Mud Pie?

[tierk]

This link just made feel so sad This is what people are forced to do to just eat and we have so much surplus food in the world.

Haiti's poor resort to eating dirt - Haiti - MSNBC.com

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tempted to say, do something about it. Stop being poor. Move, should be easy with nothing owned. Go somewhere were there is plants?

Roughly speaking, you can either eat mud or change things.

Sure, people could send food to them from all around the world and all of the worlds problems would be solved if we all could just, get along, but...not gonna happen. Mostly because of what you, me, your friends, my friends, everyone is. Sel-f*cking-fish.

If you feel bad about it, why not buy canned foods from your wage, say 10% worth and send it over. Bet that would make a lot of them happy. Will you?

 

[Gorbachioo]

Tempted to say, do something about it. Stop being poor. Move, should be easy with nothing owned. Go somewhere were there is plants?

Roughly speaking, you can either eat mud or change things.

Sure, people could send food to them from all around the world and all of the worlds problems would be solved if we all could just, get along, but...not gonna happen. Mostly because of what you, me, your friends, my friends, everyone is. Sel-f*cking-fish.

If you feel bad about it, why not buy canned foods from your wage, say 10% worth and send it over. Bet that would make a lot of them happy. Will you?

What the fuck is wrong with people here? This reply and the Africa thread... i mean..... er...... Nevermind. You're right, they're poor because they are lazy and we're rich because we work so hard!

 

[old.Tohtori]

What the fuck is wrong with people here? This reply and the Africa thread... i mean..... er...... Nevermind. You're right, they're poor because they are lazy and we're rich because we work so hard!

If you want to read it so simply, go ahead and do.

But in reagrds to "wrong with people", well, everyone doesn't have to care about the enviroment, everyone doesn't have to care about complete strangers and everyone doesn't have to give a f*ck about poverty somewhere because YOU do. You could give two rats asses about my problems, as you've told on many occasions, so don't come and judge me for not caring about someone elses.

Not to mention when i was unemployed, you were saying things like "you're lazy! you could get work if you wanted!" etc, so pot, kettle.

AND, have to ask you Gorbachioo too, what are YOU doing about it? Except acting high and mighty.

 

[Ezteq]

its pretty bad when you consider how mush uneaten food is thrown out by house holds and i have personal experience in this by supermarkets because the stock is in damaged packaging, there is nothing wrong with the food but because the container is damaged it could lead to some one sueing the supermarket..ASDA.

they compact and throw away thousands of pounds worth of food each week per store, the one i worked at was a piddley little outfit but still so much food was waisted it was unbelievable. Bags of flour would be dumped because the member of staff unpacking them had accedentally slashed the paper flour bag, there was also 4 big 7 foot cages full of packets of crisps that had been left to go beyond the sell by date and had to be thrown away Oo

its atrocious that these big corporations would rather throw food away than give it to homeless shelters for fear of being sued...oh and that they cant reclaim the money on their insurance unless they destroy it

 

[Castus]

Thet eat mud we eat McDonalds..... whose worse off?

 

[Gorbachioo]

If you want to read it so simply, go ahead and do.

But in reagrds to "wrong with people", well, everyone doesn't have to care about the enviroment, everyone doesn't have to care about complete strangers and everyone doesn't have to give a f*ck about poverty somewhere because YOU do. You could give two rats asses about my problems, as you've told on many occasions, so don't come and judge me for not caring about someone elses.

Not to mention when i was unemployed, you were saying things like "you're lazy! you could get work if you wanted!" etc, so pot, kettle.

AND, have to ask you Gorbachioo too, what are YOU doing about it? Except acting high and mighty.

And how should i read it then? If you dont care about those things then you're an irresponsible asshole. I dont give a fuck about your problems because you are the only reason for them. Like i said the last time we discussed this in Finland we're all what we make of ourselves. And second of all, are you really comparing your problems with this?

You could get work if you wanted. Perhaps just not the kind you would prefer. Hell you dont even need work, you'll still live like a king compared to rest of the world. And i didnt call you lazy. I simply pointed out that you have nothing to be bitter about to this country.

What am i going to do about it? Well so far not much, and i cant promise i ever will. But that doesnt mean i dont care, im just too much of a realist to think that i could make a difference. And id like to point out that i havent critisized anyone for not doing anything, im just saying that your comment was ridiculous.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And how should i read*snip* ridiculous.

1: Semantics. Maybe you didnt say "you're lazy" in so many words, but it was there, implied as strongly as a fat woman is fat, no matter how much it's a tabu to talk about. And about thme being "my reason", f*ck off. This has been explained to you too, but you just refuse to listen that some people may have it "rough" with or without their fault. Oh...like those people you're talking about, only in a bigger scale.

2: It has nothing to do if my problems are same as those people have, ofcourse it's not, but the example was about you not giving a cr*p about one person and giving a cr*p about another person, and how it's a personal thing if and who you DO give a cr*p about. It doesn't make someone an irresponsible a-hole if i have OTHER things to worry about, then a country thousands of miles away that i can't do anything about(like you yourself said). Selfish? Sure, but so are all. ALL. A bit coldhearted? Again, sure, but i care for my tribe and not for a tribe around the world. Irresponsible? You have no f*cking idea what i do and don't do. So f*ck right off.

3: Like i said, what are you, all high and mighty, doing about it? Nothing. Hypocritical bastard i say.You could easily live "like a king" with 5000 euro less a year, hell, probably 10k a year, but you won't because you "want stuff" and want to "live like this". You know what that 10k would do over there? Probably buy hell of a lot of rice, other food, water, other stuff for the people.

But you judge, you go ahead and call me an irresponsible a-hole for actually saying(*shockhorror*) i don't care about other peoples problems, and you go ahead and hide behind that vail of "realist".

EDIT: And f*ck me sideways i'm gonna go apesh*t if you use; A: you're twisting things B: Some random insult and "you don't get it" or C: That "world IS our responsibility" crap.

Also, funny enough, when i say this here, it's an "outrage", if i said it on stage, i'd be a f*cking millionaire.

 

[Zede]

1: Semantics. Maybe you didnt say "you're lazy" in so many words, but it was there, implied as strongly as a fat woman is fat, no matter how much it's a tabu to talk about. And about thme being "my reason", f*ck off. This has been explained to you too, but you just refuse to listen that some people may have it "rough" with or without their fault. Oh...like those people you're talking about, only in a bigger scale.

2: It has nothing to do if my problems are same as those people have, ofcourse it's not, but the example was about you not giving a cr*p about one person and giving a cr*p about another person, and how it's a personal thing if and who you DO give a cr*p about. It doesn't make someone an irresponsible a-hole if i have OTHER things to worry about, then a country thousands of miles away that i can't do anything about(like you yourself said). Selfish? Sure, but so are all. ALL. A bit coldhearted? Again, sure, but i care for my tribe and not for a tribe around the world. Irresponsible? You have no f*cking idea what i do and don't do. So f*ck right off.

3: Like i said, what are you, all high and mighty, doing about it? Nothing. Hypocritical bastard i say.You could easily live "like a king" with 5000 euro less a year, hell, probably 10k a year, but you won't because you "want stuff" and want to "live like this". You know what that 10k would do over there? Probably buy hell of a lot of rice, other food, water, other stuff for the people.

But you judge, you go ahead and call me an irresponsible a-hole for actually saying(*shockhorror*) i don't care about other peoples problems, and you go ahead and hide behind that vail of "realist".

EDIT: And f*ck me sideways i'm gonna go apesh*t if you use; A: you're twisting things B: Some random insult and "you don't get it" or C: That "world IS our responsibility" crap.

Also, funny enough, when i say this here, it's an "outrage", if i said it on stage, i'd be a f*cking millionaire.

ive read a lot of your posts over the years, and enjoyed what you have wrote.

sorry, but you HAVE LOST THE FUCKING PLOT on this one.

your a nasty little shit.

go on, give me some your testosterone ranting please.

 

[tierk]

......If you feel bad about it, why not buy canned foods from your wage, say 10% worth and send it over. Bet that would make a lot of them happy. Will you?

Well let me just put you in the picture. Qatar is a exceptionally wealthy country and we have one of the highest G.D.P per capita in the world, currently $61,000 (as of 2006) Qatar (07/07)

Despite this we have a very large number of very poor people living in Qatar. I mean this in a relative way, in the sense that they work stupidly stupid hours, under conditions that would be considered babaric if it was to occur in say the EU.

We (i mean my familly) where always brought up to believe that when you wanted to do some good (charity work) you should always look to those nearest to you that would need help. If those nearest to you i.e. your familly members where not in need of help then you would widen the circle to look at your friends and neighbours. If they where not in need of help then you would go out into the wider community and this circle would widen and widen depending on circumstances and the depth of your pocket. Below i have included a very nice article that pretty much describes what i mean in more detail.

Charity in Islam

Now, every month, i go out and buy two 50kg bags of rice and i also purchase one or two sheep (depending on how good a month it has been) for slaughter and distribution to poor people that i know live near to where i live.

I dont do this to get famous or with an expectation that one day these people will do something for me. I do this because it is a duty and a responsibility as a human and a Muslim to do so. Also it is something
that my father did for pretty much his whole life time in Qatar and i hope that my children will one day continue this.

The reason i posted that link wasnt as some sort of appeal to people to send money or canned food as you suggest but rather as a way for people to give thanks for what they have in life and see that there people out there eating MUD to fill there stomachs who have none of the things that we do.

I wont even bother to ask if or what you do as that is none of my business but what i would say is before you condemn a person try to picture life in their shoes just for a moment and then, if you think you would do better then them feel free to accuse or abuse.

If you have problems finding work you liked in a country like Finland, imagine what others must go and do that they didnt like just to be able to get a crust to eat.

 

[Hawkwind]

Nice one Tierk, charity should start close to home. :worthy:

 

[aika]

where can i buy a sheep :O

you're right about the thrown food issue, however it will cost them lots of money to pack it and deliver it to the poor ppl in another country, and there's no way to make sure it actually reaches the people, and not going to some corrupted politian

And its not so easy and sometimes not even possible to change something when you're poor, cause usually you are stuck in some village or remote location with no work available, and you cant really move somewhere else because you have no money, or simply there's no place better in your country. And when you dont have work or another source of income, you basically have none because in those countries they dont have all those social care things like in the west, when you have unemployment wages etc.

 

[old.Tohtori]

ive read a lot of your posts over the years, and enjoyed what you have wrote.

sorry, but you HAVE LOST THE FUCKING PLOT on this one.

your a nasty little shit.

go on, give me some your testosterone ranting please.

Why should i rant at you? You haven't said anything but insult me, on an issue that mostly isn't even towards you.

How about telling why i'm in the wrong there?

You most likely read it with the "ooh bad eprson" attitude in mind, which sets your mind right off any reasoning.

Well let me just put *snip* have problems finding work you liked in a country like Finland, imagine what others must go and do that they didnt like just to be able to get a crust to eat.

Exactly my point. I got enough things to do around my family and friends, to even start bothering about people across the sea. I just didn't say it as nicely, because frankly, i can't be jolly f*cking rancher every day. You're doing good, and that's ok in my book and as such you can moralize on helping others, but people who just say "you're sh*t for not caring" while all they do is SAY they care, is just complete horsecack.

Just because i say "i don't care about that", i'm suddenly scum of the earth. Fine.

About placing myself in their shoes, not possible. I can imagine, maybe, for 1% of the conditions, but if conditions were like that, i'd be one to get the f*ck out. BUT, if i had lived there, it would not be that my brain worked as such. so it's all very iffy-maybe.

About "If you have problems finding work you liked in a country like Finland, imagine what others must go and do that they didnt like just to be able to get a crust to eat."

I can, but people like Gorbachioo don't seem to. Those kind of people piss me off, which is why my post had a touch of anger in it, as they think jobs grow on trees and that it's easy life to be unemployed etc.

 

[kivik]

I can imagine, maybe, for 1% of the conditions, but if conditions were like that, i'd be one to get the f*ck out.

I've heard about people from North Africa trying to get the f*ck out. Thousands of them drown trying to get to the other side. And if they do get to the other side, they are most likely arrested and sent back home again.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I've heard about people from North Africa trying to get the f*ck out. Thousands of them drown trying to get to the other side. And if they do get to the other side, they are most likely arrested and sent back home again.

Yeah, like i said, try, can't know what it's like, no idea. Also, please don't take that out of context, the BUT part is quite necessary.

Why i said "Tempted to say, do something about it. Stop being poor. Move, should be easy with nothing owned. Go somewhere were there is plants? Roughly speaking, you can either eat mud or change things."

is for two reasons. First is that i don't worry my head with those people, even if that DOESN'T MEAN I WANT THEM TO SUFFER either *points finger* and secondly, because it just seems unphantomly of an idea to eat mud as substance when there's plants and fish and such.

Maybe it is just because one can't even imagine the situation, who knows, but i'm sure i'm not the only one here who doesn't care about it as such and who thinks "why the f*ck don't they move?"

And yes, about hypocritical bastards who judge others for not caring wen they do sh*t all. Not tierk. tierk does, and does it as should, own tribe first.

 

[old.Tohtori]

The reason i posted that link wasnt as some sort of appeal to people to send money or canned food as you suggest but rather as a way for people to give thanks for what they have in life and see that there people out there eating MUD to fill there stomachs who have none of the things that we do.

I know it wasn't the reason, but the funny thing is, that if this forum section even, what, 20 people of us here, would take that 10% out of our wages and send it there, we could easily feed a village, two, maybe even three.

Fixing problems starts from individuals and small things, not some magic stick waving of a government.

But how many here would be willing to do it? Not many. And it's msotly 'cause A: we have own problems and B: we'ree, basically, not THAT caring even if some act like it.

I can't help even my closest friends as much as i would want, as i'm working 6-7h/day, for about 250e wage for living/eating(after rent etc), and will do so for the next half a year atleast. So there's not much i CAN do at the moment, but try with what i got.

 

[CorNokZ]

I can see both parts, but mostly I'm with toht on this.. How many billions of dollar has been shipped to Africa over the past 40+- years? I don't know, but it's a-fucking-lot! And what has happened in Africa over the past 40-+ years? Civil war, poverty and fuck all.. Yeah I can give 10£ every now and then to some random chartiy project that will save the world once again.. But what is happening? Nada! And that's a fact!

Perhabs a few countries in Africa are starting to look better and better, but the majority is still fucked over by dictators and retarded politicians(spellcheck), who cash in all the money at own expence to buy a new castle and a fuck load of cars..

I hardly ever give any money to charity anymore because I feel like I'm being screwed over everytime I put money in the jar! Perhabs it makes me feel a teeny weeny bit better in my already very nice life, but it doesn't help them at all, whatsoever! Haven't seen any change and I don't think it's going to happen in the near future, I'm afraid!

Ofcourse I feel sorry for the poor fellas, but what am I supposed to do? Go around being sad all day, because not everyone can be as lucky as I am? Sure I take every day for granted, but hey.. I was born into this live, I didn't choose it and neither did they! But then again that's life!

I think for myself and those close around me before I starting thinking and caring about the 90% of The Worlds popularity that are estimated to be poor

 

[Ezteq]

where can i buy a sheep :O

you're right about the thrown food issue, however it will cost them lots of money to pack it and deliver it to the poor ppl in another country, and there's no way to make sure it actually reaches the people, and not going to some corrupted politian

well ok then, it costs money to send it to other peope abroad but we have homeless people here in england that sure could use the food, homeless shelters etc.

if every country paid more attention to its own poor rather than sending aid to other countries im sure things would start to get better because its harder to be so judgemental when its your own.

i mean we send aid to africa but we never see the difference it makes over there do we? i just hate that there are people out there starving to death (think about it, starving to death!) and there are things we can do to help but due to fear of being sued people dont.

it makes me want to become a total hermit tbh, it really does.

 

[Gorbachioo]

So what exactly does this "own tribe first" thing mean? You're a better person if you listen to your friend whos boyfriend dumped her rather than saving someones life in Africa with a small donation? In Finland nobody needs charity. We all survive no matter what.

Im not saying you should spend your days worrying about the situation in Africa (nor am i saying that you should be completely ignorant about it). But comments like "hey you dumbasses, you wouldnt have to eat mud if you'd move!" are just....

I dont give money to charity because im a realist. I know that it wont make a difference. However, i try to vote the right way. Which i think is a better thing to do than making small donations.

And lets face it. We are the biggest reason why Africa is the way it is right now. Yes we give money to charity, but we also exploit their countries so thats like shooting someone and giving him a band aid afterwards.

 

[old.Tohtori]

So what exactl*snip* him a band aid afterwards.

Yes, what i said initially was a bit too harsh.

I've been thinking this all day, and i'm still in the process of doing so. Will comment when i get my thoughts into order.

What Zede said "you'velost the plot", struck rather well. I have, and as such, have started thinking about a lot of things.

Only thing i CAN comment now, is that even in Finland, it's not as clear cut as "we'll survive no matter what", because there's some serious issues going on Will comment later on those aswell.

About "own tribe comes first", it can be simplified by "help those closest first, then come the rest", kinda like tierk said. And by helping, i don't mean listening to some heartache. Please don't make it sound so trivial.

I'm actually getting a bit angry, not at anything here, but at few things, and a few things i've heard from friends and such, and some things are just wrong. I know i should keep to what i believe, that you should consider own life and such first, but some things are just plain wrong and i believe these things can be changed. ANYTHING can be changed.

May seem like odd jibberish now, but, well, let me get it into better format first.

 

[tierk]

.......Not tierk. tierk does, and does it as should, own tribe first.

Its not a question of my own tribe to be honest as all my tribe - familly - are doing very well out here. The people that get stuff from me are neither Shite Muslims nor Iranians. They are people that happen to live close by to my fathers old house in Doha and hence get whatever i can afford to give every month.

I certainly wouldnt call any of them my tribe unless off course you would say that all Asians are my tribe. This is just the way we have been brought up and if, God helps me to become a multi billioniare one day i will widen the circle to include people far far away from my current circle. My pocket only stretchs so far currently.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Its not a question of my own tribe to be honest as all my tribe - familly - are doing very well out here. The people that get stuff from me are neither Shite Muslims nor Iranians. They are people that happen to live close by to my fathers old house in Doha and hence get whatever i can afford to give every month.

I certainly wouldnt call any of them my tribe unless off course you would say that all Asians are my tribe. This is just the way we have been brought up and if, God helps me to become a multi billioniare one day i will widen the circle to include people far far away from my current circle. My pocket only stretchs so far currently.

Aye, i meant by "tribe", people closest first, then the town, then the country.

Tribe is just my way of saying, those closest.

 

[tierk]

Aye, i meant by "tribe", people closest first, then the town, then the country.

Tribe is just my way of saying, those closest.

 

[Mey]

If people want to give to charity don't give it to the "charity companies" that pay there exec officers 100k wages a year.