my thoughts about the london bombing..

[haarewin]

This may just be me, but, am I the only one thinking this has something to do with us getting the Olympics?

not just you. my brother instantly blamed the french.

 

[Dommers]

I'm sure you wouldn't be saying these things if u were english...

 

[Ch3tan]

Hi Espen, I live and work in South London. I had a member of staffs husband phoning me because he could not get to her mobile and she would have been near one of the blasts. Thankfully she was fine, just stranded. But yes, that and the fact it happened in the city where I live does mean more to me than people dying in other countries, and children dying of aids.

Thats common bloddy sense, you cannot see that because it does not directly effect you.

 

[RandomBastard]

Hardly, if they wanted anything to do with the Olympics, yesterday would have been it.

Trafalgar square anyone?

Stratford?

No, this was planned months ago. G8.

I didnt say it was planned for the olympic vote, i said it was a bonus (in terms of effect and political clout) to the scumbags

 

[tris-]

the whole thing, as said, is about minoritys making a majority follow it.
being the minority (in this case, espen sharing views no one likes) entails a lot of shit.

no wonder they are pissed now and again.

 

[Wij]

Doubt it was to do with the Olympics. These things take months to plan.

No doubt George Galloway will be telling us that we all deserve it really because, even though our views are diverse and vastly different from person to person, we must take responsiblity because collectively some of us voted for Tony Blair who might be interpreted as having done something against someone else, therefore we're all legitimate targets, except George Galloway because his views are diverse and vastly different :/

Hope everyone's friends/relatives are ok.

 

[Samaroon EatsCheese]

This may just be me, but, am I the only one thinking this has something to do with us getting the Olympics?

i actually thought about that ^^ pretty damn sure it wasnt tho

 

[Paradroid]

My sincerest condolences goes out to anyone who has lost a loved one in the London bombings.

//Please excuse me, I really need to get this rant out of my system ...

/RANT

I think it's right to keep an open mind, though, regarding the culprits. Am I going to suggest anything other than expected (or implied by my name)? Nope. Inside job, imo.


I assume everyone here has heard the revelationary Karl Rove story in the US? Here's the BBC Linky-poo (released on 6/7/2005). This was the juciest story hitting the headlines just before the London bombings - which has subsequently been buried both here and in the US media. This case could be tried as Treason - an executable offence in the States!

People have mentioned the G8, but, more specifically, what's the effect of Live8 on the G8? What about increasing aid, cancelling debt, the unfair trade laws, the Kyoto agreement? The rhetoric from the initial warm-up was rather luke warm to say the least ... I think it's called "managing expectations".

So what did we get from the first day of the G8 summit? A firm reminder of the importance of "The War on Terror". A resolute, defiant, message that we're united together to "stay the course".

How on earth did we get from "marching to Gleneagles to change the world" (expectations managed), to, "oh, forget that shit, this is far more immediate and important"? ... well, four bombs and the (quite right) media blitz did the trick.

How on earth did the London bombs actually help any Islamists/Muslems abroad? It only served to strengthen our public's support of "The War on Terror".

I'll admit that this could well be a handful of UK born (or immigrant) radical nutjobs, who foolishly believe that they can make a difference - or, more probably, it's an act of revenge. But, ffs, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see it's only hampered their collective efforts - are "terrorists" that stupid?

Maybe the popular revolt in Spain after their bombings in 2003 has encouraged this idea - with all our protesting of the G8 summit, perhaps they thought it would swell into a mass protest or something? We're in a different situation than Spain was two years ago, or are we? They saw their leader as a lying, manipulative, US-lackie, who was covering up and stalling his way towards (and hopefully through) an election - but I could compare that to the popular distrust of our own Blair-US-lackie. Maybe the remainder of the G8 protests will turn into a "stop the war" rally ... I dunno, but I doubt it. I hate to say this, but, I think the majority of the UK population are too far gone and genuinely believe that terrorists "hate our freedoms" and they willfully support "The War on Terror".

I just see it logically from a political/military/industrial point of view, we have far more to gain than any radical Islamic group (not "we" as in "you and I", I'm refering to the elite oligarchy).

My point of view obviously doesn't change anything, we still have to get up and move on regardless. I'm just looking at the bigger picture, I think there's more going on here than what meets the (all-seeing) eye ... (imho) ...



RANT/


(PS I read that the 7/7/2005 can be read as 7/7/7 (2 + 5) - another mystical number, as someone enquired).



(*needed that*)

 

[Wij]

Erm nope.

 

[DaGaffer]

I'll admit that this could well be a handful of UK born (or immigrant) radical nutjobs, who foolishly believe that they can make a difference - or, more probably, it's an act of revenge. But, ffs, anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see it's only hampered their collective efforts - are "terrorists" that stupid?

Yes they are. On the other hand, as you point out, they were successful in Spain. But Spain is different, because a. there was an immediate opportunity for the Spanish public to do something about it (an election), and b. the Spanish public are a bunch of pussies. Every cliche about stiff upper-lips and blitz spirit came out of the woodwork yesterday, but amazingly it seemed to be true.

Don't think it was an inside job meself; there are too many potential whistle-blowers to make such a thing foolproof. Far more likely is terrorist stupidity and a desire to get their 'cause' firmly back on to the top of the agenda; after all lots of Muslims don't give a shit about the plight of black Africans, you only have to look at Dafur to see that.

 

[Jonty]

Hi guys

Forgive me, I haven't read this thread, but I thought I'd post a brief observation by one of my human rights lecturers, made a few hours after the attacks.

The attacks today are as expected as they are deplorable. The wanton destruction of human life has no rational purpose. It is an expression of anger not of political ambition, a demand that Londoners suffer merely because others suffer, or are assumed to be suffering. The violation of human rights is all the more complete because innocent people are being used as instruments of another person's rage - the ultimate abuse of human rights is to turn people into objects and this is what those responsible for this violence have done, both literally and metaphorically.

The rage of those responsible for these acts is also a rage of impotence, a scream for attention which functions as a bloody substitute for action. Difficult though it is at this moment, we must remember that these violent deeds are the actions of very weak people: weak morally, weak personally but also weak politically. Far from being frightening because they are strong, the perpetrators of these acts are frightening precisely because they are weak. We must remember this and not give them the victory their violence craves: the victory of a changed London, one in which freedom of movements is inhibited, unnecessary surveillance is rife and civil liberties and human rights are further truncated. That would be their victory. To deny them it we need now to keep our heads […]

Britain has suffered sever levels of subversive violence in the past and come through unscathed. It will take more than irrational anger of weak killers to disconcert the tolerant, diverse, hard-working multi-cultural community that makes London not only an Olympic city but also the greatest urban metropolis on earth.

Kind Regards

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Ban Espen please, he has no idea of the severity of what he's talking about: he clearly was not in London yesterday.

 

[PLightstar]

A women who I work with, son, works and lives at the pub opposite Liverpool Street Station, he felt the blast shake the building, hes a bit worried as he lives in the floor above the pub, but the police let him back in. Then this morning she got a call from her son saying they were evactuated again, because of another bomb scare. We live in Bristol and she really wants to visit him to check on him, but her son was so worried, that he told her only to take a taxi and not to visit for at least a few weeks.

But its so strange I went to school with the guy (small world) and he was one of those ppl who worked out keept fit and was very confident, and seems a completly changed man, I can't even imagine whats going through his mind at the mo.

 

[PLightstar]

Mind you, I was very impressed in the way the services dealt with the after effects, I think it was one of the most efficient things this country has ever done. At least it shows these 'terriosts' that we can't be stopped and will be able to deal with anything they chuck at us. London is pretty much back up to running speed again. (execpt for the crime scenes)

 

[tankgirl_ni]

yeh my brother said that he has never seen such good team work from the emergency services as he did yesterday. he's a police officer and he got called down to russell sq yesterday just before the 4th bomb exploded on the bus.
it was incredible how the fire, police and medical staff reacted and they all deserve praise.

 

[Chilly]

Mind you, I was very impressed in the way the services dealt with the after effects, I think it was one of the most efficient things this country has ever done. At least it shows these 'terriosts' that we can't be stopped and will be able to deal with anything they chuck at us. London is pretty much back up to running speed again. (execpt for the crime scenes)

I don't mean to piss on your campfire here, but the attacks were recoverd from so quickly because they were pretty minor in comparison to something like the september 11th attacks on New York, which took considerably longer to clear up.

I have no doubt, however, that the emergency services would have responded in an equally exceptional manner to any crisis as they did yesterday.

 

[tankgirl_ni]

It was recovered from so quickly because they were well prepared and had a plan to put in place.

After the Omagh bombing in 1998 where 29 were killed and over 200 injured, hospitals in Co. Tyrone were unable to cope with the large numbers of casualties because they were not prepared for an attack of this nature or size. The next nearest hospital was Enniskillen which is 27 miles away and they could not cope with the more serious injuries, and so some victims were sent to belfast which was 50 miles away from the blast! One ambulance carrying victims of the bomb was in collision with a car on the way to a belfast hospital and the driver of the car was killed.

Omagh has only got a population of around 48000 which on a scale beside new york and london is about the size of a pinhead. so its not surprising that they were unable to cope at first. they just didnt have the plan or the resources.
But the guys who work for the emergency services are all fantastic whatever the country and they always manage to pull together and do their best and fair play to them! credit where its due.

 

[PLightstar]

Here here

 

[Chilly]

London's hospitals can absorb that many casualties without TOO much bother, though. But throw 10,000 injured/dead/whatever at the london hospital system and it would definately feel the strain and people would lose their lives due to lack of resources.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

London's hospitals can absorb that many casualties without TOO much bother, though. But throw 10,000 injured/dead/whatever at the london hospital system and it would definately feel the strain and people would lose their lives due to lack of resources.

Throw a bomb at a group of people and they would lose their lives, due to..... it being a bomb.

God your "points" are so ... so, pointless.

 

[Tom]

Chilly is correct, hospitals have a maximum capacity - exceed that capacity and people will die.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

Really? No shit.

But pointing that out is like pointing out bomb's hurt.

 

[Deebs]

Chilly is correct, hospitals have a maximum capacity - exceed that capacity and people will die.

Maybe so, but then you put up field hospitals in the streets, car parks and let the Armed Forces, who probably are the best medics in the world, give a hand.

I was lucky to go to a Army Hospital for any issues during my childhood and it was a sight to see. All staff wearing military uniforms, floors very clean, walls spotless.

In contrast when I pop over to Frimley Park, nurses wear trainers, the next one has heels, no standards. I am not saying their medical care is just as bad, just that you can see the difference visually.

 

[Guest]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/71773900@N00/24432325/in/pool-bomb/



good photo's, this one says a lot about the feelings of londoners.

 

[Zill]

I thought the Queen made a very moving, dignified speech as she visited the wounded in a hospital. Cant believe the ole girl's 80 years old.

 

[Deadmanwalking]

I thought the Queen made a very moving, dignified speech as she visited the wounded in a hospital. Cant believe the ole girl's 80 years old.

Wish they would put the security they have around Buckingham Palace and move it elsewhere.

God save the queen!

 

[Vae]

My girlfriends a nurse at Great Ormond Street and even though they have no A&E department they still took in quite a few casualties. As it happens the gf wasn't working but was in on a study day when it happened which was immediately cancelled. She got called to her normal ward to cover and relieve the nurses who were on duty to prepare to receive the casualties.

The staff canteen and one of the pediatric intensive care units were stripped down to receive casualties within a matter of a few minutes and all operations/procedures immediately canceled where possible. One of the clips they recycled all day of some nurses leading a gurney from an ambulance into the hospital was of GOS.

As GOS has no A&E and no Intensive care unit for adults once the people were stabilised they were shipped out to other hositals later in the day or sent home if the injuries were light enough so that by the end of the day they had no casulaties still there but the makeshift wards etc remained in place (as did the staff) until well into the next day.

She remarked that it was the only time she'd seen the pharmacists legging it down a corridor with 3 porters with trolleys with virtually the entire drug stock of painkillers, IV fluids etc in tow.

The emergency plan seems to have worked well with all medical staff local being called in and no-one being allowed to go home until the next day (everyone had to stay on site or in the nearby nursing accomodation).

In respect of what would happen if there had been more casulaties the triage system they used would have been ramped up so that only the most injured people who absolutely had to go to hospital would have gone.