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old.Nol
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http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=52347938&start=53271027
Sheesh, it's your game Mythic, wish you had a clue.
Sheesh, it's your game Mythic, wish you had a clue.
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angrysquirrel
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at work when i write dismissive "dont question me biatch" letters, i pretty much write what mythic wrote there. but with no spelling mistakes and correct use of punctuation.
mythic didnt give any justification for their decisions and thats a poor show, the guy mustve been having a bad day and just cant be arsed.
the end thing is a big issue, as is the useless resist chants, the huge spec in nuture for 3 usefull tunes, not worried about dmg output, 14 points for AM - plz someone flame and justify that ?? i could go on but have to drink now.
mythic didnt give any justification for their decisions and thats a poor show, the guy mustve been having a bad day and just cant be arsed.
the end thing is a big issue, as is the useless resist chants, the huge spec in nuture for 3 usefull tunes, not worried about dmg output, 14 points for AM - plz someone flame and justify that ?? i could go on but have to drink now.
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vipr
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There just a bunch of clueless nubs imo, expect a long, long and long time before they do anything
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old.Nol
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Charisma = power & conc pool for bard, putting it on your instruments means it will fluctuate as you change songs. This was brought to Mythic's attention in April...but the arsehole still has no clue why we don't want it :/
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llixeraxu
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You just gotta stop being so damn uber.. they just take a look at you and think the class works ;p
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VodkaFairy
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Don't tell me you expected something
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old.Nol
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tbh, I did at least expect them to fix secondry rising stat...but it seems they will just remove it instead, so we will have none :/
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llixeraxu
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from what i can gather.. no classes have any sweeping changes.
there gearing up review every style on every class, and every RA.
That is where there prorities are.. from what im told.. which is very little lol
there gearing up review every style on every class, and every RA.
That is where there prorities are.. from what im told.. which is very little lol
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old.Nol
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I don't want sweeping changes, just for them to fix the broken shit like the "empathy" stat and the rediculously crap bard drops.
The fix is to not make the letters highlight in the start up screen anymore...woot!
The fix is to not make the letters highlight in the start up screen anymore...woot!
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Ceap
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was most impressed with the TL's clear definition of why charisma on instruments sucked....
and even more impressed by mythics inability to understand it...
when u factor in typos and punctuation, could we finally have solved the age old theory of one million monkeys on a million typewriters producing mythic's tl reports?
and even more impressed by mythics inability to understand it...
when u factor in typos and punctuation, could we finally have solved the age old theory of one million monkeys on a million typewriters producing mythic's tl reports?
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Chameleon
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The report seems to lack substance to backup claims. I don't think you can hope for changes by effectively sending mythic a long 'wish list'. There needs to be far more facts and figures to backup claims before they will do anything about these issues imo.
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They changed the format so now the TL reports must be short from wot I have been told.
And anyway won´t expect Mythic to understand that a damn song which is interrupatble on a reinforced char who´s like a neon light with the drum is easier to seek and destroy then some chain/plate wearers with uninterruptable chants (can u interrupt end regen for mids by mezzing shaman? afaik not)
But tbh, at least bard lives longer then sorcs
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old.Nol
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Tamboori and Stryfh the previous TL's covered all the same issues in huge detail. All the new one did was make it concise and to the point.
Mythic have all the relevant data, they just ffing clueless.
The whole charisma and useless bard drops thing was covered in huge detail on the vn boards. The reply at the time was "put the request in the TL report".
It wouldn't be so bad, 'cept that crafted SC'd instruments deteriorate faster then you can say PIE!
Mythic have all the relevant data, they just ffing clueless.
The whole charisma and useless bard drops thing was covered in huge detail on the vn boards. The reply at the time was "put the request in the TL report".
It wouldn't be so bad, 'cept that crafted SC'd instruments deteriorate faster then you can say PIE!
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what about making lute/flute/drum only needed when starting a song so you play speed with lute, up with weap and head for emain (or whatever), mezz, change to drum and play end song, equip weapon, fight/heal.
would solve the "look a drum - keel bard" thing which imo is the biggest problem
so you play speed with lute, up with weap and head for emain (or whatever), mezz, change to drum and play end song, equip weapon, fight/heal.would solve the "look a drum - keel bard" thing which imo is the biggest problem
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you're right, its a buff on a timer like a damage shield is.
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Divinia
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they dont, we're a hidden bonus class inserted by a weekend-cleaner who got bored at work @ mythics office.
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angrysquirrel
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Re: Re: Mythic reply to bard 1.62 TL report
love that btw
how do we contact a team leader and how can we make our opinions known ? have any bards been consulted on their thoughts and feelings ???
love that btw
how do we contact a team leader and how can we make our opinions known ? have any bards been consulted on their thoughts and feelings ???
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Qte Eth
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u can contact TL via camelotherald "teamlead" links
and yeah that replys are sorta evul.
well at least euro bards wont be mad on goa coz bards on us are 2x better then they, while goa are translating bard love patch
and yeah that replys are sorta evul.
well at least euro bards wont be mad on goa coz bards on us are 2x better then they, while goa are translating bard love patch
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thnks for that info qte just spent 5 hours postin in suggestions
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old.Niljindil
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The sad thing with this game is that a logical concept such as INSTANT SPELLS NOT INTERUPTING* would solve like 80% of the issues with *any* casting class currently in the game....
*Of course not including spells as stun/mez or amnesia as they are designed to interupt/shut down mind thus disabling cast ability
*Of course not including spells as stun/mez or amnesia as they are designed to interupt/shut down mind thus disabling cast ability
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Gahldir
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Originally posted by old.Niljindil
[B*Of course not including spells as stun/mez or amnesia as they are designed to interupt/shut down mind thus disabling cast ability
but then again they wouldn't interupt becuz that they are instas but bcuz of the resist they have when they land
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Trinilim
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Because I'm on your side now I'm going to be somewhat leniant , but there are several things that I noticed that are very VERY wrong.
And I speak from experience of being on the receiving end of a bard, I have yet to play one, but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about
1. "Adding a self-only absorb buff, adding a snare component to the Concussive Shriek line, and giving advanced evade would even the playing field and give bards a better chance of surviving combat."
While it's true that bards do lack a considerrable amount of defense, they weren't built for it. Exactly like casters. Bards aren't meant to take hits. Sure they can take them better than a caster, but they aren't a tank class. I agree with the snare, as long as it would be on a short duration. Advanced evade I agree with, as they have a low evade % to begin with and it wouldn't overpower the class. However, the self-only absorb buff would not be a good idea.
Bards wear reinforced armor, and that has 19% absorb. That's plenty.
2. "Giving bards a baseline str/con or dex/qui buff would make up for the lack of a proper secondary stat."
Flat out no. If there's going to be ANY type of buffs that resemble ANYTHING like this, it should be specced to get. Thanes must spec into stormcalling in order to get their self buffs. Friars must spec into enhancement to get their self buffs. A baseline str/con and/or dex/quick buff is completely out of the question.
If indeed the class needs something like this, as friars did (friar's recieved their self buffs to bring them up to par with everybody else for those of you that didn't know that), then it should be specced to get.
3. "With the current implementation, the resist chants are useless to bards as they are unstackable with the Druid/Warden resists and regen songs cannot be played in conjunction. Please allow the resist chants to stack and be played with the regen songs."
Basically saying resists should stack with resists???
Anybody with at least a little bit of DAOC common knowledge will find the error in this.
20% resist from song + 24% resist from buff + 26% resist from sc = a bare minimum of 70% resist in all resists.
And on top of that he wants regen songs to be played at the same time. What kind of sheerie bush is he smoking??
4. "Currently, there are only three spells in Nurture (all of which are songs), and this is the line mainly taken by bards in lieu of any weapon specialization. Filling this line out with a self str/con or dex/qui buff and either a self blade turn or a self ablative proc would add to the defenses of a support bard and help fill out a line that has large gaps between spells. "
Basically take the most specced-in spec and turn it into a buffbot spec?? Not only that, a BLADE TURN on a reinforced armor wearing class, scale wearing class, and cloth? This would mean that 5 classes out of 13 classes would get some sort of BT.
Wheras midgard would get 3 out of 12. And Albion would get 4 out of 14. All 7 of those classes in midgard/albion are cloth wearers.
The ablative proc would be reasonable, would bring stability compared to the minstrel ablative.
5. "adding a group cure poison/disease"
Yeah, sure, and COMPLETELY negate an entire class or 2? This would be the single largest cabalist/cave shaman low blow in history.
6. "Bards are given one form of crowd control on a single immunity timer. As such, a bard’s crowd control ability is rendered useless once the initial mez has either worn off or been purged. Giving bards a PBAE Snare or root would help the survivability issue mentioned above, and give bards an emergency back up when Mesmerize fails."
While it's true the CC is on one immunity timer, I've found very little problems with it. The insta-ae lull negates any casters for at least 5 seconds, giving the bard ample time to cast the mez. Any remaining CC can be done by any mage-type class with a casted 9 second stun, a s/s tank with slam, or druid with root.
But anyways, that's just how I feel about it, all the rest of the stuff I agree with or don't have enough knowledge on the subject to make a statement.
Edit: and btw, if you notice any ignorance on my behalf in the post, feel free to point it out. This isn't a flame or a whine, it's just a discussion really
, but there are several things that I noticed that are very VERY wrong.And I speak from experience of being on the receiving end of a bard, I have yet to play one, but that doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about
1. "Adding a self-only absorb buff, adding a snare component to the Concussive Shriek line, and giving advanced evade would even the playing field and give bards a better chance of surviving combat."
While it's true that bards do lack a considerrable amount of defense, they weren't built for it. Exactly like casters. Bards aren't meant to take hits. Sure they can take them better than a caster, but they aren't a tank class. I agree with the snare, as long as it would be on a short duration. Advanced evade I agree with, as they have a low evade % to begin with and it wouldn't overpower the class. However, the self-only absorb buff would not be a good idea.
Bards wear reinforced armor, and that has 19% absorb. That's plenty.
2. "Giving bards a baseline str/con or dex/qui buff would make up for the lack of a proper secondary stat."
Flat out no. If there's going to be ANY type of buffs that resemble ANYTHING like this, it should be specced to get. Thanes must spec into stormcalling in order to get their self buffs. Friars must spec into enhancement to get their self buffs. A baseline str/con and/or dex/quick buff is completely out of the question.
If indeed the class needs something like this, as friars did (friar's recieved their self buffs to bring them up to par with everybody else for those of you that didn't know that), then it should be specced to get.
3. "With the current implementation, the resist chants are useless to bards as they are unstackable with the Druid/Warden resists and regen songs cannot be played in conjunction. Please allow the resist chants to stack and be played with the regen songs."
Basically saying resists should stack with resists???
Anybody with at least a little bit of DAOC common knowledge will find the error in this.
20% resist from song + 24% resist from buff + 26% resist from sc = a bare minimum of 70% resist in all resists.
And on top of that he wants regen songs to be played at the same time. What kind of sheerie bush is he smoking??
4. "Currently, there are only three spells in Nurture (all of which are songs), and this is the line mainly taken by bards in lieu of any weapon specialization. Filling this line out with a self str/con or dex/qui buff and either a self blade turn or a self ablative proc would add to the defenses of a support bard and help fill out a line that has large gaps between spells. "
Basically take the most specced-in spec and turn it into a buffbot spec?? Not only that, a BLADE TURN on a reinforced armor wearing class, scale wearing class, and cloth? This would mean that 5 classes out of 13 classes would get some sort of BT.
Wheras midgard would get 3 out of 12. And Albion would get 4 out of 14. All 7 of those classes in midgard/albion are cloth wearers.
The ablative proc would be reasonable, would bring stability compared to the minstrel ablative.
5. "adding a group cure poison/disease"
Yeah, sure, and COMPLETELY negate an entire class or 2? This would be the single largest cabalist/cave shaman low blow in history.
6. "Bards are given one form of crowd control on a single immunity timer. As such, a bard’s crowd control ability is rendered useless once the initial mez has either worn off or been purged. Giving bards a PBAE Snare or root would help the survivability issue mentioned above, and give bards an emergency back up when Mesmerize fails."
While it's true the CC is on one immunity timer, I've found very little problems with it. The insta-ae lull negates any casters for at least 5 seconds, giving the bard ample time to cast the mez. Any remaining CC can be done by any mage-type class with a casted 9 second stun, a s/s tank with slam, or druid with root.
But anyways, that's just how I feel about it
, all the rest of the stuff I agree with or don't have enough knowledge on the subject to make a statement.Edit: and btw, if you notice any ignorance on my behalf in the post, feel free to point it out. This isn't a flame or a whine, it's just a discussion really
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Self absorb buff is a no for bards IMO. advanced evade is yes(it does not increase your chance of evade, it jst means that you can ecade in a 360 as opposed to positional front). We will have either a drum or a lute in our hands, and we are the focus of any decent groups attack. Chances are we will be running away at the time, with perma-sprint zerkers pulling off backstyles.
Stackable chants imo are bullshit.
No BT, ever, it's rubbish on a bard IMO, although from 1.62 we will become archers favourite target. Quick/dex buff I think is valid, considering that dex is a growing stat on sorceror, that together with "mastery of the art" RA can bring casting times on AE mezz down to 1.65 seconds. If they will not give bards a secondry stat, then at least allow us to utilise a decent stat line.
No group cure.
CC, imo swap insta-mezz for pbaoe snare. Quick/dex buff will make us even par with sorceror's for cast time, or fix secondry stat to quick/dex. Leave range in sorceror's favour.
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you do realise if they give you a dex/quick buff it will never be as good as the one from druid? you're asking for useless stuff 
edit: http://users.skynet.be/Aussie/MotA3_Unbuffed_Buffed_Test.txt fur nolly xD
in 1.62 those numbers are gonna be even more impressive!
edit: http://users.skynet.be/Aussie/MotA3_Unbuffed_Buffed_Test.txt fur nolly xD
in 1.62 those numbers are gonna be even more impressive!
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Originally posted by Aussie-
you do realise if they give you a dex/quick buff it will never be as good as the one from druid? you're asking for useless stuff
I am asking for them to fix my secondry stat, if they won't do that, I will take a quick/dex buff, I will take anything. I don't want a con based quick/dex that I can lay on other grp members. I want a self buff, like friar's haste.
I have had to play this entire game with a fucked secondry stat, which is bullshit, it should have been fixed in the first patch, I am gobsmacked as to how they can continually brush it off and keep a straight face.
I don't want a fucking house, with a mooses head on my wall and flat garden, I want the fucking points I spent in the little highlighted box when I created my character to mean something, if Mythic can't do that, then give me a stat respec. Is that a difficult concept to understand?
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there are so many classes with useless 2e and 3e stats
casters have quick as 3e..
i prefer con to come at same hp lvl as healer and bard
casters have quick as 3e..
i prefer con to come at same hp lvl as healer and bard
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Erm mate, I played a friar for near a year.
I put 10 points in str at the beginning cause it said that was my main stat
They gave friars the dex/quick buff to come up to par with the other classes because dex is our main stat (and we can't very well have just 2 dex buffs, that's why the 2nd is dex/quick).
I'd have absolutely no problem with bard self buffs AS LONG as they are specced to get. Friar's have to spec 45 enhance to get their best self buffs. That's a lot of spec points. It'd be insane to give it to bards as a baseline spell.
But other than that I agree with you.
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Originally posted by Aussie-
there are so many classes with useless 2e and 3e stats
casters have quick as 3e..
i prefer con to come at same hp lvl as healer and bard
Why should any class have to stand for it? It's taken them 2 years to "think" about changing the fact that people drop points into a highlighted Empathy at start up because Mythic have no idea how their own game works.
How hard is it to give those useless stat points back, let me drop it into dex, or con, anything but empathy.
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Originally posted by Aussie-
there are so many classes with useless 2e and 3e stats
casters have quick as 3e..
i prefer con to come at same hp lvl as healer and bard
atleast it makes you swing staff faster. emp does less for a bard and is 2nd and when you create the char highlighted. so if you don't know this fact when you start your bard, you will most likely gimp yourself.
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Wholeheartedly agree with the empathy stat thing.
BTW since when did a bard become a hybrid tank as the TL described. Yet to see that.
BTW since when did a bard become a hybrid tank as the TL described. Yet to see that.