My thoughts...

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klavrynd

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<snip obvious things>

> So with current RvR situation, imho,
>none can solo and 'actually' have fun !
>So if you go solo expect to be zerged.
>Don’t whine after this happens. Its
>just natural.

I can remember the days when rogue classes went around solo easily. People allso ran outside solo to eg. amg-mmg (and may i mention , _ALL_ unbuffed) so it was a rather "fun" atmosphere

who started the multiple rogue group ill leave in the middle

<snip moocow zone info>

>- Hibs stealthers have huge >disadvantages compared to albs and
>mids. Their numbers are lower. They
>have to walk for 10 minutes back to
>emain being exposed by running
>unstealth all the way there.

as if that's really an issue here ... you did (or atleast wanted to let it seem like a) balance test , so having to run 10 mins is of no importance here, neither is the number of actively playing ns'es

<snip>
>- Ns go rvr without having a buffbot
>is a joke.

moo

>- Ns before RR5 is not good enough
>but can perform in rvr if having a
>buffbot. imo RR8 is a good point for
>Ns's to start having the proper Ra's.

the problem you have here is that you're used to having perma ap2 while ns'es actually need xx ra points to get and use it every 15 mins

(oh right and ns dont have free 9s stun)

>- I don’t think infils are overpowered
>but yes they have some advantage vs
> low RR ns. sb's on the other hand
>Have better damage output and more
>HP's, i think Mythic have tried good to
>equalize these 3 classes, i haven’t
>ever played SB though but still can
>see that they can perform very good .

You can't compare as sb's do NOT have access to dex based weapons, nor a decent stealther RA.
The hp difference is neglectable and 2h pa works superb in theory, but so does communism

fyi : mythic nerfed the fuck out of sb's when the killed la

<mincers snip>
mincers were and are overpowered as fuck, period

<snip>

> Mythic makes new patches, they
>trying to improve the game even tho
>maybe they looking more in the $$ >
side than the gamers fun side, but WE >will deside what to do. You don’t like
>get zerged ? You think your char is
>gimped, you think your realm suxs ?
>Stop playing, make a zerg, play
>pacman, make another char, change
>realm etc.

uhuh, that's why the only alb nerf thus far has been smite, and they got lots of extra wub to make it up

the only thing that counts is the amount of crybabies on vnboards, and judging those, albs excel at that discipline

nothing new here, so it's a +1 with added value
 
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lofff

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snipping is for homos :<




.. yus bored at work on sat nite -.-
 
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scarffs

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Some ok points.
But hibs zerg a lot now. There are almost always 4-10 ns and rangers at amgO now. Try and see.
 
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Roo Stercogburn

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Some interesting points. Throws the EULA into a bin and laughs at it, so I'd imagine there will be some backlash from someone with an axe to grind.

Don't know squat about stealthers, can't comment on individual points.

Regarding soloing, I'll happily wander around the frontiers from time to time by myself and take on pretty much anything I meet from solo something to a few FG for a laugh and you'd be amazed how little I get zerged so long as I stay out of Emain. (SMs can't run away from anything so you might as well wade in and see how you do for a laugh. I think assassins leave me alone a lot because it would be the ultimate cringer to actually have me kill them, unlikely as it is :D)

And Mid frontier > all other frontiers, no better place to be. That and Raumarik still the best places in the game I've visited.
Its only the lack of mobs in Emain that makes it the most popular place to RvR than any other frontier area. Odins and HW have large amounts of butt ugly beasties looking to chew on your ass if you try to get creative about the routes you take. Even taking that into account, Odins knocks the spots off Emain.
 
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ilum

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Re: Re: My thoughts...

Originally posted by klavrynd
[Bthe problem you have here is that you're used to having perma ap2 while ns'es actually need xx ra points to get and use it every 15 mins[/B]

You cant take buffbots into account when balancing classes. Would make it even worse for those who still play without buffs.
 
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Xeanor

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Re: Re: My thoughts...

Originally posted by Cyfr
Now give me a reason to believe anything else you say. :)

Give me a reason why we should care about anything you say, you play FFXI = no PvP = totally no skill, all about playtime, STFU.
 
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Cyfr

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Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

Originally posted by Xeanor
Give me a reason why we should care about anything you say, you play FFXI = no PvP = totally no skill, all about playtime, STFU.

Hi, do i lil research. Like visit the main website and look on the first page.

Thanks m8!
 
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VidX

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Nice job Rambo, nice to see you having a look to see how your class (and character) compares to your main opposition, and very nice review from an outsider to the class.

Now, if only Mythic would start listening to reports like this, then maybe they could do something to balance the stealther situation.

As you said, Mincers make things nasty for other realm stealthers, and even though when solo they aren't much of a problem, when in groups, a mincer combined with other stealthers is a problem.

Now, the only thing is, how do you explain to GOA what you did? ;)

As for Hib stealther groups, HDS run a full group of Shades and Rangers, sometimes more.

Now, if only we can get Revminster back ingame... :)
 
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tildson

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Why wouldnt PvE require skill?

Anyhow, every damn stealther is duoed atleast on Prydwen. All are to blame, not only Rambo.
 
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old.windforce

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Originally posted by Jenna.
You took the word out of my mouth!:)

you to fat to have words in your mouth anyway



Rambo,

good report
 
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Dorin

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yea told you running to emain sux ^^

oh and thx for going for the sb at mmg instead of me :), your mincer should have mezzed me meanwhile then she wouldnt have died, but till you killed me (i must say 643 af [thx to af proc] + ap2 lowered your dmg bigtime, so no AP for infils ever plz mythic....) i thought its an rr1 fotm boi hitting me :).

Anyways, somebody asked if Rambo was doing ok as a shade. I think he did, dunno if reached the limits as a shade thou :). Covered valid points there, nothing to add really, maybe that shade can be any rr, if no ra's up he is kinda toasted against same rr enemy. (Purge, AP, Viper). And yes we are outnumbered most of the time which sux bigtime, but that was said earlier.

Mythic need to do something with mincers or giving 3rd stealth char to mid/hib with lots of utility, couse every knows that current setup is unfair... but on the other hand hib rvsr not = stealth zerg thx to albion stealth classes :d
 
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klavrynd

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Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

Originally posted by ilum
You cant take buffbots into account when balancing classes. Would make it even worse for those who still play without buffs.

no if you do alb gets nerfed, and we don't that , do we?

first : buffbot spells

all have access to baseline str/con/dex/af and i'm not going to check as they _should_ all be equal


druid specs :
-haste
-str/con - dex/qui

sham specs:
-timed dmg add (4.6 dps for the highest one)
-str/con - dex/qui
-RANGED endbuff

cleric :
-SPEC AF
-str/con-dex qui
-heal proc buff (not sure this is self only so correct me here if necessary)
-HOT buff

so basically if you _are_ going to bb's into account when balancing, alb should get the worst stealther and hib/mid are a bit alike .
(this is if you're using it to balance stealthers only)

(and don't start on the hp difference sb's have because i'm sure they'll happily give up those 100ish (if that much) hp for perma AP
 
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old.Morchaoron

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

Originally posted by klavrynd

-SPEC AF
-str/con-dex qui
-heal proc buff (not sure this is self only so correct me here if necessary)
-HOT buff

Spec af is good yes...

however, the heal proc has a 10 min duration and it kinda sucks...
the health over time buff sucks aswell... you only notice it if you sit down at watch your healthbar closely, you'll notice you gain health a little bit faster then normal, it doesnt give you any advantage in combat, you just heal slightly faster...
 
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ilum

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

Yes it's true...Albion has a better enhance line than Druid's...Shaman's enhance is the best, but not as a buffbot. Because of the timer on damage add as well as the range on the end regen.

The reason Cleric's got better enhance than Druid's (the difference is only the HOT-buff and the timed heal-proc really) is as I see it to compensate for the smite line being worse than nature line as well as Cave/pac line (whichever you wanna use as a comparison).

Of course when the enhance line is the only thing that matters for buffbots, Albion does have the best buffbots. But you can't balance the game according to buffbots, as they arent even meant to be and some people actually play without them.

If your buffbot being worse than the other realm upsets you, you either live with it, or stop using your buffbot. You cant expect people to take a balance issue thats caused by an exploit seriously.

Instead, take the exploit seriously.

Originally posted by klavrynd
no if you do alb gets nerfed, and we don't that , do we?

first : buffbot spells

all have access to baseline str/con/dex/af and i'm not going to check as they _should_ all be equal


druid specs :
-haste
-str/con - dex/qui

sham specs:
-timed dmg add (4.6 dps for the highest one)
-str/con - dex/qui
-RANGED endbuff

cleric :
-SPEC AF
-str/con-dex qui
-heal proc buff (not sure this is self only so correct me here if necessary)
-HOT buff

so basically if you _are_ going to bb's into account when balancing, alb should get the worst stealther and hib/mid are a bit alike .
(this is if you're using it to balance stealthers only)

(and don't start on the hp difference sb's have because i'm sure they'll happily give up those 100ish (if that much) hp for perma AP
 
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old.Atrox

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imo Mids got the best PvE Buffbot so please nerf it.
 
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old.Atrox

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Originally posted by zapzap
Gimme necro for PL i find u a shammy

Necros sucks in PvE fyi, can barely solo purple cons when unbuffed :(
 
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painman

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rambo can u plz reply this tread with how many sb's pming u for a few days account swap :)

valhallas
 
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old.windforce

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the cleric af buff (top one) is infact more like AP 1,5

the druid haste buff is pretty good
 
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Aussie-

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klavrynd

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My thoughts...

>Yes it's true...Albion has a better
>enhance line than Druid's...Shaman's
>enhance is the best, but not as a
>buffbot. Because of the timer on
>damage add as well as the range on
>the end regen.

the timer based damage add is pathetic fyi, just compare it to baseline dmg add elementalists get (10 dps) , enchanters in enchantment line (10 dps, but hardly used) and the 11.1 dps ( at lvl 49 instead of 44 like the others) runie dmg add

i must admit that the sham concbased end is nice tho (even tho it sucks compared to the timed ones we had before)

>The reason Cleric's got better enhance
> than Druid's (the difference is only the
> HOT-buff and the timed heal-proc
>really) is as I see it to compensate for
>the smite line being worse than
>nature line as well as Cave/pac line
>(whichever you wanna use as a
>comparison).

to use albion terms the smite line 'is balanced" :p

>Albion does have the best buffbots.
>But you can't balance the game
>according to buffbots, as they arent
>even meant to be and some people
>actually play without them.

thus making the gap even wider between buffed albs and unbuffed hibs/mids ...

>If your buffbot being worse than the
>other realm upsets you, you either live
> with it, or stop using your buffbot.
>You cant expect people to take a
>balance issue thats caused by an
>exploit seriously.
>Instead, take the exploit seriously.

let's make this clear
a) this does not upset me at all, i stopped playing so i don't see why i should in the first place.
b) i was , am, and will be against the entire buffbot phenomena. I'm still conviced that it gives players an unfair advantage, and that it does create balance issues that go farther then single classes

what's the exloit you're talking about?

@ Aussie, i don't need to teach you, i'm sure you get enough practice at home when you figured out that having a rr whatever does not stop the kids at school from bullying you
 
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naetha

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Nice post Rambo - good to see a more balanced perspective on the whole stealther war, and will be even more interesting when/if you've tried playing an equivalent SB.

Would also be interesting to see Balth's point of view from the NS ~~> Infi perspective.

As for all you whiners - half of you don't even play the game any more so if you don't have anything to say other than skewed opinions about things you barely understand, keep an open mind and actually try listening to what people are saying rather than firing off your whine reply after reading the first couple of sentences. :flame:
 
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Cyfr

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Originally posted by naetha
Nice post Rambo - good to see a more balanced perspective on the whole stealther war, and will be even more interesting when/if you've tried playing an equivalent SB.

Would also be interesting to see Balth's point of view from the NS ~~> Infi perspective.

As for all you whiners - half of you don't even play the game any more so if you don't have anything to say other than skewed opinions about things you barely understand, keep an open mind and actually try listening to what people are saying rather than firing off your whine reply after reading the first couple of sentences. :flame:

Klav aint whining, hes debating intelligently.
 

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