Naming and shaming?

[Damini]

To be honest, I don't think the forums are the place for "Naming and Shaming". There is something that makes me uneasy about branding someone, regardless of what they have done. In game I was called a f***ing packi, and I reported this in game, and told my guild about it, so they could avoid the person, but I would not and will not mention that persons name here. Why? Because maybe, just maybe, they aren't the demon I think they are. Maybe they are just young, or immature, or roleplaying a nasty, 101 reasons which probably really arent true at all, but still stay my hand.

In UO, there was a character joining ppls guilds, and then using icq to send them viruses, hack their accounts, endless naughtiness. He was publicly named and shamed, but my friend who had a very similar name to him was suddenly ostracised ingame and refused rezzes, actively pked and so on. Ok, so chances of having a name like Ownage are minimal, but still.

I am all for warning people of scams, telling people not to let their guard down, telling the latest trust tricks that have been used, but I think people should really think hard before turning the forums into judge and jury. If someone betrays you, tell your friends in game, tell your guild, and even approach the offending parties guild, but outrightly broadcasting seems wrong to me. But I am outrageously soppy and always ready to give someone a second go.



Discuss I'm just curious to see how other people see this whole shamboodle. <---- (word made up to suit purpose)

*please don't use this thread to Name and shame, as that kind of defeats the purpose*

P.S. this isn't like me issuing a decree or anything! I just wondered how everyone else sees it, is all...

 

[old.dwyte]

i'm just wondering how many people wouldnt have known about him had they not read these boards, and how many still do not know about ownage. i myself am gratefull for finding out so soon so i can avoid anything to do with him.

for the time spent to acquire high lvl items and for some jumped up lil git to swipe em after a reaching high lvl and having a lot of good items for once you got there would ruin the game for allot of people.

now, taking into consideration that the message boards are viewed by allot of people i think these are an ideal place to get a warning out about people like this. not every player is guilded, and not every guild has an alliance. word might not spread as easily or as fast as some presume.


dwyte soulavenger

 

[old.Psi]

It depends on the situation, and what the person is being named and shamed for. If its for name calling or something like that, there may be a reason behind it that wasn't known.. If it is exploiting a bug by using a bugged bow, and the person knows they are doing this to get an unfair advantage, I don't think they should be given credit and everyone should know them for what they are.

 

[old.Tartanyak]

Completely off topic, but I really, really like the word you made up.

Shamboodle.

May I use it?

 

[old.Psi]

No, you can't, shamboodle off

 

[Damini]

You certainly may Tartanyak. I give you shamboodle as a forum-warming present.

 

[old.Alwych]

Damini stole all my armour pls refuse her/him rezzes

(edited because i dont know if damini is male or female, a mask was worn so i couldnt be sure and it was dark too.)

 

[old.Bollinja]

I agree that public 'naming and shaming' isn't really the way to go about it. An e-mail to GOA would be my response. I know not everyone has had the best experience with them, but it makes it official and will be read by someone who *could* make something happen.

/me takes off his rose-tinted specs

I read the post about someone stealing armour and agree its a pretty low thing to do. The 'Its RP' argument doesn't really hold it with me as DAoC is explicitly set up so those in one realm can't PvP- that seemed to be the tactics of someone who wanted in-realm PvP so did the next best thing. But that's speculation I guess.

As a positive suggestion perhaps posting something like: "Be warned of lending armour to someone you don't know well. There seems to be a player who will con you into lending him armour he will not return. I lent armour to someone who said....etc". But that's hindsight

As to the name confusion I can see that being a problem too. During the end of the beta/ start of the retail game there were at least two people with names one letter off people in my guild. If you had only quickly read the name on the forum then it would have been easy to think they were one and the same.

Tractartus
<Shadow Brothers>

 

[old.stroke]

Anyone in particular you want to dedicate this thread to?

 

[Solid]

Let me get this straight, you lent some guys u didnt know your armor which you wanted back?

You actually offered stuff you were not prepared to risk losing to some stranger?

Many things are avoidable, and this is a trust issue, it is partly your fault for falling for this trick to be honest.

In no way do I condone it, but I would never ever give items to some guy/girl I didnt know.

Just be careful who you trust, there are some real arseholes in this game and you just gotta learn to ignore em as there aint a damn thing they can do to u

 

[Xavier]

i agree that naming and shaming is a bad idea...

worst case the accuseds actions are misinterpretated and they get publicly crucified unjustly...

send reports to GOA and let them do their jobs, don't believe what you read on forums and instead judge people on your experiences with them - just because x didn't get on with y doesn't mean you won't either - who's to say things don't go swimmingly with y and x is found to be the problem child?

just my 2p

Xav
level 39 healer, midgard, prydwen

Voldemort
level 17 runemaster, midgard, prydwen

Corben
level 16 nightshade, excalibur

 

[cleeve]

I dunno.

I think racists online need to be sorted pretty quick tbh Dam - chances are it was a kid trying to offend someone and get a reaction, but I think they need to learn its as unacceptable online as it is in the street. It never fails to amaze me how people talk to other people online. They say stuff that they wouldn't dream of saying in the street to people or that if they did say in the street would result in them playing their games from a hospital bed.

Having said that I don't think naming and shaming a 'racist' would have the desired affect. It would give them attention (what they wanted) and it wouldn't actually result in them being banned (A perfectly acceptable responce imo).

Cheats are another issue here - its one that always does the round in online gaming, sometimes with understandable justification - more often without tho. Its very hard to prove that people are cheating. If you have been shot full of arrows by someone in hiding - you aren't going to be able to spot them anyway let alone prove that they are using this 'uber distance' bow.

There have been a lot of flames recently - I think I prefer my forums non toasty thanks - so I guess I agree with you on this

Revor

 

[old.Okies Kayy]

Plenty of people i can think of to put on a list but i wont,but you know who you are so beware.

 

[Damini]

Not dedicating this to anyone in particular, or on any particular matter (expolits, trust abuse, racism...). I'm just opening up the field to talking.

 

[Xavier]

/me camps in the corner of the field with an AWP waiting for the first person to step outta line and argue....


heh, dams, looks like that all agree with ya... right fellas?

 

[SFXman]

Valid point smy dear Damini, but then again in UO you could have, let's say,100 people with the exact same name... DAoC you can only have unique names

 

[Damini]

That's not the only point I am making though SFX - Its just a case of empathy. Imagine if you made a mistake, or had a bad day, and then you find a thread on some forum with loads of people growling about what a bitch/sod you were, and how *everyone* was to avoid you. I'd think that fairly intense, no matter whether you react angrily or upset or whatever. And then anyone who you have been nice to feels obliged to defend you, then other people get indignant and then the rubber gloves and midnight duels commence, and blood is spilt and mothers cry and....

Even without the melodrama, its a very aggro approach to problem solving.