Most OP solo vamp or warlock?

[Puppet]

they could do with losing charge

I'll agree that vampiirs are nasty - salonice and guerra kept tearing apart our reaver/armsman duo in forest sauvage (tried with reaver/smitor duo too but didn't do too great - purged my stun ) - however they're both RR5+ and strafe like there's no tomorrow (and we're both RR2 )

Well strafing kinda sucks but if they dont strafe there's not much chance vamps would win. Cross-guard each-other and if needed engage em for the first 20~ seconds to drop their mana. Then slam them and they most likely will not recuperate from that (as they spec Charge and for solo-skirmishes IP they prolly Purge1) if you can dish some damage during a slam.

Also cross-guard with 2 large shields should nihilate 50-70% of their melee-damage, and most likely they will not land many Eye-shots.

 

[Dumle]

Ah well seems im only 1 that thinks my class is so OP then, ill remeber this in months when ppl aint got warlocks to focus there whine on and turn there attention to vamps, ill remember and point em back to this post

Actually judging from US boards Bainshees will be the next target for nerfwhines (well they already are here too but anwhoo )

Let me predict the NERF XXXX class post 1.76, let the savagewhine commence once more

 

[Flimgoblin]

Well strafing kinda sucks but if they dont strafe there's not much chance vamps would win. Cross-guard each-other and if needed engage em for the first 20~ seconds to drop their mana. Then slam them and they most likely will not recuperate from that (as they spec Charge and for solo-skirmishes IP they prolly Purge1) if you can dish some damage during a slam.

Also cross-guard with 2 large shields should nihilate 50-70% of their melee-damage, and most likely they will not land many Eye-shots.

didn't seem to be able to block much - probably the strafing gotta love the "oh you have a shield, I'll ignore all your defences because there's a teensy bit of lag between me and the server".

That said I certainly wasn't playing my best I'd forgotten entirely about engage in that fight for example, maybe next time

 

[Flimgoblin]

Actually judging from US boards Bainshees will be the next target for nerfwhines (well they already are here too but anwhoo )

Let me predict the NERF XXXX class post 1.76, let the savagewhine commence once more

bainshees have some interesting "features" that need to be nerfed - mostly involving their amazing ability to nuke through walls (oh and make that taunt spell interruptable ffs)

 

[Jaem-]

I was testing MoB5 with my 35+15 Shield and around 390 dex when I were lvling an artifact, Guerra could still hit passed it quite often in a 1v1 fight in PoC 1 time and also has dealt around 420 dmg on me in melee too.

I think Vamps could take down pretty much anything if they've killed a grey con or 2 before hand tho, claw spam drop anything fast without any other abilities.

 

[Gear]

Vamps appear OP cause most people don't know how to handle them. It is a fact that film tore me a new one when he was rr1 and I was rr4ish. Same with Coldbeard (the solo warrior that roams bold area). I won't even go to talk about Kagato

All the times I have killed multiple opponents, reminds me of the old Bruce lee movies, where they attack one after another instead of all of them going for me at the same time. example

 

[Flimgoblin]

Vamps appear OP cause most people don't know how to handle them. It is a fact that film tore me a new one when he was rr1 and I was rr4ish. Same with Coldbeard (the solo warrior that roams bold area). I won't even go to talk about Kagato

All the times I have killed multiple opponents, reminds me of the old Bruce lee movies, where they attack one after another instead of all of them going for me at the same time. example

probably right there I think when it was our duo (or trio or even 4 of us at one point... useless minstrels just feed you lot power though ) vs you and guerra we failed miserably to assist properly.

It's hard to come out with a "yes that's horribly overpowered" or not though - if they're overpowered it's more along the lines of sorcs "god damn hit SOI and MoC" with "god damn hit fumble and charge and purge!" than warlocks "bleh I see a warlock might as well sit down since I'm not a stun nuke nuke caster"

What codec is it for that video?

 

[Sauruman]

Vamps appear OP cause most people don't know how to handle them. It is a fact that film tore me a new one when he was rr1 and I was rr4ish. Same with Coldbeard (the solo warrior that roams bold area). I won't even go to talk about Kagato

All the times I have killed multiple opponents, reminds me of the old Bruce lee movies, where they attack one after another instead of all of them going for me at the same time. example

The way to handle them is sit down, and wait for the vamp to kill u fast. Vamps can kill most 1vs1 (just not all, coz i doubt a warlock can't insta kill one :X) without mutch difficulty, since they just need to spam their dd's :\

 

[Gear]

What codec is it for that video?

www.3ivx.com

 

[Gear]

The way to handle them is sit down, and wait for the vamp to kill u fast. Vamps can kill most 1vs1 (just not all, coz i doubt a warlock can't insta kill one :X) without mutch difficulty, since they just need to spam their dd's :\

You refer to the claw as the DD. Well, it takes 6% mana, and with 14% you can hit two of them before you run oop. Doesn't work like this really...

 

[Jaem-]

You refer to the claw as the DD. Well, it takes 6% mana, and with 14% you can hit two of them before you run oop. Doesn't work like this really...

In that video clip you gain mana pretty quickly it seems, not a problem I think, also you have the top Claw I believe? many have 2nd best one which would be cheaper maybe...

 

[Gear]

In that video clip you gain mana pretty quickly it seems, not a problem I think, also you have the top Claw I believe? many have 2nd best one which would be cheaper maybe...

I gain mana pretty quick thanks to the soft target that came first. I do have the top claw, I'm speced in such a way as to do the maximum damage I possibly can. You can still see however that I win the fight, not because of my skills (I do get perfed) but because those 4 albs just didn't play well.

Most people are used to a particular play style, and refuse to change and adopt another strategy - FACT. Hence when someone tries to stun/mezz/root me while I'm charging and they can't, they cry out nerf! (just an example here). It's really pathetic to see rr7 mincers not knowing what to do apart from trying to insta stun all the time while they're going down.

Thinking outside the box really helps beating not only vamps, but whatever you encounter out there.

 

[Flimgoblin]

does disease affect your HoT?

 

[Jaem-]

I gain mana pretty quick thanks to the soft target that came first. I do have the top claw, I'm speced in such a way as to do the maximum damage I possibly can. You can still see however that I win the fight, not because of my skills (I do get perfed) but because those 4 albs just didn't play well.

Most people are used to a particular play style, and refuse to change and adopt another strategy - FACT. Hence when someone tries to stun/mezz/root me while I'm charging and they can't, they cry out nerf! (just an example here). It's really pathetic to see rr7 mincers not knowing what to do apart from trying to insta stun all the time while they're going down.

Thinking outside the box really helps beating not only vamps, but whatever you encounter out there.

Explain my shield problem please.

 

[Mirt]

>does disease affect your HoT?

Doesn't affect mentalist HoT, probably doesn't affect vampir hot.

It will affect IP, and it will snare, so it's a good idea to use it.

 

[anioal]

Explain my shield problem please.

2200+ weapon skill should be a good explanation

 

[Flimgoblin]

>does disease affect your HoT?

Doesn't affect mentalist HoT, probably doesn't affect vampir hot.

It will affect IP, and it will snare, so it's a good idea to use it.

yah, shame it doesn't stop the self-healing thing.

Looks like according to Gear the best solution to vampiirs is a 6 foot long stake through the heart (courtesy of some polearmsman )

 

[anioal]

" vamp has a hard time against light tanks like merc with dt up or zerker in vendo mode (nerf those 600dmg a pop) - no powertap on them"

I disagree. I've had numerous 1v1 fights with light tanks, and I've won most of them. Fumble followed by evade then end tap is pretty nasty. The ones I lost where where they banespiked, and/or caught me with charge down.

"Cave shamans specced in kiting are a fookin pain - hello shamoth"

Charge > shaman (hello almosthuman).

1. my spec doesnt include fumble debuff and high evade
2. it's good players like you and some very few others that make vamps look overpowered.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

I haven't played much on Excal lately but I was out showing a rl m8 how overpowered mincers are ;p
and I fighted a vamp, they are hard to fight but I just came out of another fight trying to stealth and I still made him IP.

but I think if I get the jump on a vamp they should be pretty easy to beat 1 on 1 since they only have 1 purge to purge either mezz or stun ;P and yes, I can survive 15 secs melee(charge time) against any melee class

but ofc mincers have a lot of tools and a stunned vamp ain't worth much :|

 

[Bigbrother]

when do u learn ?

and if u see a warlock with 2-3 chambers up just turn 180 and run ur arse as fast as u can

its not the warloc with 3 chambers u need to fear its the ones with just 2

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

its not the warloc with 3 chambers u need to fear its the ones with just 2

and Brinja Bridge's 400 stealthers

 

[Mirt]

"but I think if I get the jump on a vamp they should be pretty easy to beat 1 on 1 since they only have 1 purge to purge either mezz or stun ;P and yes, I can survive 15 secs melee(charge time) against any melee class "

You ml10 warlord or something?

Anyway I'd like to see a 1v1 with you and say korgon or fuji ;P

I'd also like to see a 1v1 with you and a high rr ml10 VE vampiir, I think you'll get owned. Besides, most of your i-win tricks (battler /use2, zephyr) are on long timers, where as charge isn't.

 

[Zebolt]

can I get charge on my reaver too?

I want charge on my RM tbh :<

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

"but I think if I get the jump on a vamp they should be pretty easy to beat 1 on 1 since they only have 1 purge to purge either mezz or stun ;P and yes, I can survive 15 secs melee(charge time) against any melee class "

You ml10 warlord or something?

Anyway I'd like to see a 1v1 with you and say korgon or fuji ;P

I'd also like to see a 1v1 with you and a high rr ml10 VE vampiir, I think you'll get owned. Besides, most of your i-win tricks (battler /use2, zephyr) are on long timers, where as charge isn't.

well I have screeny of me vs NP ;p (Zerk + 2* Svage ) and I survive almost 15 secs hehe (just look at the DD timers )

and yes I'm Warlord + Sidi torso = pwn hehe

Pic 1
Pic 2

just compair the dmg Zzang does with what he normally does then u see a quite big diff ;p

 

[Jaem-]

I want charge on my RM tbh :<

I want charge on my scout too.

 

[Puppet]

Vamps appear OP cause most people don't know how to handle them. It is a fact that film tore me a new one when he was rr1 and I was rr4ish. Same with Coldbeard (the solo warrior that roams bold area). I won't even go to talk about Kagato

All the times I have killed multiple opponents, reminds me of the old Bruce lee movies, where they attack one after another instead of all of them going for me at the same time. example

They even seem unbuffed or?

 

[Mirt]

Lol at that damage. Reminds me of trying to kill bloodthorn just after NF came out (warguard, sb3, sometimes arti /use2), ofc he was immune to magic too due to erines proc bug.

I was hititng him for like 60 dmg with my VW, and I'd normally hit him for 300-400 with a cold LW.

 

[-Freezingwiz-]

Lol at that damage. Reminds me of trying to kill bloodthorn just after NF came out (warguard, sb3, sometimes arti /use2), ofc he was immune to magic too due to erines proc bug.

I was hititng him for like 60 dmg with my VW, and I'd normally hit him for 300-400 with a cold LW.

hehe, but Warguard is damm nice

 

[Mithradir]

warlock ofc

1,2,3 ----> 200+, 900+, 1000+


god mode

 

[Mirt]

Regarding the original question.

Lets say I'm out solo on my vampiir, and play long enough to get 20k from roaming HW. My Killeath ratio will be something on the lines of 20:25 on a good day and 20:50+ on a bad day.

Many of the warlocks out there have something more like 20:10...

So while the fumble debuff is frustrating for enemy melee, vampiirs are no where near as bad as warlocks. 1v1 I actually can't kill warlocks unless they're rez sick, which is irritating. Also there's no way I could solo kill someone in a GG unless their healers are oop/afk.