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lofff

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Helme said:
It iz a known fact that runemasters get a intercepting pet, and bonedancer gets an intercepting pet..

its a known fact that bonedancers get instalifetap on 4second timer and healing pets, and that runemasters are rather rare those days. Your pityful try to make a 'funneh' failed quite horribly.

edit: oh and no, u cant compare current bd survivability on fg fights to sm one, however its still way above 'normal' casters.
 

[NO]Subedai

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lofff said:
its a known fact that bonedancers get instalifetap on 4second timer and healing pets, and that runemasters are rather rare those days. Your pityful try to make a 'funneh' failed quite horribly.

edit: oh and no, u cant compare current bd survivability on fg fights to sm one, however its still way above 'normal' casters.


bd pets/lifetap aint gonna really do much atall against a determined assist train from either caster or tanks. itll be good when u got 1-2 crapply tanks on u or 1 unbuffed caster. but sorc/cabalist is far better at surviving a bd when it comes to the crunch, as they can moc/lifetap their hpts back at a far faster rate than a BD.
 

Helme

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BD survivability isnt really that shining, the lifetap doesnt heal as much as you think, and the pets dont help so much really, in 1on1 yes in assisttrain fg.. no
 

Huntingtons

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Helme said:
BD survivability isnt really that shining, the lifetap doesnt heal as much as you think, and the pets dont help so much really, in 1on1 yes in assisttrain fg.. no

their survivability is greater than other casters tho ;p (but not as high as other bl's :|)
 

Helme

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Huntingtons said:
their survivability is greater than other casters tho ;p (but not as high as other bl's :|)
I would seriously doubt that, BD isnt a I-win class as everyone on here thinks it is, a sorceror, cabalist or spiritmasters survivability is way greater since 1 lifetap every ~1.1 second is better then one every 4 seconds...
 

Huntingtons

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Helme said:
I would seriously doubt that, BD isnt a I-win class as everyone on here thinks it is, a sorceror, cabalist or spiritmasters survivability is way greater since 1 lifetap every ~1.1 second is better then one every 4 seconds...

yes but if they get a tank on them they dont have to moc to keep alive (i agree that sorc, caba with moc> bd) + they got healer pets (dunno if they use em in fg rvr)
 

Stallion

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Wela said:
good casters can how to play w/o bg :)

:wanker:


sure you can but its hard and ineffecient. usaly casters cant get any spell off without moc in the initial 30 secs of a fight vs good grps
 

Helme

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Huntingtons said:
yes but if they get a tank on them they dont have to moc to keep alive (i agree that sorc, caba with moc> bd) + they got healer pets (dunno if they use em in fg rvr)
They use the pet, but thiere usally mezzed somewhere for full duration since thiere greencon, and with kiting, and diseased tanks after you its np keeping alive really. (I do it all the time :p)
 

Helme

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Huntingtons said:
thought they maybe went for more interupt (archer pets xD) or something :-D
Its enought to blow on the archer pet to get it interupted :p
 

Kwidz

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Stallion said:
sure you can but its hard and ineffecient. usaly casters cant get any spell off without moc in the initial 30 secs of a fight vs good grps


if thats true..


i have NEVER meet any good groups ever XD
 

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Kwidz said:
if thats true..


i have NEVER meet any good groups ever XD

welll healers can also stop using spreadheal but its hard and inefficient, does that make them bad healers?
 

Kwidz

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Huntingtons said:
welll healers can also stop using spreadheal but its hard and inefficient, does that make them bad healers?



did i say so?
 

Huntingtons

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im drawing a comparisation. it's stupid not to use BG if it's there, just like using spreadheal
 

Kwidz

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Huntingtons said:
im drawing a comparisation. it's stupid not to use BG if it's there, just like using spreadheal


omfg

i didnt say its not good loool, just mean thats its not impossible to not get interuppted without BG even against good grps.. comon :eek:
 

Vodkafairy

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Stallion said:
sure you can but its hard and ineffecient. usaly casters cant get any spell off without moc in the initial 30 secs of a fight vs good grps

that's a bit exaggerated, can usually ns / debuff (well thats insta but :p) people before i get trained, depends a lot on your position and stuff

eld ra > run marathon > end up behind enemy support uninterrupted :p
 

Kwidz

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Vodkafairy said:
that's a bit exaggerated, can usually ns / debuff (well thats insta but :p) people before i get trained, depends a lot on your position and stuff

eld ra > run marathon > end up behind enemy support uninterrupted :p



cheers VF! :)
 

Dorin

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Stallion said:
sure you can but its hard and ineffecient. usaly casters cant get any spell off without moc in the initial 30 secs of a fight vs good grps

didnt find welas post so refering to his through yours:

good tanks 3 shot un-bged casters

:_)
 

Vodkafairy

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hum a mage will die to 3 proper tanks no matter what, unless its a sm or its guarded/bodyguarded
 

Konah

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well VP is defo best caster grp about, maybe the only one actually heh.

and their healers are "extraordinary" too...

dont ever remember them beatin us without 3 hunter adds tho, apart form that time at beno bridge when we were asleep :eek:
 

Eregion

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Konah said:
well VP is defo best caster grp about, maybe the only one actually heh.

and their healers are "extraordinary" too...

dont ever remember them beatin us without 3 hunter adds tho, apart form that time at beno bridge when we were asleep :eek:
Often very nice fights vs your grp, just a shame of the adds, but believe me they exist on both sides :)
 

waok`whips

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I think midgard run probably the best groups out of all the realms, I think that alb does at times too but they mix them up so often they never always pwn like mids do, there is alot of variation of group styles more in alb than in mid, so I think mid where having a consistent group setup, do a bit better versus the alb/hib groups which change setup alot.. I also think alb should use more reavers in their setup cos the power of a reaver is under-estimated, people seem too think its levi / bomb thats what makes reaver so special but interupts are what define reavers and not the damage they do and with ml1 & 3 pbs its very good interupts. I think though that if reavers are used more in open field combat, they should drop twf3 for twf1, purely as an intimidation tactic, too dive nuking hibs/mids classes out of that circle so they can find somewhere else too nuke from.. buys alb classes time too heal up or kill casters while they are not nuking.. in replace purge3 cos of constant roots / mezzes. It's a shame so many reavers gone inactive cos we were starting todo well up till NF :/
 

Eluvia

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Vodkafairy said:
hum a mage will die to 3 proper tanks no matter what, unless its a sm or its guarded/bodyguarded


No kippie, yesterday we had 3 bm's side chaning Kesa (who's pet was dead) and he wouldnt die.
 

Vodkafairy

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Eluvia said:
No kippie, yesterday we had 3 bm's side chaning Kesa (who's pet was dead) and he wouldnt die.

i think that says a lot about what the rest of the group was doing, sorry, but i don't believe 3 toa'd bms doing their best styles cannot kill a mage without protection

maybe with 3 healers chainspamming sh/greater heals on him, but as soon as they get interrupted the mage will drop instantly aswell.
 

Dorin

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Helme said:
good healers can heal a caster with 3 tanks on them.. ;p

so healers can heal a caster while 3 tanks hitting the healers?

sure. that wasnt my point tho

xD
 

Stallion

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Vodkafairy said:
i think that says a lot about what the rest of the group was doing, sorry, but i don't believe 3 toa'd bms doing their best styles cannot kill a mage without protection

maybe with 3 healers chainspamming sh/greater heals on him, but as soon as they get interrupted the mage will drop instantly aswell.


hehe 3 fully toad BMs couldnt take down a SM without bg / pet intercept.. thing is it wouldnt die due to our incapability to interrupt, hard with BM's beeing such low level :)

thus all this PvE ahead of us ;)
 

Vodkafairy

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Stallion said:
hehe 3 fully toad BMs couldnt take down a SM without bg / pet intercept.. thing is it wouldnt die due to our incapability to interrupt, hard with BM's beeing such low level :)

thus all this PvE ahead of us ;)

hehe fun, also i am convinced you need an eld for optimal setup instead of menta ;)

kesa can moc all he like, but insta 130-140 dex stripped off him is lethal. + disease on healers ofc :p
 

Jika

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Best grp will be 8 Jikas .. when I play all chars myself, cant fuck things up etc :)
 

Jika

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Vodkafairy said:
hehe fun, also i am convinced you need an eld for optimal setup instead of menta ;)

kesa can moc all he like, but insta 130-140 dex stripped off him is lethal. + disease on healers ofc :p

u are wrong mistur .. kill that R fag 1st and grp dies np =) 2 bms > his moc
 

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