Mos

[Chronictank]

On my hunter im going 35 stealth + MOS 3 with no stealth in template.
I heard that there was no difference between MOS 2 and MOS 3,
i just wanted to clarify this

ty in advance

 

[Vladamir]

According to the herald you gain 5% movement speed and 100 detection range, i've run with mos4 then 3 before, noticed no difference there. Not sure what the difference is if you dropped it again. Mos3 is pretty standard though i think.

 

[lpep]

would make sure u had stealth in your template tbh m8 or u will soo get pa'd all the time.. i know alot of hunters go mos 4 though.. does seem to make some diferance.. been playing along side my bro on his hunter with mos 4 and me with sb on mos 3.. he spots stealthers before i do all the time....

 

[Neffneff]

would ceratinly have +11 stealth in template..else you're gonna regret it..having said that...what it does is make it easier for assasins to spot you sooner. BUT if you we're to get MoS5 (extreme example) you should detect them at a much greater range as well. as an archer its definately worth having MoS3+, assasins get away with mos2, as they dont as much from it (camo on archers nullifies it, it doesnt do anything for detection assasin V. assasin)

 

[Chronictank]

well my way of seeing it is that assasins will see me first anyway regardless what i do, so why bother wasting SC on it when 35 is sufficient for most needs.
With mos 3/4 i will see them before im pa'd anyway so the gains arent enough to warrant losing something in my template

 

[Neffneff]

you are severely mistaken...with 50 composite stealth + MoS4 you WILL see an assasin LONG bfore he sees you. this is why MoS is unbalanced towards assasins. with 50 stealth and MoS4 you will most likely be able to crit shot assasins from stealth without them ever knowing that you r there bfore.

 

[Righthandof]

well my way of seeing it is that assasins will see me first anyway regardless what i do, so why bother wasting SC on it when 35 is sufficient for most needs.
With mos 3/4 i will see them before im pa'd anyway so the gains arent enough to warrant losing something in my template

why spending realm skill points on mos3-4 than if you dont care about getting paed?

 

[Dafft]

erm.

35 st with no +stealth in template? that will hurt you alot first off.

2nd off, the difference between mos2 & mos3 is stealth spd & detection range.

Again with less than 50 modified stealth, you run the risk of visuals spotting you even though you are stealthed & if you run with base 35 stealth with say rr5 then you'll have 39 stealth modified, someone with 50 modified stealth ie an assasin will spot you from say 1000 units - so infact you become a magnet.!

I saw your signature, take note of it:

An idiot repeats his mistakes. A smart man learns from his mistakes. A genius learns from the mistake of others.

 

[Gamah]

Now all that is required is to hand minstrels mos to make our stealth worth while.

 

[Yeke]

the 35 stealth thing, dont do it unless you want visables trampling you all the time.

 

[Kami]

if you plan to tower hump 35 with no stealth in template will be fine, otherwise it's going to be difficult to avoid anyone with stealth lore items or MOS or assassins mate.

 

[Puppet]

If you want to solo, aim for a modified 50 stealth-spec.

With lower stealth, obviously visibles will detect u easier aswell, BUT: Assassins will see you from long range. What if I see you infront of me, but someone else sees you from the side ---> you will become a magnet, like Daft points out and you will often just get zerged, by accident or not.

MOS2 vs MOS3 on assassins does make a difference --> movement-speed. Say for example you see an enemy assassin:

"Pricklesprout uses the Ring of Dances!"

If you cought a glimpse of me as enemy assassin, you know with MOS3 and running away from my glimpse, I will never catch you in stealth, because we both run at the same speed. With MOS2 you will have a huge chance another assassin will be faster then you, catching up, and still allowing him to open with a stealth-move.

Having lower then 50 modded-stealth also reduces your movement-speed even more.

 

[eble]

if you got 35 stealth not modified to 50, then you mayaswell use the stealth spec points elsewhere you will be fodder with or without MOS3

I have done lots and I mean lots fo testing with MOS levels, minimum requirement as an archer would be MOS3, you should see you attacker just before they PA you.

with MOS4 and you get a slight advantage on your attacker.

MOS5 you can stand and have a party near your attackers, but you can get a crit and normal shot off no problem.

with MOS5 running over bridges pressing 'f8' you can target attackers standing at the top of the bridge, as I'm a ranger that means I cant crit shot people from the top of the bridge when they are below me.

just noticed you mentioned not having +stealth in your template because you will run MOS3/4 even with this lvl of MOS everyone will see you, you need to make a decision either you will be a tower/keep humper in which case drop MOS and go Aug dex or include + stealth in your template fight the zergs like the rest of us.

Eble

 

[Hawkwind]

you are severely mistaken...with 50 composite stealth + MoS4 you WILL see an assasin LONG bfore he sees you. this is why MoS is unbalanced towards assasins. with 50 stealth and MoS4 you will most likely be able to crit shot assasins from stealth without them ever knowing that you r there bfore.

Very true, I have tried MoS 3 4 and 5 on my scout. The detection range on 4 and 5 is greatly increased. I see most stealthers long before they see me. Usually get a crit in, amazing how many run when that happens , usually low RR's. Any decent RR assassin is still gonna get to you and more than likely tear you a new one

 

[Kaun_IA]

ok... whitout eny + stealth in your temp, you will be seen from miles off. it is a REALLY BAD IDEA. + stealth gives you better detection against other + (notsure about this) it will increase the speed your walking in stealth (as i said, dunno if modded gives speed gain).

MOS... up to mos3 you get speed gain and detect range. but when you go mos4 or 5 you dont get eny speed gain. only detect range increase. they "fixed" that a patch ago i think.

and if you think you can see other stealthers befor they see you whit 35 stealth and mos 3-4 whit no + stealth in SC... you can dream on. you have 10+ lesss stealth as others.

but then again... i dont mind you being free rp for me when i see you from 3 miles off and can get positionals off on you.

 

[Mr Trade]

I got this information off Bahumat a few days back

Archer Detection Range With MoS
Archer base detection bubble is 125 units + 625 units from MoS5 = 750 units detection bubble.
Archer base detection bubble is 125 units + 450 units from MoS4 = 575 units detection bubble.
Archer base detection bubble is 125 units + 300 units from MoS3 = 425 units detection bubble.

Assassin Detection Range With MoS
Assassin base detection bubble is 250 units + 450 units from MoS4 = 700 units detection bubble.
Assassin base detection bubble is 250 units + 300 units from MoS3 = 550 units detection bubble.
Assassin base detection bubble is 250 units + 175 units from MoS2 = 425 units detection bubble.

Everyone wants to know when they become visible to their opponent. Usually, the question is asked by a young assassin with 35 + 13 = 48 (for example) total stealth.

An assassin is hunting you.
Your opponent is a level 50 nightshade/shadowblade. For every level of stealth you are missing below 50 effective they get another 50 units of detection radius.

[50-48]*50 = 100 unit bonus vs you. So the detection radius vs you would be 250 + 100 = 350 units.

An archer is hunting you.
Your opponent is a level 50 ranger/hunter with MoS3 (most common). For every level of stealth you are missing below 50 effective they get another 20 units of detection radius.

[50-48]*20 = 40 unit bonus vs you. So the detection radius vs you would be 425 + 40 = 465 units.

 

[Chronictank]

cheers for all the posts, re-tweaked to fit stealth back into the tempalte