more typic forum ranting

[old.Lianuchta]

Originally posted by Dannyn

3.0s actually, that's 25% faster.
If you specced void, don't expect to be able to nuke. If you wanted nukes you should have specced light. Light elds nuke plenty hard enough and with 2.8s base cast time too... I got hit 4 times for a total of 1650 damage by a light eldritch with 25% cold resist within stun time. Hib casters cannot complain about damage. Not mythic's fault you gimped yourself.

The baseline DD's crappiness could be overlooked if the bolts were any good (and that prolly goes for all bolt throweres out there). Either way, the specialist line for the "most feared caster in the realms" (sure...), should be better than a smite cleric DD line.

As for gimping myself by chosing Void, it was decent before all the resists went overboard. Now once 1.52 goes in most Voidsters will respec to full mana, rest light if the US boards are anything to go by. Just what we need, more PBAEers (and snare DDers). I haven't decided yet, I think I'll give em till 1.55 to fix bolts/void before I change.

 

[old.Hellskor]

Looked items with Spirit Resists up on l9c.mad-troll.com

There ARE quite some items with Spirit Resists, but it's either
a) DF Armor no one would wear at 50 or
b) Healer/Shamy equiptment or
c) some of the most rare drops in Midgard.

Ring of the Mindwall for example, pretty nice stats, 12% Spirit resist ... anyone ever seen one ?
I leveled two lvl50chars and a (deleted) 44 Warrior in Malmohus, been in every last corner of that zone with my guild.
But I've never seen it drop.
Anyone actually got one of these? Someone must have one.

 

[Nonnier]

Originally posted by old.Sko
Nerf thanes !

You know what, they are wearing _CHAIN_, they can spec _WEAPONS_ and can have INSTA-HEAL. They get PBAOE, and we all know how powerful PBAOE is ! Also, they get insta-dd, single target DD and AOE DD. My god, they can nuke as hard as cloth wearing caster ! Yesterday i was nuked by thane for 130 points of damage and a green con luri did exactly same amount. Notice - thane nuked me just like most ubah hibernian caster !
Nerf to the weapon swinging, chain-wearing, insta-self-healing lighting spec wizards of midgard

heals? As far as i know i can only get IP 4 a heal

and besides, i can only cast 2 instats and a DD before i die, long timer

 

[old.Sko]

Originally posted by reinnon


heals? As far as i know i can only get IP 4 a heal

And first aid2. Dont forget about it

and besides, i can only cast 2 instats and a DD before i die, long timer [/B]

Wee! You can cast 3 nukes ! Some cloth casters are not even sure if they'll be able to cast one, and you can unload 3 of them ! Just make sure that one of them is AOE hammers

 

[Jonaldo]

Originally posted by Dannyn

3.0s actually, that's 25% faster.
If you specced void, don't expect to be able to nuke. If you wanted nukes you should have specced light. Light elds nuke plenty hard enough and with 2.8s base cast time too... I got hit 4 times for a total of 1650 damage by a light eldritch with 25% cold resist within stun time. Hib casters cannot complain about damage. Not mythic's fault you gimped yourself.

Wouldn't worry too much about your cold resist if you were fighting a light eldritch, as far as I know all light specs in hib are heat damage.

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Originally posted by Cornell


Wouldn't worry too much about your cold resist if you were fighting a light eldritch, as far as I know all light specs in hib are heat damage.

Light spec DD is cold dmg (like the void baseline one, and the bolts, and the void AE, and the GTAE, and even the light spec mezz I think....). This is one of the gripes about why elds are so inferior to chanters/ments at the moment. You want a nuker, make a Light Ment, you want a PBAEer, make a Mana Chanter, want a gimp, play an Eldritch. Although we seem to do quite well RP wise, sometimes I wonder if I just talk out of my arse...

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Patrick-S
lol anyone who thinks smite clerics shouldnt be nerfed is one ... its impossible to kill one if they are paying attention.. i PA,stun hit them couple of times they are on low life poisoned they pbaoe mezz then have a chance to rest/heal up before stunning me and smiteing me to death before i can even draw my weps again (unless ive had my con buffed up) if they were a caster even and had it id have a chance to kill them anyway due to lower hp and worse armour... and they get shields and weps not speccable sure but druids cant spec in them either... and they just heal, dot, buff, use there pets and i dont get why people made clerics if they dont want to heal or buff...

can you kill mid healers ?

 

[old.Hellskor]

Originally posted by mustrum



can you kill mid healers ?

Nope. A 'smart' healer legs it when he faces any other class, that actually can fight, alone.

 

[Nonnier]

Originally posted by old.Sko




Wee! You can cast 3 nukes ! Some cloth casters are not even sure if they'll be able to cast one, and you can unload 3 of them ! Just make sure that one of them is AOE hammers

If you use a AoE, its bitch city,our nukes are not brillient and a long recast time makes our PBAoE useless (and if you use it and a healer notices, prepare to get the hell out of emain )

 

[old.Patrick-S]

Originally posted by mustrum



can you kill mid healers ?

havent fought many solo but yea killed a few

 

[Cadwallon]

Most of the players that whine about smiters have no idea of the limitations of the class. Like the VN board whingers they happened to get 'owned' once 1v1 and didn't like it.

Yes...a well specced smite cleric is arguably the best 1v1 char in the game (and the real reason they got nerfed i.e. PvP server) but in RvR (the basis of this game) they are severely limited by long cast times, uber and easily obtainable spirit resists and appallingly short range.

DAOC attempted to break away from the EQ mould by actually providing the healing classes with something to add spice to the role. The Healer had the option of speccing in CC, the Druid got ...hmm... and the Cleric received the OPTION of being a more AD&D type cleric by being a damage dealer.

Healers and now Clerics have had their optional fun roles nerfed whilst the Druids (deservedly) got a boost.

Healers and Clerics are no longer fun to play for those who opted for the 3rd spec line. Some players enjoy paying a monthly subscription to stare at a mini-window in RvR..most don't.

Soon, if US experiences are anything to go by, Albion will pray for the return of the smiters as they RvR with just 1-2 clerics in the frontiers.

The problem will soon be far, far worse for those players who are already rejuv/mending/nurture specced. After spending months getting to level 50 they will find their chars not wanted or needed in RvR.

FA2 and IP is just the start. What was Mythic smoking when they opted to give tanks a cheap insta heal that is better than that provided by a rejuv cleric who has had to spec highly in a line to get it?

Are they next going to give healing classes the ability to once every 30 minutes swat a tank back to his bind point with the best uber weapon style in the game? Surely that would only be fair?

Soon everyone will be running around the frontiers with better instaheals than healers can provide and with potions that provide better buffs, in combat heal potions etc etc etc. What then for healers? What will Mythic do to make these classes fun to play again?

The smite cleric may be yet to see his finest hour....

 

[Cadwallon]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
Looked items with Spirit Resists up on l9c.mad-troll.com


Ring of the Mindwall for example, pretty nice stats, 12% Spirit resist ... anyone ever seen one ?
I leveled two lvl50chars and a (deleted) 44 Warrior in Malmohus, been in every last corner of that zone with my guild.
But I've never seen it drop.
Anyone actually got one of these? Someone must have one.

Saw 4 of these drop over a weekend at Lair..and was lucky enough to get one

 

[Taggart]

by turamber:
They wanted to play a damage dealer ... now they're told they have to play a healing buff bot. Rather than respec they should be allowed to create a completely new level 50 from scratch. DAOC is hardly bringing in new players these days, we would do better to keep the ones we have rather than forcing them out through nerfs.

Turamber get your head out of your arse son! No class in the game justifies getting changed for another char and it being made lvl 50!! Like i said and other people, smite clerics had it pretty good, even though i don't believe in chars being nerfed at all!!

Im sure, there are other chars in the game that if you were able to trade one lvl 50 char for another, there would be a few more infront of a soon to be nerfed smite cleric.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

We've always been limited due to our useless range and high cast times; sure if we group with an enhance cleric we get decent cast times, but compare that to nukers. And FGS the 48 smite is not, and has never been, more powerful than the specline nukes for casters.

Clerics were good 1on1 prior to RAs, that much is obvious. IP and Purge changed alot though (for all casters). TBH people would prefer a Healer in a RvR group anyday; clerics might rule 1on1 (or used to), but Healers rule RvR

As for the enlightened spastic who suggested clerics should spec rejuv instead of enhance, what kind of medication are you on? If a smiter wanted to be a healer, would he have specced smite in the first place? The answer should be obvious enough no matter what you're high on.

As for never intended to be a damage dealer, hey, you're a bright chap; obviously Mythic giving clerics a spec DD wasn't intentional. I applaud your intellect, having discovered the truth while us clerics actually believed the line was there to be used

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Patrick-S

havent fought many solo but yea killed a few

Probably the ones you have beaten are augmentation/mending specced? Kill them as easy as you would a enhance/rejuv cleric im sure. But i cant really see you doing much to a pacify healer.
-Stun Shout
-Stun shout AE
-Mezz shout
-Mezz shout AE
Need 38 in pacify for all of those, im sure many healers go that high at least.

Cleric gets one pbaoe mezz (soon to be nerfed) and you complain about that.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by old.Lianuchta


ROFL, you ever tried to bolt a cleric/druid/healer or anything else carrying a shield?

You cast Bolt
Cleric partially blocks bolt
You do 220 (-80dmg)....

Damn right... a shaman can out fight a caster. Specially when they getting improved.
shaman partially blocks bolt
You bolt shaman for 186(-210)
You are hit for 350 damage

People saying clerics better than casters. Shamans aint as shoddy as people make out 350 dmg on a caster quite hefty, ~200 dmg on a shaman hardly a dent on their hp bar.
Bolts should NOT take into consideration armour, OR miss. This might just justify the 20s recast time and stupid casting speed.

 

[Dwarfdeep]

You might say i'm slightly biased but IMO a support class has no place being one of the best chars 1-on-1 in RVR.

As a Middie Healer my char is pretty hard to kill one on one, but lets face it, after i heal up once mezzed what can i do to the infi that just tried to PA me? Yeah thats right absolutely nothing! RUN AWAY!!!!!!

If we look at my comparable classes we have the Smite Cleric, erm XXX hits u for 350 dmg, middie healer mezzes for 1 minute. Then he legs it as far as his stumpy legs will carry him.

Sorry guys i think its time you rejoined the ranks of the heal/rezz biatches that Healers/Druids enjoy, the party is over.

So erm Nerf away!!!

 

[Dook_Pug]

Originally posted by - Pathfinder -

As for the enlightened spastic who suggested clerics should spec rejuv instead of enhance, what kind of medication are you on? If a smiter wanted to be a healer, would he have specced smite in the first place? The answer should be obvious enough no matter what you're high on.

Little bitter about a justifiable nerf are we?

If you had bothered to read my post you would have seen that I was talking to those who were blaming Mythic and this nerf for Albions lack of Clerics and saying how they only have the option of being a buffbot. Which is wrong.

You specced Smite so you could deal damage eh? Well then why not spec a Fire Wizz? They deal serious damage don't they? Oh wait, that's right. They don't have Chain, Shield, Weapon, (self)buffs, good damage dealing capabilities, stun, PBAoE mezz, heals, rezz and God knows what else.

Enjoy your nerf.

 

[Turamber]

Originally posted by Taggart
Turamber get your head out of your arse son! No class in the game justifies getting changed for another char and it being made lvl 50!! Like i said and other people, smite clerics had it pretty good, even though i don't believe in chars being nerfed at all!!

Im sure, there are other chars in the game that if you were able to trade one lvl 50 char for another, there would be a few more infront of a soon to be nerfed smite cleric.

Like your 'oh my god I suck 'cos I heal chant' paladin for example?

Well if you retrieve your own head from the gas oven for one moment "dad" think about what I posted. Those smite clerics chose to spec in a way that deals damage ... now Mythic tell them "oops we made a mistake, respec to heal people". From a purerly selfish point of view thats fine for me, more heals and buffs .... but what about the person who wanted to play an offensive character?

I realise that Mythic will not give them a new freebie level 50 of a different class - but its a much better alternative than those players quitting the game all together.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by Dwarfdeep
You might say i'm slightly biased but IMO a support class has no place being one of the best chars 1-on-1 in RVR.

As a Middie Healer my char is pretty hard to kill one on one, but lets face it, after i heal up once mezzed what can i do to the infi that just tried to PA me? Yeah thats right absolutely nothing! RUN AWAY!!!!!!

If we look at my comparable classes we have the Smite Cleric, erm XXX hits u for 350 dmg, middie healer mezzes for 1 minute. Then he legs it as far as his stumpy legs will carry him.

Sorry guys i think its time you rejoined the ranks of the heal/rezz biatches that Healers/Druids enjoy, the party is over.

So erm Nerf away!!!

A cleric that specs smite is NOT intended to be for support, that spec is for killing, which is why the DD's are there in the first place. Just so happens it makes a very nasty combination with insta mezz and a baseline stun, making it a very versatile 1v1 class. Same thing has happened with hib casters, they might not have chain, or insta mezz... instead they can QC, cast nukes MUCH faster, and lots of them have orrible lil pets too. Try getting a shot off at a hib caster when both he and his pet are nuking you.

Healers and druids might heal/rezz a lot (is that a bad thing...?) but also take into account that healer is best CCer in game, having LOTS more CC than the smite cleric. Have heard many a mid bragging how a healer has mezzed loads of albs and they win hands down.

And whats wrong with running away after mezzing an assasin who has tried to kill you. Better than dying after an assasin has tried to kill you, often the case.

Please note the topic of this thread is actually moaning about hib casters, not smite clerics, which are being nerfed anyways. Simply saying if smite clerics are so should hibby casters. Eye for an Eye [makes the whole world blind] ... [and a whole lot fairer IMO]

 

[poppamies]

clerics are NOT nukers.
clerics are healers with a smite to defend them selfs (with chain and medium shield).
clerics get "nerfed" cos ther are owerpowerd.
clerics are the only healer class in teh realm that do same or more dmg then a nuker.
clerics are the MAÌN healer of albion.

and for healers insta mezz and stunn,they are on 10 minute timers.
clerics are on 30 sec timer.

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Originally posted by Dook_Pug

Enjoy your nerf.

My cleric wo't. My infil will, however

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by poppamies
clerics are NOT nukers.
clerics are healers with a smite to defend them selfs (with chain and medium shield).
clerics get "nerfed" cos ther are owerpowerd.
clerics are the only healer class in teh realm that do same or more dmg then a nuker.
clerics are the MAÌN healer of albion.

and for healers insta mezz and stunn,they are on 10 minute timers.
clerics are on 30 sec timer.

Smite spec cleric is a nuker Else you wouldnt be moaning about it would you.

How is a full smite cleric more of a main healer than a full rejuv friar?

Clerics dont do more dmg than nukers. Except maybe on somthing with really bad spirit resists. Undead maybe I wouldnt go so far as to call enemy realms undead, let alone say they had bad spirit resists.

Also note clerics can't get criticals with their DDs, or QC them. (Look at an enchanter, and yell nerf at that instead)

An cleric insta mezz timer being increased, i guess skald insta mezz is next ?

One day enchanters might even be nerfed. At which point they will all reroll somthing orrible like a moose with IP argh

 

[Jenna.]

Originally posted by mustrum


Clerics dont do more dmg than nukers. Except maybe on somthing with really bad spirit resists. Undead maybe I wouldnt go so far as to call enemy realms undead, let alone say they had bad spirit resists.

You havent tested a RC-RM I guess?

You hit xxx for 230 dmg! (with nerfed castingtime)

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Originally posted by Jenna.


You havent tested a RC-RM I guess?

You hit xxx for 230 dmg! (with nerfed castingtime)

Laff. Jenna hits you for 387. Jenna hits you for 717! Jenna hits you for 387!

Oh yes, very gimped base nuke

 

[Garnet]

Originally posted by mustrum


How is a full smite cleric more of a main healer than a full rejuv friar?

Name one full rejuv speced friar

 

[- Pathfinder -]

Originally posted by old.Garnet


Name one full rejuv speced friar

Traia has around 42 or so rejuv

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by - Pathfinder -


Traia has around 42 or so rejuv

Traia was actually the one i was thinking of when i made the post Even if going to respec. Still a damn good healer.

 

[mustrum]

Originally posted by Jenna.


You havent tested a RC-RM I guess?

You hit xxx for 230 dmg! (with nerfed castingtime)

Greater holy fury (clerics best spec DD) :
Spirit Dmg
4.0s cast time
173 DD
Range :1200 or somthing? (sorry not sure on range)

Rune of destruction (runies best BASE DD) :
Energy Dmg (imo better as my wiz has less energy resist than spirit but not many clerics nuke me anyways....)
3.0s cast time
176 DD
Range : 1500 i think usual caster nukey spell range.

Jenna you don't even have to spec and you can do more dmg than clerics :S

Rune of darkness (runie best spec DD) :
Cold Dmg
2.8s cast time
219 DD
Range : 1500 again i guess.

Evidently clerics are *much* more damaging.

- Jus pointing out although you might hit xxx for ~230 dmg, cleric most likely hits that person for less..... casters being very gimpified now THANKS whoever invented resists, as if having more hp, af, absorb etc wasn't enough for tanks, it seems casters are only really good at killing other casters now Except maybe some stupidly overpowered ones which can stun, meaning only stupidly overpowered tanks with stuff like IP and a moose morph could survive the barrage of unstoppable nukes... wait hang on those tanks are on the same side. Only good reason not to reroll as a hibby is by time the new uber char hits 50 mythic will decide to nerf it

 

[Jenna.]

You hit <insert random alb> for 230 damage!

Cleric hits you and your nerfed 30% resistance for 350+!

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