Most OP solo vamp or warlock?

[anioal]

bah, just noticed the thread starter is a lvl 44 vamp... prolly one of those that will bury their vamp after 2 weeks of lvl50 rvr...

Just for the record, in bg's from thidranki up to leirvik my sm specced vamp owned almost every soloer i met, no matter class. (the exception was brokeninfil, the rr2 gimpfiltrator from thidranki and blokkie the thane, also in thidranki)

 

[Talivar]

I wont bury my char lol ive done more than enough lv50 rvr to know whats its liek, and to the savage i have only met 2 savages 1 on 1 and i won both but i do remeber dieing to a savage who was in a mid group a lot tho, but this is about 1 on 1

 

[PhiCa]

bah, just noticed the thread starter is a lvl 44 vamp... prolly one of those that will bury their vamp after 2 weeks of lvl50 rvr...

Im not sure u know who Talivar is then ^^ I dont think he's gonna "bury" his vamp

 

[anioal]

i didnt mean to offend talivar (wtf is he? ), but between leirvik where i won every 1vs1 fight (warlocks included) and the real rvr is a big difference... just check the excalibur stats i posted on page 2 of this thread, also u can check the lwrp for vamps @ http://daoc.goa.com/common/herald/registres_uk.html

and if u see a warlock with 2-3 chambers up just turn 180 and run ur arse as fast as u can

 

[Mirt]

>the other two usually play in gankgroups

If you're talking about me, ~40% of my rps are from 8v8 the rest is solo.

Got a slight Druid / Bard shortage at times

I'ver never had a decent HoT so maybe that changes things, but I think the painfool videos where vs utter gimps and that made the class to look much more OP'd than it really is.

 

[Dorin]

not retarded as much as the warlock, but surely aint balanced either... but hey every expansion class was utterly shit or overpowered in one form or another.

guess vamp falls into the "abeeet op" category, like the bonedancer did after SI release (till pretoa, great soloer, good in grps but nothing serious... tho maybe just unused as bd was, no cluez)

 

[censi]

can someone who actually know the class state why they so OP and will win 1v1 v any class (type thing)

im interested dont know that much about them tbh.

 

[Flimgoblin]

can someone who actually know the class state why they so OP and will win 1v1 v any class (type thing)

im interested dont know that much about them tbh.

they won't win vs everything mainly because they need power - but if we assume they can get power (i.e. they're hitting their opponent in melee)

they have:

End drains, ranged interrupt (power drain) which breaks the targets speed but not theirs, speed, magic damage in combat (gets past melee defences), evade, parry, fumbles, charge, very high growth rate styles (which are admittedly second in a chain)

All of this costs power though so if they have no power they're just a weak nightshade with only one weapon and no evade.

plus they're permabuffed and have a massive amount of hp.

I imagine there's other stuff there I'm by no means an expert on vamps.

 

[Talivar]

normally a vamp starts a fight with enough power to do 1 thing ive found,so 300hp hot or drain enemy of almost 100% end or maybe giv him a 50% fumble rate or 40% effectiveness debuff or maybe a 44% magic resist buff or 20%? melee resist buff.then every hit that lands givs enough to do a insta magic claw damage attack (top 200 damage before resists) or could ofc could use the power to do any of the previously mentioned things.High defence tanks are our main prob cus we cant land main hits but even then im pretty sure there will be viable solutions to that given time and bit of imagination

 

[Vodkafairy]

a vamp without power can't be compared to a NS really. lots more hp, less natural defence, not a dual wielder, much more weaponskill, have banelord, etc

 

[Dumle]

Id say until Nerf warlock is definetly harder, after nerf I dont know how they will perform, I dont think they are uber atm either unless
1.Camping towers or 2.Camping bridges SM is a better choice for a Gankgroup imo.

Vamp is IMO not all that OP that people make them out to be, it is if you know what you are doing not that hard to beat, for one use HEATweapons or crush against them, I dont know how many SBs I have seen using Cold LW or their slash or slashweapons against a vamp, good luck with that

 

[Bonehead]

I know every1 rushes and says warlock ofc but why?.A warlock can kill much faster yes but when his chamber down he is pretty easy, a vamp on other hand can be rdy to kill again and again and again if he plays well.Pls discuss and dont just turn into a nerf warlocks thread

lol?

It's like comparing vamp without end to style and 0% power at start...

Why even bother starting a thread like this. If you play a vamp and find yourself overpowered, you obviosly havn't faced a warlock with chambers up.

Go out in the sun and do something usefull, imo... :touch:

 

[Joor]

Im a rock, Scissors are fine, nerf paper .

 

[Talivar]

so far in leirvik anyway ive seen warlocks and ive had them release all chambers and do whatever spells they do next and then they die as simple as that,powertap,charge,hot and then just attack/claw warlock till he is dead.and charge on 5min timer atm so rdy practically every fight.

 

[Jaem-]

Find them about the same tbh.

If a warlock has chambers up, I'm dead.
If a vamp has mana up, I'm dead.

 

[Flimgoblin]

normally a vamp starts a fight with enough power to do 1 thing ive found,so 300hp hot or drain enemy of almost 100% end or maybe giv him a 50% fumble rate or 40% effectiveness debuff or maybe a 44% magic resist buff or 20%? melee resist buff.then every hit that lands givs enough to do a insta magic claw damage attack (top 200 damage before resists) or could ofc could use the power to do any of the previously mentioned things.High defence tanks are our main prob cus we cant land main hits but even then im pretty sure there will be viable solutions to that given time and bit of imagination

ahh yeah forgot about the heal over time - how much does it heal for?

 

[Flimgoblin]

so far in leirvik anyway ive seen warlocks and ive had them release all chambers and do whatever spells they do next and then they die as simple as that,powertap,charge,hot and then just attack/claw warlock till he is dead.and charge on 5min timer atm so rdy practically every fight.

not sure how much they change from leirvik but at level 50 they'll be able to dump 3 chambers plus 5 uninterruptables before having to fall back... that's a lot of damage, none of it interruptable and all of it healing them...

the powertap probably helps though as it'll reduce the number of uninterruptables they can use.

 

[Downanael]

Not seen vampir with 300/tick yet,would seriosly gimp them.

 

[Konah]

vamp can be op vs unbuffed or classes without a melee stun, warlock is an insta-killer tho, its just no contest. warlock with chambers down is easy u say? well ye... a vamp sitting and afk is easy too i imagine ^^

 

[Zzang]

Heretic

 

[Calo]

vamp can be op vs unbuffed or classes without a melee stun, warlock is an insta-killer tho, its just no contest. warlock with chambers down is easy u say? well ye... a vamp sitting and afk is easy too i imagine ^^

tho the small difference of finding a warlock with chambers down in rvr(which is alot because well... they have to empty them to insta pwn right?) is ALOT bigger then finding a vampire sitting(very unlikely) afk(could be) in rvr(no way).

 

[anioal]

A vamp is as hard as any other buffed light tank, with about the same hp and WS, with inate buffs but w/o any defences and wearing leather. To get up some defences he needs to spec for them and to have power to use them.

Ye, a vamp can kill most of the casters asuming the caster isn't a: warlock with chambers up, sorc with moc/soi up, any caster with access to ml9 pet, sm with buffed pet and so on...

A vamp can kill all dumb stealthers but he will have a hard time if he gets perfed by the skilled assasin or the archer knows what he's doing.

A vamp has a very hard time against heavy tanks - no powertap on them

A vamp has a hard time against light tanks like merc with dt up or zerker in vendo mode (nerf those 600dmg a pop) - no powertap on them

Friars with power leak and decent melee spec are a pain.

Cave shamans specced in kiting are a fookin pain - hello shamoth

Necros with buffed pets can be a pain if the vamp doesn't have a LW weapon in his backpack but even then its risky

Eh? the list seems pretty long, ye?

Now about warlocks

well, a warlock can kill any class if he's not stunned and killed during the stun (hello purge 2/3) or if he's not killed during FZ



Again, go to goa site and check the stats and the lwrp for warlocks and vamps compare them then say who's the big mofo out there

 

[Mirari]

I wont bury my char lol ive done more than enough lv50 rvr to know whats its liek, and to the savage i have only met 2 savages 1 on 1 and i won both but i do remeber dieing to a savage who was in a mid group a lot tho, but this is about 1 on 1

I'll see if i can dig up some screens to prove it then, otherwise you can always duel me for proof, my savage is called Arvake

 

[Talivar]

i remeber your name and i know u have killed me but all the times i remeber is when u in the mid group thats all.I remeber fighting a savage yesterday near mt and i won with 20% if that was you tho i cant remeber.maybe my bad memory tho but i think u got me confused after the millions of times i charged your duo/trio/group in suicide runs after your casters

 

[Elricstormbringer]

Main thing is power with a vamp. You start with the ability to cast 1-2 spells and then if you do not hit you are often in trouble. Also, whilst self buffed these buffs are not quite as good as a top level BB (135 str, con and dex compared to 155 from a BB and 90 (?) qui compared to 93 from a BB) so whilst in BGs you do well against often unbuffed opponents, in L50 rvr against buffbotted characters the difference probably turns the other way. A vamp with power and all their buffs, etc up is a lot harder but in a 1v1 where you have not fought an enemy in a bit you start with a disadvantage (if you stay alive and hit the tide often turns).

Warlocks with full mana and chambers up are ready as soon as they step out of that keep.

 

[Talivar]

Ah well seems im only 1 that thinks my class is so OP then, ill remeber this in months when ppl aint got warlocks to focus there whine on and turn there attention to vamps, ill remember and point em back to this post

 

[Mirt]

" vamp has a hard time against light tanks like merc with dt up or zerker in vendo mode (nerf those 600dmg a pop) - no powertap on them"

I disagree. I've had numerous 1v1 fights with light tanks, and I've won most of them. Fumble followed by evade then end tap is pretty nasty. The ones I lost where where they banespiked, and/or caught me with charge down.

"Cave shamans specced in kiting are a fookin pain - hello shamoth"

Charge > shaman (hello almosthuman).

 

[vintervargen]

warlock

a vamp needs more buttons

 

[Flimgoblin]

Ah well seems im only 1 that thinks my class is so OP then, ill remeber this in months when ppl aint got warlocks to focus there whine on and turn there attention to vamps, ill remember and point em back to this post

they could do with losing charge

I'll agree that vampiirs are nasty - salonice and guerra kept tearing apart our reaver/armsman duo in forest sauvage (tried with reaver/smitor duo too but didn't do too great - purged my stun ) - however they're both RR5+ and strafe like there's no tomorrow (and we're both RR2 )

However they're not so obviously overpowered as warlocks, not to say that they aren't overpowered but if they are it's not quite so clear cut.

 

[Kono]

Vamps even have a chance on necros i think.

mmmm no chance...