Most difficult class to play...

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Freia
Wanna compare quickbars?

I have 5 quickbars with no duplicates, (and a few more with emotes and silly macros and crap). I use 4 of those actively all the time in rvr. #5 is bufs so ofcourse i'm not counting it.

ps. wth is a "primary quickbar" anyway? never heard of that.

what class are u ?

And u have 40 spell/abilities all differnet? (Not counting buffs)

Lets see them ?

Well her are a list of the bard


5 different healing Spells(3 base line and 2 spec )

3 cures(Desease, posion, mezz)

4 Mezzes (2 instas)

2 lulls (single and AE)

1 rez (since all rez are same casting time only us the best)

1 confusion

10 Songs (Power, endurance, speed, healing and 6 resistance songs)

3 instruments

1 Insta DD

1 Weapon

2 Weapon styles

4 Buffs (Str, Con, Dex, AF)

That is 37 without RAs

MCL

Amlioratimg Melodoes

First Aid

IP

Purge

That is 42 seperate abilites

 

[Freia]

Originally posted by old.Greggor
what class are u ?

And u have 40 spell/abilities all differnet? (Not counting buffs)

Hehe, you actually think im lying arnt you?
How cute is that

Healer spell list
Add a few active ras + switching weapons + potions + assist etc.

And i admit there are a few unused slots on qb4.

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Freia
Hehe, you actually think im lying arnt you?
How cute is that

Healer spell list
Add a few active ras + switching weapons + potions + assist etc.

And i admit there are a few unused slots on qb4.

Yes i can see that Healer class have alot of ablilies open to u if u have 3x level spec points

switching weapons? lol

above is every bard abilites

what is ur spec Pac or Mend ?

Cuz u cant have 50 in each spec ?

PS. Nice to have all 3 types of CC on one class

 

[Freia]

15 aug so im lacking 3 resist bufs (which we wernt counting, remember?) and celerity.

Anything else you want to know?

You know its hillarious that you still think im lying. Dunno why i bother with you at all tbh.

Point is still i'm using 4 qbars actively while you use 2, number 2 and number 4 was it?

 

[Glacier]

i use 3 full qb`s actively on my bard, but saying it again, it all comes down to how good you are at playing your class... any class is easy to play.. some more than others, but playing a class GOOD is the hard part.. and i am sure the CC`ers and healers come off a little on the top here.

3 Active full QB`s on the Bard.
2 Active full QB`s on the Ranger.
1 Active full QB`s on the Champ.
2 Active full QB`s on the Ment.

i hear some classes having a hard time even filling up 1 single QB :/

 

[old.Atrox]

hmm when did this thread turn into a "My QB are better and bigger then yours" competion ?

Sure it's harder to being forced to swith QB, but how often do you have to repeatly change QB midfight ?
My sorc got 3QB's but I rarely had to change QB (Unless for MoC or buffs ), so I dont see the hard part in that...

 

[Qte Eth]

bard has far less spells then healer and is easyer to play , compare spellists before arguing
(not Mavl ofc,used to argue wo facts &whine wo reasons)

 

[-foadon-]

tbh bards arent supposed to heal actively, if u have to count on a bard doing the healing then u might aswell stay in pk/bk
you have both a warden AND a druid, who have almost no other function than heal actively

im not saying bard is easy to play, but it sure as hell isnt harder then a healer, a healer has to heal, mez, stun if you got sms, and almost all of the time your the only one to do it, with luck u get a shaman (not like they heal alot anyway) that still leaves u with 7 others counting on YOU to make em win

 

[Stinko]

Healer must be the most diffcult class to play. Just look at a healers roles ; you are the primary CC class of the realm AND you are the primary healer class of the realm. Consider that, and the fact that the healer almost always are solo healer in the group.
Sure shamans can heal, but that ain´t very very luckly to happend with the common spec of shamans today (not going very far in mending/healing).

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Stinko
Healer must be the most diffcult class to play. Just look at a healers roles ; you are the primary CC class of the realm AND you are the primary healer class of the realm. Consider that, and the fact that the healer almost always are solo healer in the group.
Sure shamans can heal, but that ain´t very very luckly to happend with the common spec of shamans today (not going very far in mending/healing).

Surely now with the spell level vs charater resisting spell u cant spec to be both main CC and main healer?

If so i cant why most mids dont rvr anymore on groups like MM who probalty have 2 healers one spec for CC and one speced for healing

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Freia
15 aug so im lacking 3 resist bufs (which we wernt counting, remember?) and celerity.

Anything else you want to know?

You know its hillarious that you still think im lying. Dunno why i bother with you at all tbh.

Point is still i'm using 4 qbars actively while you use 2, number 2 and number 4 was it?

so u have 15 aug ?(42) Pac ?(30) mend

use 2 to 4 Qb depend on what happend in rvr

s i heard now that main healer only use spead heal to heal in rvr i can see u active using 40 different spells each and every combat! You say, you do! So you cant be lying, can you, no one ever lies

Unless u have the most crappy setup in daoc history with all ur spells on there even the ones you never use ?

Try playing a bard with instrument intertupts, crapy insta and only mezz to defend urself then u see playing a healer is luxury from playing a bard.

Yes i have played a healer

Healer is a bard with stuns, insta heals and no instuments

Six of one and half a dozen of the other.

But a healer has much more survivablity than a bard, that what make a bard much more difficult class to play

 

[Mavl]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
bard has far less spells then healer and is easyer to play , compare spellists before arguing
(not Mavl ofc,used to argue wo facts &whine wo reasons)

And you need to constantly switch equipped items on healer too ofc, mr. braindead ?

 

[Coren]

Kinda cute that people still think that the amount of quickbars/spells decide wether a class is hard to play or not.

 

[Stinko]

Originally posted by old.Greggor
If so i cant why most mids dont rvr anymore on groups like MM who probalty have 2 healers one spec for CC and one speced for healing

Because there are not enough healers for 2 in every group, DOH!?

 

[old.TeaSpoon]

Originally posted by Coren
Kinda cute that people still think that the amount of quickbars/spells decide wether a class is hard to play or not.

Aye. Can think of a couple of classes with only a few buttons which are hard to play

 

[Stinko]

But a healer has much more survivablity than a bard, that what make a bard much more difficult class to play [/B]

And playing a clothwearer is harder than bard ´cause you die alot?

 

[old.Atrox]

IMO Classes that makes the fight ( Healing/CC ) is those that must be ready all the time, CC'ers before the fights and healers during the fights.
After the first 5 - 10 sec the CC'ers main job is ( or should be ) done so after that it's mainly support for those classes ( Sorc Support with Cure mezz, DD's, DoTs and debuffs. Healers with Healing, cure mezz/poison/disease etc. Bard backup heal, end song, melee (?) ), and support CC ( stun/root for healer/sorc ).
So the CC parts "toughnes" is the awerness and "quickness", after that the CC isnt that needed anymore and healing take over.
So....
After the main CC Sorcs job is quite easy, DD alittle and toss some debuffs.
Bards dont have that much to do after the main CC either, some healing and jamming on the lute, since Druid take over the main healing part.
Healers cant "relax" after the main CC since they still got a big part of the fight, they have to stay alert and heal groupmembers in need.

So Healers is the class that need to be on edge all the time, no real "pause" for them, bards can relax after the CC as can Sorcs.
So looking at it that way healer is harder to play good.
even thou both Healers and bards got their lazy key aka instant AECC.....


but! it's impossible to play any of those chars good unless you have good support from your groupmembers.

 

[brite]

Originally posted by -nicolas-
Bard > Healer (Pac/Mend) > Sorc > Eldritch > Cabalist > Spiritmaster > Enchanter > Animist > Theurgist > Mentalist > Runemaster > Wizard > Healer (Mend) > Shaman > Druid > Minstrel > Cleric > Paladin > Friar > Champion > Reaver > Thane > Warrior > Armsman > Hero > Warden > Skald > Hunter > Ranger > Scout > NS > SB > Infil > Savage > BM > Zerk > Mercenary > BD

<edit: in RVR>
<edit 2: Frustration Factor included>
<edit 3: in fg vs fg RVR>
<edit 4: to really master>

Edited to just say...

Whine...

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by brite
Whine

well, put pet on 'nuke-mode', stand still, win. thats not really that hard

 

[old.Greggor]

Originally posted by Stinko
And playing a clothwearer is harder than bard ´cause you die alot?

All cloth wares like alike.

out of 8 hibies who is the bard ?

THE ONE CARRYING THE FUCKING BIG INSTRUMENT.

And i who say hib casters have more survivablitiy than bards

 

[old.Atrox]

Originally posted by brite
Whine

Yea it's very hard to have healing pets and instant lifedrain, dont have to worry about interupts, stealthers cant get away etc etc

yea BD aer of teh skill3d cl4zz

 

[toughguy]

Originally posted by brite

bd requires quite a lot of skill to be played

hahahahahahahaha

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Qte Eth
bard has far less spells then healer and is easyer to play , compare spellists before arguing
(not Mavl ofc,used to argue wo facts &whine wo reasons)

Played both bard and healer, though bard died in young age
and healer is mending gimp. 2 qbars constantly flipping
pac spec has it harder as i find almost impossible to play pac without 3 active qbars.
And bard would be easier to play if not crappy instrument interface.

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Stinko
Because there are not enough healers for 2 in every group, DOH!?

Then dont leave freaking mpk
At excal nowdays mids sit patiently till they get 2 healers and shammie, and quite picky about what persons to invite - you kinda need all three (four) working well together for group to succeed

 

[Fightersuntzu]

Originally posted by brite
Whine

Yeah. We know that if f8 was 1500 range, it'd be really hard to find two paperweights to spam f8 and lifetap afk stuck to anothe group.

<boggle>

How much skill is there? Cast pets. Buff up. Go out into emain. Press lifetap button, occasionally mixing with darkness baseline dds and body debuffs. manage pet healing/attacking? trying to get maximum allowed pet levels? not running oom?...

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Mavl
And you need to constantly switch equipped items on healer too ofc, mr. braindead ?

Mavla PREVENTS ! =D

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by Fightersuntzu
Yeah. We know that if f8 was 1500 range, it'd be really hard to find two paperweights to spam f8 and lifetap afk stuck to anothe group.

<boggle>

How much skill is there? Cast pets. Buff up. Go out into emain. Press lifetap button, occasionally mixing with darkness baseline dds and body debuffs. manage pet healing/attacking? trying to get maximum allowed pet levels? not running oom?...

Good bd (like Taiko) can keep 2 healers/mages perma-interrupted and a couple of tanks occupied with his person. Basically he disables half of enemy group

 

[)nick(]

Originally posted by brite
Whine

If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension.

Take your head out of your arse and look around as you're quite obviously in the minority here. You have an insta lifedrain which you can combine with a lvl 50 baseline nuke AND an unlimited pool of self insta heals.

 

[Cadire]

If ignorance were a disability, you'd get the full pension.

A class line, and a lesson in how to properly insult someone!

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by Mavl
You know, by that definition, an rm can just stick and go afk, providing speed or pbt. It will make the char waaay easier for some ppl. But will it reduce it's overall difficulty? I think not.

/point /laugh or /cry /delete