mp Chain hauberk!

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aveh

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foadon - sorta..... but just sorta... i'd call it warm. the Average cost for make + 49 retries ~= 6.5p is a figure derived from make cost + 49 * (make cost - resale value), assuming you'd be selling non-MPs back to the merchant.

lissandra - how is the very link that I used to come up with the prices for a 99% jerkin relevant?

Damon - haven't you ever played math games, such as disproving the 1=2 theorem and such? you've totally failed to get the point, provide any sort of reasoning, except for the arguing against the most mathematically and economically sound line of my entire post. then you call my math "shitty" when I myself pointed out there was a hole. gg dude. my maths > yours.

Originally posted by Ottar


Well, here's more.

etc..

heh, the clarity of your calculations utterly defeats my smokescreen there. respect to your accounting skills :D yes, I didn't include the stock cost of 99% hauberks that would be sold in the total stock cost.

regardless of which, if a crafter did 50 retries, made 1 MP & sold the 8 99%s on the side, working with the 5.5p and 1.5p prices respectively, they would be making a tidy profit. however, i concede the issue that market demand is kinda low at the moment, and that you need to be a hard seller (or very patient) to make this sort of profit (which you quite deserve btw)

BTW, I have purchased 2 full 99% chain suits, plus additional legs, arms, and coif. I have purchased an MP small round shield for 1.5p, a MP staff for 2p, a MP War Cleaver for 4p, a 99% War Cleaver for 700g, 99% DB Axe for 550g, MP Weighted Bearded Axe for 3.5p. I have never ever debated a price once, and in nearly all cases I've thrown in more than asked. I have never ever had an item SC'ed without giving the SCer a generous tip, unless it was made clear that the tip was already built into the prices. So please please do not get the impression that im griping about crafter prices. :D


LASTLY :D
Originally posted by Krakatau, the Dark Lord of Crafters


I really think a Crafters Union should be started

etc..

No kidding, you would be doing Midgard a huge favour if you did this. Unified pricing, easy access for Midgard's consumers to find crafters who WANT the work. If you could get all the crafters to work together on this, it'd be brilliant. It'd even be worth the inflated prices that always result when a monopolistic organisation is formed.

I was thinking about it:

A warrior needs a new weapon, he e-mails one person, saying "I need XXXXXX weapon with XXXXXX stats and XXXX proc". He gets a date & time for picking up the item. Sure, he's going to pay a lot more, because the three crafters involved will say "well we're going to charge more because we're doing the legwork", but the time he's not wasting searching for crafters he can spend down in Spindel farming thralls @ 250g+ per hour or in DF farming diamonds @ 500g+ per hour. You could even accept payment in DF diamond seals @ 9g per seal, further enriching members of your crafting guild, because who else will trinket the seals if you have every 800+ metalworker in your club?

Anywayz, just another one of my dumb 'if mid/pryd wasn't utterly self-destructive' ideas :D
 
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Krakatau

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My crafting guild ??
Hey, I'm not even guilded with all my LGM crafters - just fear when I present LGM crafter number 5 :p


Maybe I'll present my new SC pricing scheme today...

I really want to be able to accept some orders- but without being swamped in them...

But it still needs some more thinking...
But it includes material cost +standard fee + OC points modifier

Should make able to even tweak up your BG chars if it turns out right....
But for now...Off to work :(
 
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lissandra

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Aveh, the point was that there wasnt any demand for qua 99 chain hauberks, he had sold 1 of the pack he had :/
 
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oldtimer

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>Crafters Union

The Union name implies you are an employee, try Crafter's Pricing Club, an exclusive businessman/woman community.
 
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Damon_D

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aveh your just to funny.. setting up some flawed math , then editing it afterwards with a " hehe see if you can find the flaw " comment ,to try to hide that what you vrote was utter bull. Then when someone points it out , you come up with some silly comment about " have you never play'd.... " Geee think that will work when paying my taxe's dude ?????

my dog's math >>> you
 
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Krakatau

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Originally posted by oldtimer
>Crafters Union

The Union name implies you are an employee, try Crafter's Pricing Club, an exclusive businessman/woman community.

It's not exclusive... Just spend enough time- it's not harder than that :p

And I think I was the first that dared to put my prices up here on BW as a thread, and I did that without trying to lower the prices and try to sell stuff "en masse" when some other auctioned their stuff
And in the process of doing so, a lot of people told me "that's a high price bla bla". I couldn't care less- I think the prices are fair considering the time and the lockup of both of my accounts..
I can't earn exp or RP's while crafting...
I spend most time crafting -some spend most time doing RvR...

They get RP's as reward...
I'm supposed to craft and lose money in the process or what ?

Just think of that the next time you want to tweak a new lowbie char ( i.e BG) and you can't find anyone willing to do it...Then people complain like hell at the crafters not willing to do their orders...

I'm getting second thoughts about this crafting thing tbh :mad:
 
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aveh

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FAO Damon - everyone else can skip this little rant :D


Originally posted by Damon Doombring
aveh your just to funny.. setting up some flawed math , then editing it afterwards with a " hehe see if you can find the flaw " comment ,to try to hide that what you vrote was utter bull. Then when someone points it out , you come up with some silly comment about " have you never play'd.... " Geee think that will work when paying my taxe's dude ?????

my dog's math >>> you

Is there a coherent, reasonable point in that rubbish? BTW - I love how people's punctuation and spelling abilities go right out the window when they're pissed off about something. The difference in the quality of writing in your two posts is really funny :D

If you're referring to the edit, it came only 3 minutes after the original post and nearly 2 hours before the next person posted. I could have easily deleted the post before anyone saw it if the mistake was anything other than utterly intended.

Yes, after reviewing the original post, I added the PS bit. And by including the PS, I would hope that everyone would understand that :
a) I'm not an idiot, I knew there was a hole in the logic there.
b) ITS A FUN POST, DONT TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY
I originally only had the line about picking the hauberk up and the 2p as the 'punchline'. I decided that given the rampant levels of stupidity of many of the users of this board, that a PS was required to make the JOKE part of it blatant.

BTW Damon, I had already discussed the hauberks, both the MPs and the 99%s, with Tao before even starting to read this thread.

(Now I'm getting worked up. Calling my maths "shitty" really pissed me off dude. I feel like I'm Henry Rollins, cultivating rage during a stand-up routine. Except I'm nowhere near as cool as Henry.)

Now you come along, and try to lay the slap down on me, I don't know why, maybe its because you're depressed with your life or maybe its because your mummy wouldn't give you any chocolate sauce on your ice-cream tonight. We'll get back to this in a moment.

But in the attempt to insult me, you ended up looking plain silly.
1) Your first post attacked a particularly solid and inarguable line in the calculation, which was utterly wrong on your part.
2) Then you say "and thats the smallest fault in that calculation". Why didn't you point out the biggest fault in the calculation? It's not difficult. But no, making an obscure attack (which, I'll point out again, was WRONG) and then saying "and thats the smallest fault in the calculation" is the easy way when you don't really have a clue isn't it?
3) Now when I point out how silly your first post was, you then attack the Edit (made 2 hours before anyone else posted to the thread), and then, my favourite bit - YOU RELATE IT TO PAYING TAXES!!!!! :D Oh my god dude, didn't anyone tell you this is a game? You maybe, just maybe want to apply a different set of principles when moving about in real life. Hacking English people up with big Hammers and Axes = not good, however satisfying it may prove to be. Mezzing people is not only difficult to accomplish, but likewise not the done thing. And no, you can't jump on a horse and then expect it to know where the hell to go!

I just want to know why you originally posted that first 3 line piece of rubbish? Was it a bad day and you needed to piss someone else off? Are you Swedish and sick of my constant jibes towards your country? What was it? Why did you call my maths "shitty"?

I can understand the second post as a defensive little back-pedal to a side-issue in rather childish attempt to deflect the total righteousness of my reasoning (pheer my righteousness - or is that too 80's Bill & Ted/TMNT/gone the way of the dodo already?), but the reasoning behind your first post is what I'm really interested in, because I still don't understand why you even bothered to post at all....

PS.. I reserve the right to come back and edit this post in a few minutes when I've calmed down a bit.

PPS.. I did come back, edited a little bit out about the Swedes that they probably wouldn't appreciate greatly. I also edited out all the parts where I called you stupid Damon. :D
 
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Krakatau

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Originally posted by aveh
FAO Damon - everyone else can skip this little rant :D
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Are you Swedish and sick of my constant jibes towards your little country?
.....


PS.. I reserve the right to come back and edit this post in a few minutes when I've calmed down a bit.

Bah, I'm Swedish - but this post wasn't for me..lucky you !! ;)
I can feel the urge to report you to the admins for harassing me coz of my origin ;)

BTW... England have a swedish coach - Go Svennis :D
 
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aveh

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Originally posted by lissandra
Aveh, the point was that there wasnt any demand for qua 99 chain hauberks, he had sold 1 of the pack he had :/

Ah yes, you do have a good point there.

IMO - attempting to sell that many hauberks in the space of 12 hours is not a true test of demand, and that crafters who advertise and are prepared to wait a little longer are far more likely to see results.

But yes, it's plain too see that demand is not what it once was. 3 months ago, Tao would have sold all those 99s before they were even finished.
 
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aveh

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Originally posted by Krakatau
Bah, I'm Swedish - but this post wasn't for me..lucky you !! ;)
I can feel the urge to report you to the admins for harassing me coz of my origin ;)

BTW... England have a swedish coach - Go Svennis :D


But I wub you and all the weapons & armor you've made for me! D:
 
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circeline

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[/B][/QUOTE] But yes, it's plain too see that demand is not what it once was. 3 months ago, Tao would have sold all those 99s before they were even finished. [/B][/QUOTE]

hopefully Taobitz investment wont be wasted when all the /level chars in a week or 2 reach lvl 50 and want SC armor.
 
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Damon_D

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To aveh: LOL yeah what ever..keep the bad excusses comming..
Especialy you poiting out it just for fun , and then telling me your getting into a rage fit.... I can imagin you jumping up and down in your little confined play space , whilst you mom pad's you head and tells you it will be allright

btw if you cant read what I'm writing I'm realy sorry, I can start to write in my native language then, and we can see how that goes then ok ??? Så kan jeg sende falck forbi, og få dem til at hjælpe dig med, at trække dit hoved ud af din røv :rolleyes:

ps I came back to tell you , I dont care if stupid peopel call's me stupid.... Ohhh and no I'm not swedish, I'm danish, like all realy cool peopel are :p

pps Sorry Tao for messing up ya thread..but It kept it bumped atleast ;)
 
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Cami

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Originally posted by Damon Doombring
pps Sorry Tao for messing up ya thread..but It kept it bumped atleast ;)


he said he wouldnt sell it, for like 20 posts ago :p
 
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Damon_D

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Nahh I'm sure he will.. peopel just have to pay ThE PrIcE
 
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aveh

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Originally posted by Damon Doombring
To aveh: LOL yeah what ever..keep the bad excusses comming..
Especialy you poiting out it just for fun , and then telling me your getting into a rage fit.... I can imagin you jumping up and down in your little confined play space , whilst you mom pad's you head and tells you it will be allright

btw if you cant read what I'm writing I'm realy sorry, I can start to write in my native language then, and we can see how that goes then ok ??? Så kan jeg sende falck forbi, og få dem til at hjælpe dig med, at trække dit hoved ud af din røv :rolleyes:

ps I came back to tell you , I dont care if stupid peopel call's me stupid.... Ohhh and no I'm not swedish, I'm danish, like all realy cool peopel are :p

pps Sorry Tao for messing up ya thread..but It kept it bumped atleast ;)

I could read your posts fine. I never said I couldn't. But do feel free to throw in that English is your second language, for seemingly no reason at all. BTW - who cares if you can speak another language really? It's a dieing language, just like nearly every language apart from English. Why bother learning it at all?

My comment was more to the implication that children generally become incoherent when they get agitated, while adults become more specific :D

And heres an insult, in my language:

"Ya bloody woolly boofhead."
 
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Cami

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Originally posted by aveh
BTW - who cares if you can speak another language really? It's a dieing language, just like nearly every language apart from English. Why bother learning it at all?


Aveh, stop speaking...
 
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old.Wagn

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Originally posted by aveh
It's a dieing language, just like nearly every language apart from English. Why bother learning it at all?
Dying.
If you even you english can't learn your own language, how do you expect the rest of us to be able to?
 
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Damon_D

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Originally posted by aveh
I could read your posts fine. I never said I couldn't. But do feel free to throw in that English is your second language, for seemingly no reason at all. BTW - who cares if you can speak another language really? It's a dieing language, just like nearly every language apart from English. Why bother learning it at all?

My comment was more to the implication that children generally become incoherent when they get agitated, while adults become more specific :D

And heres an insult, in my language:

"Ya bloody woolly boofhead."

Actualy english is only my third language

Well you be glad that so many peopel speak english, your clearly not intelligent enough to learn a diff language

/dismiss
 
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Krakatau

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Originally posted by Damon Doombring
Actualy english is only my third language

Well you be glad that so many peopel speak english, your clearly not intelligent enough to learn a diff language

/dismiss
Don't !!
Now he's gonna pick on your spelling ;)
 
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Damon_D

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So ??? I never said my spelling was perfect, but I bet its better than his danish
 
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taobitzz

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well... ur right it did keep it bumped :) but ive sold about 10 of the 99%s (about another 9 left .. come buy!:D) And yea im gonna keep the mp's until i get the right price for them , have 4 rofl:/
on a good note all this talking kept me from going bored tryin to sell them :) ow! really think should stop all the childs play and play nice :) <points at Damon and aveh> /hug
 
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aveh

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Originally posted by Cami
Aveh, stop speaking...

I should follow this advice, but I'm too stubborn to. This has gotten totally off the point anyway. It's like arguing with a child who keeps reading whatever the hell they want, failing to understand what's being said, and then responding based on their misinterpretation.

I never criticised your English skills Damon. Whenever Ive read these boards, I usually make do with what I can read, unless its total 1337speek gibberish - which in your case it clearly was not. I WAS totally perplexed why you had to bring up that English was not your native language. If you had read what I had posted, you would see that I was not making a criticism of your second post, but a comparison between the first and second posts. I would make this comparison, and the same point, regardless of whether you are a native english speaker or not.

I don't mean to demean the people who are multi-lingual. Yes, of course its a hell of a lot harder learning two languages than one. I myself never studied any language aside from Latin for more than a year - and even that I can't remember more than a few words of. RESPECT TO YOU MULTILINGUISTS, K?

BTW old.Wagn - I hope you read that point too. And next time you'll read the thread (long as it is), and understand its content before jumping in with a wannabe statement like that. But don't worry, you'll join the list of people who've increased their leetness by making stupid idiotic remarks intended to insult me in this thread.

Now if you want to make this a silly bitching argument about language, go ahead, I'm out from this point on. I believe I've made my point and defended my "shitty maths" enough, so I don't really have any more to say.

G'nite.
 
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Damon_D

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Hmm so you did not dizz my language skill's

Quote ""I love how people's punctuation and spelling abilities go right out the window when they're pissed off about something ""

Ofcourse that could never be aimed at me , cause I'm not that sad that a post here could piss me off ..slightly amuse me or make me wonder wtf someone is on about yes, pissed/mad/angry hehe no way.
But I agree that both our ramblings have kept Tao's post bumped enough now , and I will also take my leave...
 

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