Whereas the pressure cooker that is the UK means that we go nuts when we've got the time to make up for the shitness that has been the week.

If we want to deal with the alcohol problem in the UK then we legislate less and give people more free time.

But as the corporations won't like that, we'll just ineffectively legislate even more and end up working like the chinese...


Oh and @Tom. You must drink some shit wine to say wine is rank. A lot is, of course. But some is fantastic.

 

[Trem]

Oh and @Tom. You must drink some shit wine to say wine is rank. A lot is, of course. But some is fantastic.

A good Rioja is sublime. I had some bought me once and stupidly threw the bottle away and didn't take note of it. That was amazing.

 

[Tom]

Sorry but they're all AIDS. I've tried them all, they're all rank.

 

[DaGaffer]

I invite anyone to take a look at a ward in any hospital that specialises in alcohol-related problems. Look at all the young people with yellow skin and ask yourself if the government's advice is silly.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20726458

Or you could just go to a city hospital on a Friday night. I've seen both, it isn't pretty. In fact it's downright depressing.

Oh boo hoo. It was ever thus, and here's the thing; alcohol consumption in the UK is in continuous decline; the UK is now down to about 25th (when I was growing up it was top five; a century ago it was top One). A fifth of the country's pubs have gone in just the last 10 years. The "problem" is fixing itself.

 

[DaGaffer]

Sorry but they're all AIDS. I've tried them all, they're all rank.

I think that says more about you than the merits or otherwise of wine

 

[Raven]

The wine probably isn't beige enough.

 

[Trem]

I did sit by my dad and watched him drown in his own fluids due to alcohol, right to the end, to the last breathe. It was horrendous. He drank continuously from late 20's starting on Special Brew (I mean it was his drink if he woke in the night thirsty) and then moving onto vodka and whisky/whiskey. Continuous drinking remember. He died at 59. Before he died he had pancreattitis several times which then meant he was a diabetic. That caused him lots of pain. Didn't stop him drinking though.

 

[soze]

I have tried wine including some that was about £1500 a bottle at a clients house and I have never tried any I like. The Client deals in fine wines and I was there looking at his IT system while he was having a tasting day for some rich folks. I got to try a fair few back stage and not one of them was good enough to replace JD and Coke as my drink of choice.

 

[Scouse]

JD and Coke as my drink of choice.

That shows more about your palete than the dislike of wine tbh.

But in many ways you're right - when you start paying over a certain amount for wine whenever actual blind-taste-test science has been done the "experts" can't tell it apart.

However, you do get cheap and nasty and can pay up to a certain amount to get a very nice drink. But if it's not to your taste, it's not to your taste...

 

[Trem]

Jack Daniels with anything or on it's own is disgusting over rated gloop.

Of course all of this is personal tastes and no one is right or wrong.

 

[caLLous]

That shows more about your palete than the dislike of wine tbh.

But in many ways you're right - when you start paying over a certain amount for wine whenever actual blind-taste-test science has been done the "experts" can't tell it apart.

However, you do get cheap and nasty and can pay up to a certain amount to get a very nice drink. But if it's not to your taste, it's not to your taste...

I'm right in "table wine" country down here, you can get bottles of very good stuff straight from the vineyards/cooperatives that cost less than € 4. Of course you can also get bottles of piss that cost 3+ times as much but the rosé and red that I go back to every year are lovely.

 

[Edmond]

I don't really drink anymore, simply because I have taken a dislike to it, I just don't enjoy drinking, but even when I did I never drank beer/lager as I found it too bitter, and I too have never liked any type of wine, be it red, white or the fizzy stuff. They all burn my throat as they go down, as do all neat spirits.

I recently had some of the Stella 'Cidre' which I liked, but I could only drink one bottle before I felt i'd had enough. I wasn't pissed, just felt a bit rough

In my youth the only drink I did like (sorry @Trem ) was JD & Coke, I could drink it till the cows came home, and I never really got that drunk or got bad hangovers, because that's all I drank, I didn't mix it up at all with other drinks, simply because I didn't like anything else