Nerf Tyka

[old.Odysseus]

You hit Tyka for 162 (-293)

I hate that >_<

 

[Tyka]

64% spirit resists, 100% with baod xDDD

Btw i hit for same amount when fighting albs, kind of.

 

[old.m0000]

they really need to put hib resists on lines where they'd be gimp to have over blue/yellow resists (like alb)

Infact I can't even remember the last time I had yellow or above resists.

 

[Khalen]

Debuffs guys.... debuffs.... the tools of a god!!

 

[Apathy]

Currently the tools of a spirit cabalist, for theurgists.

a.
*

 

[old.Odysseus]

My kingdom for a spirit cabalist debuff bot.

 

[Apathy]

Respec to ice and let a sorcerer take care of it for you.

a.
*

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by old.m0000
they really need to put hib resists on lines where they'd be gimp to have over blue/yellow resists (like alb)

Infact I can't even remember the last time I had yellow or above resists.

the resists wardens have is a bit to easy to get since you have PBT there aswell.

But druids and clerics are pretty equal.

 

[Apathy]

PBT should be moved the the Mentalist Mentalism line.

a.
*

 

[old.Filip]

PBT should be moved the the Mentalist Mentalism line.

YA !!!!

or at least there should be a heal line in theug earth line ... alb really really need healing ...

last nigth 1 out 16-20 ppl in rvr was clrs (buff bots dont count)

i think i waitet 60-90 min for avaliable clr untill we moved out without.. got killed by 2fg (rg's i think) then

/quit and play age of myth/war 3

 

[Apathy]

Nah, Earth line should have GTAoE or and AoE DD/snare.

Or just SOMETHING!

a.
*

 

[Amadon]

how would they have enough mana to do anything if they had something to do?

 

[Brennik]

Let's see what the usual resist buffs in the various realms should look like...

Hibernia:
- wardens should have all their resists at 24%: body/spirit/energy
- druids WILL NOT have higher than the 16% ones: heat/cold/matter

Albion:
- friars mostly stop at 47 Enhance? that would explain something, anyway the resists in question: 24% heat, 16% cold/matter
- clerics WILL NOT have higher than the 16% ones: body/spirit/energy

Midgard:
- shaman... how do you spec one? Aug/Mend one could get the top-end buffs and the second tier resists at 16%, but is this happening?: heat/cold/matter
- healer... I just hope the trend with Pac/Mend continues Aug/Meng WILL NOT have higher than 16% ones (same as other primary healers): body/spirit/energy

So how does this relate to damage then?

The "best possible" weapons against Hibs: heat/cold/matter (fire/ice wizzie, cabbie dots, d0rkness RM, shammy dots).

The "best possible" against Albs: anything except heat (anything except light menta and Hib baseline nukes).

The "best possible" against Mids: anything goes really.

Here's where the going gets rough: debuffs...

Hib: heat/cold/matter debuffs readily available (mana chanter), spirit/energy/body are "a bit" more rare (void eld).

Alb: heat/cold/matter should *in theory* be readily available (body sorc), spirit/energy/body... good luck finding a Spirit specced cabbie

Mid: heat/cold/matter (RC runies). By the amount of GTAOE I run into at each keep, I'd say they're readily available As for spirit/energy/body, I guess d0rkness SMs aren't really "flavour of the month"...

In conclusion, Hibs are the best off here, they can usually debuff ALL damage resistances (sure, we can argue on how many void elds are still playing, but still) AND chanter can debuff their own baseline damage. Notice that Albs should be able to *easily debuff their primary damage types*, but as sorcs don't have a baseline nuke, they need to debuff for other people (same applies for void elds though). Mids probably come the last in here, except RC runies are a tough cookie.

Let's see how many "too long, didn't read, but I'll farm still" posts we get in this thread

 

[old.Odysseus]

A hib that admits hib have an advantage??? nerf.

Atm mids have an advantage with all them relics though.

 

[Eleasias]

Originally posted by old.m0000
they really need to put hib resists on lines where they'd be gimp to have over blue/yellow resists (like alb)

ding ding ding! we have the winner of the retard award! wardens spec nurture above 45 (last pbt) just for the resists, and druids dont have the top resist buffs most of the time.

ie. same as alb

 

[Apathy]

Yes, but considering even I can nuke them for around 400, they are welcome to them.

a.
*

 

[Cronn]

I read and it was very interesting too, I have top cold resist on my friar though at 48 enhance, 49 enhance is the matter resist and it isn't used often enough in RvR to sacrifice other areas for.

 

[old.Filip]

nice post brennik ..

im impressed ...

Filip
Minser of HB

 

[Amadon]

(sure, we can argue on how many void elds are still playing, but still)

isn't your whole post about the numbers available who have the tools required at hand? the numbers of void eldies available who RvR outside of keep defense is tiny, and thus very pertinant to your post, not just an aside.
We are lucky in having LOADS of mana chanters who can debuff most of the useful damage types. However you didn't mention that ice wizzies get a 10% or 15% cold AE debuff along with a pbae which does cold damage. Hibs pbae damage is energy and we only have a single target energy debuff in void, which is very rare to find.
Anyway, we have the largest number of useful resist debuffers, no argument there.
Imo, Mythic should make resist buffs have a diminishing return above 26% and make resist debuffs have a similar diminishing return below 0% (or maybe 10% or something)
eg:
0% debuffed by 50% gives -16%
26% debuffed by 50% gives -12%
50% debuffed by 50% gives 0%

 

[Brennik]

Yes, that's the point. Too many chanters, so we have the numbers . The other point: Albs have the tools, but the average Joe is just rolling fire wizzies...

And yes, body sorc can debuff their baseline matter dot, but that's not quite comparable.

THAT is the reason the chanter TL is trying to get the debuffs moved to the pet line (like cabby). The other option is moving the cabby debuffs out of the pet line and I don't want cabbies to get to debuff their own body lifetaps Besides, it will "gimp" the Mana line, thus forcing Mythic to take a bloody look at the speclines and hopefully giving people something useful. More options = good. (Tying this in with the "wtf is the mentalist TL trying to get dots nerfed" thread on the Hib boards).

 

[Cronn]

Originally posted by Amadon
However you didn't mention that ice wizzies get a 10% or 15% cold AE debuff along with a pbae which does cold damage.

Umm no, Wizzies have a single target 10% colddebuff/dd and a 10% AE heat debuff/dd

I think...

 

[ricky_latino]

cant say that friars have a harder time specing for those resist buffs then wardens... they get their selfbuffs there allso

its not like dark SMs, or "Darkcarvers" are gimp, I dont think a sipirit cabalist debuffing for hes lifetap would be either if you realy like debuffing you own dam type...
but the truth is that it burns mana like a motherfucker, and someone with a spec nuke can nuke ALOT more then you can before going oom, not to mention the debuff lasts 7 seconds (7sec's) witch is affected by determination, and can be countered easy by purge as the debuff has a 15sec recast timer

 

[ricky_latino]

Originally posted by Cronn
Umm no, Wizzies have a single target 10% colddebuff/dd and a 10% AE heat debuff/dd

I think...

hmhm I think thats dark RMs

 

[Apathy]

Originally posted by ricky_latino
and someone with a spec nuke can nuke ALOT more then you can before going oom

Bollocks. If the spec and base nuke are in the same line (Like the sorc lifetap/nuke.) then both can be spammed with impunity.

Resist debuffs are NOT affected by Determination. That affects only CC spells...sheesh. However, they are affected by the damage type they are on. My resist debuffs are 15s but if someone has 50% body resist, then it's 7.5s really. :/

Anyone using purge on a debuff alone is just being silly.

a.
*

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Originally posted by Apathy
PBT should be moved the the Mentalist Mentalism line.

a.
*

or enchanters enchantment line ^^

 

[Apathy]

Originally posted by -Freezingwiz-
or enchanters enchantment line ^^

10s PBT - 48 Enchantment spec
08s PBT - 49 Enchantment spec
06s PBT - 50 Enchantment spec

And remove the DMG add.

a.
*

 

[Cloak_]

Does Cughel still play

 

[Garbannoch Nox]

Originally posted by Cronn
Umm no, Wizzies have a single target 10% colddebuff/dd and a 10% AE heat debuff/dd

I think...

from Camelot Herald (as of patch 1.60 - before that resistance debuffs are 5% instead of 10%):

Damage and Debuff
47 Searing Blast Enemy 3.0s/20s/0s Rng: 1500 -10% resist/171 d (Cold) 30 power

Damage and Debuff (AOE)
46 Boiling Cloud Enemy 4.0s/20s/0s Rng: 1500 Area: 350 -10% resist/130 d (Cold) 39 power


both the single and aoe spell debuff cold btw which is also the damage type of the pbaoe in the SAME line

btw i play an ice wizzy on pryd and the aoe debuff is uber IMO - will be even more so with patch 1.60

 

[Amadon]

Originally posted by Apathy
10s PBT - 48 Enchantment spec
08s PBT - 49 Enchantment spec
06s PBT - 50 Enchantment spec

And remove the DMG add.

a.
*

and the pet

btw.. don't you think a pet that can tank orange/red cons with ease, without uber buffs, will hurt like hell WITH uber buffs and with pbt?

and a pbt class with a pet and resist debuffs.. I think the nerf cries would be very quick in coming

 

[Apathy]

It's a chance I am willing to take.

a.
*