Mythics view on bards...

[Glottis_Xanadu]

Bard survivability is allways 200% better than that of a sorc.
So not sure what they are complaining about.
Regards, Glottis

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Bard survivability is allways 200% better than that of a sorc.
So not sure what they are complaining about.
Regards, Glottis

just because one class defense is poor it nullifies the rights to another ones to be poor?

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by Solstice
What part didn't u understand?

But all that is crap, it's all about skills and noobishness.

In case i didn't make it clear. With any hybrid if you play shit you simply lose against any char. It's the same for any hybrid. They require skill to be strong. Without a skilled player (or if your having a bad night) they are the weakest classes in the game. LOL I'll be honest though mate. V's a nature druid you where well outmatched. Next time you see a lynx matriarch leave it the hell alone.

Example: not one of my most shining moments but i once lost solo to a mend specced healer. I actually laughed an said out loud "FFS!! what a gimp!!" as i fell. HeHe shit happens.

B.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Begach
...etc...

It's quite easy to cater for all types of bards, push powerfull group abilities up in to focussed spec lines. i.e. if you want end chant, then you lose weap spec or music.
add the DD + snare or pbaoe root on 47 music.

My apologies, 2% of bards are hybrids, the rest play support, didn't mean to rub down some ego.

 

[Solstice]

Originally posted by Begach
In case i didn't make it clear. With any hybrid if you play shit you simply lose against any char. It's the same for any hybrid. They require skill to be strong. Without a skilled player (or if your having a bad night) they are the weakest classes in the game. LOL I'll be honest though mate. V's a nature druid you where well outmatched. Next time you see a lynx matriarch leave it the hell alone.

B.

Actually that druid got a lynx matriarch with him. I was at 70% healrth or so due a to a encounter with a patrol, so i stealthed and get close. Too close i guess cause he saw me and send me his pet, pet uncovered me and druid started nuking or dotting i was like WTF!! Didn't know druids have that kind of spells. I tried to fly by mezzing and sprinting when i was at 30% health. Mezzed the druid, the pet and i ran for a while. When i was hiding and resting in a tree, stealthed and thinking rofl he almost got me, nerf druids!! the lynx pet jumped in and uncovered me. He and the druid chased me for miles. Finally the druid finished me with his weapon. Guild chat was like omg u giiiiiiimp!!. We were laughing all night

Sometimes is more funny when u loose

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by old.Nol
It's quite easy to cater for all types of bards, push powerfull group abilities up in to focussed spec lines. i.e. if you want end chant, then you lose weap spec or music.
add the DD + snare or pbaoe root on 47 music.

Agree'd. Have to be done well though. Because it'd have to make my class seriously unviable before i'd consider not attempting to get end chant.

Originally posted by old.Nol
My apologies, 2% of bards are hybrids, the rest play support, didn't mean to rub down some ego. [/B]

The term hybrid describes a class with a melee spec line and a magic spec line. So 100% of bards are hybrids. How you or anyone else plays the char is irrelavent. As is my ego.

B.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by Begach

The term hybrid describes a class with a melee spec line and a magic spec line. So 100% of bards are hybrids. How you or anyone else plays the char is irrelavent. As is my ego.

B.

just because mythic havent defined supportclasses it dont stop us from doing it.

 

[Ekydus]

Whenever I've seen Vodkafairy "solo"... I always see about 6 stealthers swarming around her too.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Begach
The term hybrid describes a class with a melee spec line and a magic spec line. So 100% of bards are hybrids. How you or anyone else plays the char is irrelavent. As is my ego.

B.

I know, but based on the fact that so few bards play with a genuine weapons template(I don't even bother to occupy QB space with my 2 blade styles) the majority of bards tend to be support focussed, in fact the only battle bard I know is you.

Naturally you will have completely different experiences with the class as opposed to bards who group or are group focussed. even when you do group, you experiences will be different because your RA's are chosen based on what's best for your battle bard template.

I think it will be pretty easy to sort the class out, they can start by fixing bust empathy stat, or giving me the points I spent in it so i can out them in dex or conc.

 

[Begach]

Originally posted by old.Nol
I know, but based on the fact that so few bards play with a genuine weapons template(I don't even bother to occupy QB space with my 2 blade styles) the majority of bards tend to be support focussed, in fact the only battle bard I know is you.

Naturally you will have completely different experiences with the class as opposed to bards who group or are group focussed. even when you do group, you experiences will be different because your RA's are chosen based on what's best for your battle bard template.

I think it will be pretty easy to sort the class out, they can start by fixing bust empathy stat, or giving me the points I spent in it so i can out them in dex or conc.

Yeah i know mate. But the point is that mythic have to consider all configurations for bard (or not in alb/mids case - different argument) or they'll seriously screw the class up. I consider overpowering a class i love and take a lot of pride in worse than them being underpowered. The fact that we have that melee spec line makes it very easy to take a nice group support char with all the nice bits and make it into a nasty solo hybrid.

Also yes. Mythic not doing something about the secondary emp spec is a joke. That needs fixing straight away no matter what happens. Pure lazyness. No more, no less.

I just also think that the warden (btw i do not have a high lvl warden nor can i atm be arsed to lvl one) needs some serious attention first, or we'll lose them on mass.

Something like 46 nurture for end chant and 47 music for the other goodies will keep me well out of the end chant and make it very difficult for me to get the rest while allowing a 1 blade specced group bard to get all the goodies.

Just tryin to be honest here mate. With what I currently have I don't get owned off anything that shouldn't be able too easily anyway an it's generally my own dumbassed fault for pickin the fight in the first place.

Not an ego trip. Just don't want my rps to be worth the same as savages is all

BTW HINT MYTHIC - End chant goes in at VERY HIGH nurture or i'll 'ave it, plain and simple (std 43 spec not high enough). Put it in music and i'll 'ave it. LOL or regrowth then non of us will 'ave it

B.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu
Bard survivability is allways 200% better than that of a sorc.
So not sure what they are complaining about.
Regards, Glottis

bard mezz

sorc mezz

(enemies closer to bard then sorc)

no instamezz, cuz that's on a timer and only will kill the bard even faster.

no purge since that also kill bard even faster.

enemies tanks break lose from mezz

bard has hopefully got end running and starts to sprint.

sorc will root.

now, bard has to stick rather close to his own tanks or he is kinda deserting them. This will result in enemy tanks can get to the bard rather fast.

enemies tanks break lose from root

sorc gotta stick close to tanks to get endregen. This will result in enemy tanks can get to the bard rather fast.

i'd say that root would buy 5+ secs extra and the extra range another sec or two.

do you think that 19% abs +10% slash (and evade 2 if bards gives up and faces the enemies) will make up for the 5+ extra seconds a sorc will get?

I think not.

 

[Vasconcelos]

+ IP + more hps ............

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Begach

I just also think that the warden (btw i do not have a high lvl warden nor can i atm be arsed to lvl one) needs some serious attention first, or we'll lose them on mass.

BTW HINT MYTHIC - End chant goes in at VERY HIGH nurture or i'll 'ave it, plain and simple (std 43 spec not high enough). Put it in music and i'll 'ave it. LOL or regrowth then non of us will 'ave it

B.

yes, i don't get why ppl play warden. if they wanna heal, they'd do better job at that as a druid. if they wanna melee, they'd do a better job as a BM or Hero or whatever.

Sure, if you wanna do both, Warden is the class, but you kinda gimp yourself in one way or another on top of the fact that wardens have less caster RA's, wich are needed as a healer, then a druid AND expensive tank RAs.

base buffs he can do as good as anyone, but a 2nd bard in a group could do as good and would give you end regen from the start and way better group heals(say 1 reg bard and 1 music bard as healers are either mend or pac).

This pretty much leaves the wardens to PBT, dadd and resistbuffs.

PBT is neglectible vs good groups since they will assist and the dmg 1 PBT a druid instead of a warden will outheal the warden. also, this shouldn't be the determin fact versus some ppl who doesn't assist.

Dadd is imo worse then PBT and therefore nothing that a warden should use, just having up running when group is not in combat to save his mana (start with cast group-BT).

Resistbuffs are good. these are actually better then the druid resistbuffs since body and energy is mainly CC (well, even spirit I think, but how often do you see a SM, and if you do, is he actually CCing? ). But, look at the other realms, healers and cleric have the resistbuffs a warden have. Primary healers of each realms wich we can conclude the Warden is not. This is an error that should be fixed imo. This gives Hibernia a disadvantage in RvR cuz they are pretty much forced to take a "gimped" class into the fights for these resists.

My conclusion is that all the skills a Warden have is either active but gimped or on pair/other char can do as well and provide something better aswell/neglectible and passive.

don't ask me why Wardens still plays.

 

[Gahldir]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
+ IP + more hps ............

-MoC (sorc can LT) ............

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
+ IP + more hps ............

In the land of mezz immunity, the sorceror with root is king

 

[StormriderX]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
+ IP + more hps ............

Think one of the main reasons bards spec ip is because of a general lack of decent ra to choose from. Opening access to MoC and/or AP would mean practically 0 bards have ip imo, since both abilities are 'better'

I'm also sure we can agree that when a realm's primary cc class only has one form of cc that its pretty retarded.