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[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Bodhi
This is a music conversation. Given your love of dance, you are excluded. Thank you.

ZOUNDS!

Coming from someone who has espoused in the past;

UK garage
Massive Attack
Mos Def

Along with a sig that features lyrics from a Fluke song, :rollseyes: can you feel the hypocrisy?

"I can get so high I just can't feel it"

Oh hold on, I get it? It's a fucking joke, you don't really like Oasis you are trying to get people to respond!

Wow, imgine if you actually DID think Oasis were talented! You'd be some kind of mong!

Funny how whenever people talk about music, there's always some northern joke who comes along defending Oasis 10 years after they were any good, never mind eh? Maybe the next album will be good!

 

[*Exor*]

Doubtful.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


ZOUNDS!

Coming from someone who has espoused in the past;

UK garage
Massive Attack
Mos Def

Along with a sig that features lyrics from a Fluke song, :rollseyes: can you feel the hypocrisy?

"I can get so high I just can't feel it"

Oh hold on, I get it? It's a fucking joke, you don't really like Oasis you are trying to get people to respond!

Wow, imgine if you actually DID think Oasis were talented! You'd be some kind of mong!

Funny how whenever people talk about music, there's always some northern joke who comes along defending Oasis 10 years after they were any good, never mind eh? Maybe the next album will be good!

UK Garage - utter shite.
Massive Attack - Not dance im afraid. Ever heard of Trip-Hop? Ever tried dancing to anything they've done (remixes don;t count).
Mos Def - He was a rapper last time I checked.

Can you feel the wrongness in your reply?


As for your attempts to slag Oasis. Oasis are very talented. Mainly at making loud rock and roll songs which are best sung at the top of your voice with friends. Ah wait......


Now I see why you don;t like them. Never mind you'll get over it.

 

[suicide121]

Music is shit, the hives is shit, the birds are shit, alarm clocks are shit, infact I wish we were all death

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Bodhi


UK Garage - utter shite.
Massive Attack - Not dance im afraid. Ever heard of Trip-Hop? Ever tried dancing to anything they've done (remixes don;t count).
Mos Def - He was a rapper last time I checked.

Can you feel the wrongness in your reply?


As for your attempts to slag Oasis. Oasis are very talented. Mainly at making loud rock and roll songs which are best sung at the top of your voice with friends. Ah wait......


Now I see why you don;t like them. Never mind you'll get over it.

Dear fucking god, you are the biggest twat on these forums. You would be the guy who was spouting on about So Solid Crew recently, hmm, they were Uk Garage last time I listened. Trip Hop is a terrible name given to a genre that is derived from...*GASP* Hip Hop, eminently danceable I'm afraid, and yes, I've managed to dance to most of their stuff, don't confuse your lack of rhythm with something not being dance music, fuckwit.

Mos Def makes Hip Hop, hence the whole being on Rawkus thing, a, wait for it, 'Hip Hop label'.

As for your arguments for Oasis, you might as well extend that to the fucking Nu-Metal scene, very good for shouting out with your mates. If that's your definition of good music you may as well crawl back into your fucking hole and die as you clearly know nothing about any form of music.

Nice dig about the friends, 'tis very true as well, you fucking nonce, if you are going to try to defend the most risible band in the country, at least try to come up with some musical based argument, instead of some tired formulaic one liner. Typical northern twat, fuck off back up North and take Oasis with you, idiot.

 

[Nibbler]

Uh-oh :uhoh:

 

[PR.]

In the "Music Forum" thread it approaches high-noon.

*closes wooden shutters over windows but peaks through the slats*

*shops close, women and children run for cover*

*silence before the storm*

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


Dear fucking god, you are the biggest twat on these forums. You would be the guy who was spouting on about So Solid Crew recently, hmm, they were Uk Garage last time I listened. Trip Hop is a terrible name given to a genre that is derived from...*GASP* Hip Hop, eminently danceable I'm afraid, and yes, I've managed to dance to most of their stuff, don't confuse your lack of rhythm with something not being dance music, fuckwit.

Mos Def makes Hip Hop, hence the whole being on Rawkus thing, a, wait for it, 'Hip Hop label'.

Hmmmm. You were dropped on the head as a child weren't you. You somehow have managed to make it as if I said "I hate hip-hop", whereas I thought it had nothing to do with anything. Having trouble following are we? Shall we have a break? OK!

*sips cuppa*

*sparks up fag*

Ready to begin again? Ok let's go!

As for your arguments for Oasis, you might as well extend that to the fucking Nu-Metal scene, very good for shouting out with your mates. If that's your definition of good music you may as well crawl back into your fucking hole and die as you clearly know nothing about any form of music.

I would describe Oasis as a band who play catchy rock and roll. It's good enough for me *shrug* But unfortunately, the self styled musical gurus who thought they knew it all cos they heard Paranoid Android on Radio 1 once, decided that Oasis had no musical talent and were generally shit. These were the people who assumed all Oasis fans were Northeners. Utter fags basically. Apparently that if the Gallaghers are as untaletned as we are led to believe we could all write "Cast No Shadow" or "The Masterplan" and go on to sell millions of albums.

Scooba, You are an utter fag.

Have a Nice Day.

 

[caLLous]

Ironic that Oasis' B-Sides were often better than the singles that they were released on. Oh, and you forgot Talk Tonight and Flashbax.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Bodhi
Hmmmm. You were dropped on the head as a child weren't you. You somehow have managed to make it as if I said "I hate hip-hop", whereas I thought it had nothing to do with anything. Having trouble following are we? Shall we have a break? OK!

Oh dear, the classic move of someone with absolutely no backup for their arguemnts, the classic 'Attempt to push the argument in another direction' I showed why Massive Attack are a dance band, and you've ignored that, I didn't say you hate hip hop, that's you ignoring the facts. Next time if you wish to ignore the actual thrust of the discussion, just say so, sure you'll still look like an MP on the spot, but at least you'll have a tiny amount of respect for not bullshitting, still, it's what I've come to expect of lowlifes who try to talk above their own heads.

Originally posted by Bodhi
I would describe Oasis as a band who play catchy rock and roll. It's good enough for me *shrug* But unfortunately, the self styled musical gurus who thought they knew it all cos they heard Paranoid Android on Radio 1 once, decided that Oasis had no musical talent and were generally shit. These were the people who assumed all Oasis fans were Northeners. Utter fags basically. Apparently that if the Gallaghers are as untaletned as we are led to believe we could all write "Cast No Shadow" or "The Masterplan" and go on to sell millions of albums.

Scooba, You are an utter fag.

Have a Nice Day.

Awww, how sweet, my knowledge of music must be based around Radiohead and Radio One! It appears that your argument for Oasis being talented musically is that they've sold Millions of Albums, whooo! Oasis' last album achievied just over one million trade sales in all territories (I don't have actual retail figures to hand), on par with the debut Sclub7 album, a band, whom using your arguement must be at least as musically talented as Oasis. Hmm, Britney's last album sold 6 times as well as the Oasis album, I guess that makes her almost as talented as The Beatles! Like Oasis by all means, however, don't try to hold them up as talented song writers or musicians, because they aren't. Oasis appeal to one mindset, and that is as you described, Drunken singing with your mates, it doesn't take talent to write music for that market. Strong chords and very easy lyrics are the order of the day, although, I suppose to someone who knows absolutely nothing about music it'd seem like a big deal, ever wonder why when you are at a party and some 3 chord guitarist gets out an acoustic he can play most Oasis songs?

All it takes to suceed in the Oaiss target market is being first, Blur competed with the Great Escape album, but got bored very quickly. It's a sad testament to the Gallaghers creativity that all their album sound the same, something that you could never level at a band like Blur.

 

[xenon2000]

Scooba: I'm not getting into the argument but I object to some of the things you say. I still totally disagree with Massive Attack being labelled as a dance act - it's one of many cases of people thinking all electronic music originated from dance. The tempo, tone, attitude and general feel of their music is about a million miles away from anything you'd hear in a dance club. Either way, I love Massive Attack and like most dance, so it doesn't make a huge degree of difference

Oasis aren't geniuses, but they have a degree of musical talent when it comes to writing and performing, and got to where they are because of it, unlike S Club 7 & Britney Spears who practically achieved it through marketing alone. True, like the aforementioned, most of their larger tracks will no doubt be remembered and sung along to in many years time, but they got there the hard way. I really can't see any cheap nu-metal artists alongside them either.

If there's any reason I appreciate Oasis, it's for the fact that their reign at the top of the music-business was one of the last periods of time where you actually had to have talent to dominate the charts. Shame we were oblivious to it all then, thinking the Take That sound was a short-lived phase

 

[xane]

Originally posted by xenon2000
If there's any reason I appreciate Oasis, it's for the fact that their reign at the top of the music-business was one of the last periods of time where you actually had to have talent to dominate the charts. Shame we were oblivious to it all then, thinking the Take That sound was a short-lived phase

Strangely this is history repeating itself, back in the days of the Beatles, which ironically Oasis have been accused of plagarising, the same thing happened and cookie-cutter bands were being rolled out on a daily basis, you can name hundreds of one hit wonders from the period.

I know what you mean tho, and I liked Blur too

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by xenon2000
Scooba: I'm not getting into the argument but I object to some of the things you say. I still totally disagree with Massive Attack being labelled as a dance act - it's one of many cases of people thinking all electronic music originated from dance. The tempo, tone, attitude and general feel of their music is about a million miles away from anything you'd hear in a dance club. Either way, I love Massive Attack and like most dance, so it doesn't make a huge degree of difference

You go to the wrong sort of clubs then. Something doesn't have to have a pulsing beat to be 'dance'. Dub is uber chilled out, yet is still played in clubs across London, and Dub is closest to what MA do. It seems to really be a matter of semantics, Dance is almost certainly the broadest genre of music, and despite the name isn't really a case of describing stuff you dance to. Most chillout rooms in clubs play varients of dance that make you want to relax and nod along to, it might not make you want to leap around, but it's certainly still in the genre of dance. Same for MA, 'Dance' isn't restricted to a single tempo, tone, or attitude as you say, however, I would say that the general feel is the same as other dance. Many of the tracks off Mezzanine reminded me instantly of darker techno tracks, and looking back remind me now of many of Dave Clarke's remixes, the same dark brooding energy.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


Awww, how sweet, my knowledge of music must be based around Radiohead and Radio One! It appears that your argument for Oasis being talented musically is that they've sold Millions of Albums, whooo! Oasis' last album achievied just over one million trade sales in all territories (I don't have actual retail figures to hand), on par with the debut Sclub7 album, a band, whom using your arguement must be at least as musically talented as Oasis. Hmm, Britney's last album sold 6 times as well as the Oasis album, I guess that makes her almost as talented as The Beatles! Like Oasis by all means, however, don't try to hold them up as talented song writers or musicians, because they aren't. Oasis appeal to one mindset, and that is as you described, Drunken singing with your mates, it doesn't take talent to write music for that market. Strong chords and very easy lyrics are the order of the day, although, I suppose to someone who knows absolutely nothing about music it'd seem like a big deal, ever wonder why when you are at a party and some 3 chord guitarist gets out an acoustic he can play most Oasis songs?

All it takes to suceed in the Oaiss target market is being first, Blur competed with the Great Escape album, but got bored very quickly. It's a sad testament to the Gallaghers creativity that all their album sound the same, something that you could never level at a band like Blur.

I said Oasis were talented because they wrote catchy rock and roll. What part of that did you miss? Still having trouble understanding are we?

Oh dear, the classic move of someone with absolutely no backup for their arguemnts, the classic 'Attempt to push the argument in another direction' I showed why Massive Attack are a dance band, and you've ignored that, I didn't say you hate hip hop, that's you ignoring the facts. Next time if you wish to ignore the actual thrust of the discussion, just say so, sure you'll still look like an MP on the spot, but at least you'll have a tiny amount of respect for not bullshitting, still, it's what I've come to expect of lowlifes who try to talk above their own heads.

I believe it was you who brought up hip-hop for no apparent reason. If anything, you managed to prove that MA are closer to hip-hop than dance. Well done. Have a gold star.

Massive Attack are only dance music if :-
a) You're stuck in 1991 when a better description of them wasn't available.
b) You're one of those deeply lamey people who, as Xenon said, classify any electronic music whatsoever as "dance". According to your theory, Jean Michelle Jarre and Radiohead's Kid A are both in the "wide spectrum of dance".

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Bodhi


I believe it was you who brought up hip-hop for no apparent reason. If anything, you managed to prove that MA are closer to hip-hop than dance. Well done. Have a gold star.

Why do you have the idea that Hip hop isn't dance music? That genre came into existance for people to dance to, even under your dozy description of Dance that counts, do try to keep up.

Originally posted by Bodhi

Massive Attack are only dance music if :-
a) You're stuck in 1991 when a better description of them wasn't available.
b) You're one of those deeply lamey people who, as Xenon said, classify any electronic music whatsoever as "dance". According to your theory, Jean Michelle Jarre and Radiohead's Kid A are both in the "wide spectrum of dance".

Trip Hop is a label made up by the Guardian, it's not anything in actuallity. Parts of Kid A are dance music, lo Ideoteque; Techno, lo EIIRP; Techno. Jean Michelle Jarre's recent stuff has definitely been dance, especially C'est La Vie.

I know, how about we just agree that you don't have a clue about music and leave it there?

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


Trip Hop is a label made up by the Guardian, it's not anything in actuallity. Parts of Kid A are dance music, lo Ideoteque; Techno, lo EIIRP; Techno. Jean Michelle Jarre's recent stuff has definitely been dance, especially C'est La Vie.

You know for a while I almost accused you of having a clue. However your last response has proved that you haven't. Judging by your definition of Techno, Pink Floyd were also techno, along with early Genesis. Which is what EEIRP is basically trying to copy. Idioteque I'll make a concession about, as it was their attempt to make something you could dance to.

Trip-hop is very real. It's what MA, Tricky, Portishead and similar bands fall into. Just because it doesnt fall into your strange world where all forms of music are dance music doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Why do you have the idea that Hip hop isn't dance music? That genre came into existance for people to dance to, even under your dozy description of Dance that counts, do try to keep up.

This is possibly the funniest thing I have ever read. Hip-hop is dance music? Say that to anyone who listens to a lot of hip-hop, you would probably get lynched.

Scooba. Face it. You are wrong.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

I'd just like to laugh at scooba for being utterly wrong and a spastic. Thanks.

 

[old.Kez]

I'm avoiding getting involved, sort of.
Trip Hop is a label made up by the Guardian, it's not anything in actuallity.

What relevance is who named the genre? its blatantly there, regardless. There's no almighty genre dictator, genres are named by the masses or the people who listen to them - or both.

Now all of you shut up being twats, we've clearly demonstrated why we don't need a music forum, move along.

 

[Scooba Da Bass]

Originally posted by Wazzerphuk
I'd just like to laugh at scooba for being utterly wrong and a spastic. Thanks.

Lo for knowing absolutely nothing, and having nothing to contribute to the thread other than the fact thatyou'd love to have Bodhi's man milk shooting down your throat, keep dreaming, IT MIGHT HAPPEN!

 

[old.Pau1]

hip hop is dance music
hence Entroducing being voted the best DANCE album of all time by Muzik Magazine.
trip hop doesnt exist
its simply a genre invented by those who dont like hip hop yet like the alt stylings of massive attack, portishead, tricky, shadow et al.
ask the artists they arent making trip hop.

 

[Wazzerphuk]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


Lo for knowing absolutely nothing, and having nothing to contribute to the thread other than the fact thatyou'd love to have Bodhi's man milk shooting down your throat, keep dreaming, IT MIGHT HAPPEN!

Aha, once again he jumps to conclusions. If you'd ever pay any attention, you'd realise me and Bods have probably argued more than anyone on these boards. And I said nothing about him anyway, my comment was about YOU. I was in no way supporting Bodhi, I was disagreeing with you. I think you need to learn how the English language works before you can start coming back with pathetic childlike comments like that.

 

[bodhi]

Originally posted by Scooba Da Bass


Lo for knowing absolutely nothing, and having nothing to contribute to the thread other than the fact thatyou'd love to have Bodhi's man milk shooting down your throat, keep dreaming, IT MIGHT HAPPEN!

Stop avoiding the issue that you are wrong you shit cunt.

trip hop doesnt exist

There's no almighty genre dictator, genres are named by the masses or the people who listen to them - or both.

Now please die quietly in the corner.

 

[mr.Blacky]

Originally posted by Pau1
hip hop is dance music
hence Entroducing being voted the best DANCE album of all time by Muzik Magazine.
trip hop doesnt exist
its simply a genre invented by those who dont like hip hop yet like the alt stylings of massive attack, portishead, tricky, shadow et al.
ask the artists they arent making trip hop.

last time i heard that question asked they said they made music.
Genres are made up constantly so saying that a something doesn't excist caus you feel that it is part of something else thats lame and dumb. Also you yourself are saying that is and alt style, alternative style is they become large enough often get a name of itself.

Scooba what is this bashing about Northeners? Are you yealous caus they know what hard work is?
Look dont get me wrong but this is about defenitions and taste, arguments like these are foolish and pointless. Nobody will change taste caus what he read in a forum. Opinions perhaps...

 

[xenon2000]

Originally posted by Wazzerphuk
I'd just like to laugh at scooba for being utterly wrong and a spastic. Thanks.

Up to your usual standard of intelligent, thoughtful and valuable contributions I see?

Pau1, stop speaking utter bollocks. Genres are defined and predominantly used by the advertising market to classify people's taste. The term 'Trip Hop' is used by record companies and popular magazines alike, so therefore it exists.
And although MA's music hardly fits squarely among dance, they are part of a similar culture, true, considering their background... I'm still not sure about that one. Hip Hop, however, is NOT dance in the slightest. Sure you can dance to it, but you can also dance to a ballad, or a rock tune for that matter - the cultures/scenes are completely different. Muzik Magazine are shit, I know after reading it for over a year about their shitness when it comes to classifying and sterotyping in the music scene.

Argh, need a break...

 

[old.Pau1]

hehe
i wasnt singing the praises of Muzik mag
as that top 10 is shit
but i was just proving a point.
i dont agree on the other hand about hip hop being seperate from other dance genres.
DJ Craze for example tonight on worldwide
Hip hop/Turntablism/Drum and Bass
a load of the top notch dance producers progressed from hip hop
its impossible to ignore
and all dance music that has ignored tends to bollocks.
hideous generalisation i know.

 

[man like tong]

Floyd was prog rock, Kraftwerk where inspired by stuff that people like floyd made and in turn created early techno, Africa Bambatta liked kraftwerk and made electro, electro started to bind with this new and upcoming "hip-hop" and became part of the "hip-hop" scene, The hip hop scene inspired some rockers and hip hop flowed into nu metal.

See where I'm coming from now...blend, blend, and blend.

Ok British hip hop turned into trip hop, trip hop in turn turned into big beat, big beat died and turned into break beat, Break beat shuffled its bpms up and became straight up techno.

When did it stop being hip-hop and start being dance? My point ladies and Gents is that from trip hop to techno took about 8 years. One mans Dance IS another’s HIP HOP.

So now you understand that I have no alignment to any sides in this argument let me solve them.

Massive Attacks "Blue Lines" was British hip hop fused with Dub, However Unfinished Symphony is without a doubt a seminal DANCE masterpiece therefore Massive attack are...DUN DUN DUN BOTH!
"Protection" saw MA distancing themselfs from Hip Hop (but was an influence) it also had roots in the drug fucked Dub camp. If it were any other genre would have been called "acid" whatever (e.g. Acid House, Acid Techno, Acid Jazz). "Acid Hip Hop" would have sounded shit so "Trip Hop" was born.

Trip Hop was taken by the media and spun so much people didn't have a clue what it meant, Chemical Brothers early stuff trip hop? Hell No it was electro fused with funk.
Who knows how "portishead" were Trip Hop because they were just soul and funk fused with hip-hop .. Don't believe me listen to "Black Moses" by Isaac Hayes and play sample spotting with Portisheads "Dummy".
However Trip Hop in a shop would be filed under the WIDE spectrum of Dance, not Hip Hop because A: it's not hip-hop it's a hybrid, and B: It's British and why would we give an American sound any credit?
So Victory for..........fuck knows take what you want from that.

Argument B:

I define a GREAT band by how their music changes with the times and if you can see them grow.

Oasis made Defiantly Maybe, It was fucking amazing. I saw them in a local club, they rocked, I Rocked, It Rocked. Oasis made that second album that I can't remember the name of because it wasn't that memorable, True it had most of oasis's greatest tracks on there, but it was same ole formula. They waited 4 years was it? and made Standing on the shoulders blah blah, it sucked, how can a band make the same record 30 times on one album? How can they not grow as a band, learn new instruments.. LEARN TO FUCKING SING. and then have the audacity to badmouth the constantly changing sound of blur, AGAIN!
Now forget the fact that the last album didn't do well, and that the single only made the top ten for a week. They've come back yet again with the same formula, the same SONG! and this time they've even named it in a beatles-esq manor!
Oasis, by sheer laziness are no longer a good band.

3rdly,
Don't sing to Oasis if your drinking beer because A: It makes you look like a student and B: GET SOME FUCKING CLASS.

 

[Summo]

Wow! The ActionNation boys have been talking to each other! Tongy storms in like a big disco elephant with Valid Points woven around his ivory tusks.

I like Blur.

That's my contribution to this debate. Thanks.

 

[old.Kez]

Lets be honest gents, Tong has utterly owned you all, for lack of a better description.*

gg Mistah.

*pre-internetia I could've thought up an half-decent alternative, I now posess the attention span and language manipulation abilities of a common goldfish

 

[.cage]

Originally posted by Pau1
hip hop is dance music
hence Entroducing being voted the best DANCE album of all time by Muzik Magazine.
trip hop doesnt exist
its simply a genre invented by those who dont like hip hop yet like the alt stylings of massive attack, portishead, tricky, shadow et al.
ask the artists they arent making trip hop.

Hmm, I like hiphop, and all the 'trip hop' artists you listed there.

Am I weird?

And yes, tong is right.

 

[Skyler]

I cba to read it all, do me a nice roundup please someone