Monday 20th TG Raid!!!

[Akyma]

Second TG raid monday 20th, meet at Hagall 5:00pm GTM / 6:00pm CET 4 all realm.

LOOT RULES:
1º Only 48+ get can lotto.
2º U can random 4 lvl 48+ alts. (inform to Raid start)
3º U need use all stats.
4º Only can win 1 iten each raid.
5º 2 Round with same rules.
6º If u come and no get loot, u will win +10 to next raid random*.
( Ex. /Random 100 = 69 +10 = 79 )
RB reset after u win a iten.
*Max +100 RB (Random Bonus).
7º If u come at raid U ACEPT ALL RULES!!!

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RB List: (all ppl here got a +10)

Xandax..............Keyzer...........Sverker...........Scbuffs
Arandra.............Ralgedi...........Blueface
Artof..................Sparkfist.........Slap
Shabazz............Cale................Jika
Foalle................Zindy...............Battat
Traybarg...........Lohamer..........Xlroll
Tynalot..............Gizi..................Legholas
Dosent..............Latlaf...............Daradus
Xenoa...............Cinort..............Iricin
Kaaleen............Gargul..............Eecho
Indriid...............Gorash.............Wiaz

 

[Ajanti]

I joined your tg raid last moday for the sole purpose of getting a respec stone, but it's not easy winning a respec stone with your lottery system. This is because of the following things:

- players can vote more than once
- all players can "use" respec stones
- respec stones are last in the lottery

This means that *everyone* (who has not already won an item) will vote for the respec stones, and not just the players who truly want a respec stone.

As a result, my score of "68" (/random 100) was not even close to winning one of the 14 respec stones, and on top of that, many of the players who did win a respec stone, didn't really need one at all.

Not ment to be a whine just something to consider.

 

[Xandax]

I agree with the fact that maybe stones should be lottoed first
It is also (currently) my sole reason for going on TG raids ... but nevertheless I'll try to be there Monday again if I can make it.

 

[batdie]

Signing up for this.
( msg for Akyma: Esta ves voy con batdie, si al sb no lo tengo a 48, saludos )

 

[Akyma]

Ajanti, next raids, the ppl dont roll 4 stones if dont need, cause, they dont like lost the +10 or +20 with it i think. But np, next raid i dont have problen in roll stones first.

(msg for Batdie: okie, dale duro al SB, aunke un warrior rr6 siempre viene mejor )

 

[Xandax]

Just out of intrest, how would you know if "people have use for stones" or not.

I really want a respec stone - but how could I prove that I need it?

 

[bouh]

offctop: nerf Sverker, he collected +70 on BC raid already

 

[murazor]

Cant make Mondays often, do I keep my 10% for future raids if I don't come next week?

Thnx
Blueface

 

[nott]

Originally posted by Xandax
Just out of intrest, how would you know if "people have use for stones" or not.

I really want a respec stone - but how could I prove that I need it?

Believing in the good of mankind maybe?.................. Yeah right.

But since she's gonna do stones first now its pretty much the ones that need them thats gonna roll for them. I don't think it will be to hard to get a stone now if that's what you're coming for.

 

[kathal_tdd]

A few things that need to be better than the last raid:

1. Make the CG grp leader only and let it stay that way throughout the lottery. Ppl was spamming the cg and you, Pomka and Slap lost control of the lottery.
2. KICK ppl that won an item or stone.
3. Make it clear what item we are rolling for.
4. As said before, roll for the stones first, then the most popular items(Torsos, uber gems, belts etc.)
   [/list=1]
   
   Another way to do the lottery would be:
   1. Akyma make a list of ALL chars on the hunt
   2. Akyma rolls for ALL names and note the number
   3. Nr1 on the list picks an item. Nr2 on the list picks an item. Nr3 on the list picks an item. . . . . . . . . .
   4. Lottey over. No arguing and no rerolls.
      [/list=1]

 

[old.yaruar]

Originally posted by Ajanti

- players can vote more than once
- all players can "use" respec stones
- respec stones are last in the lottery

The best system I've seen is the one vote per round system. As long as it's done somewhere out of the way and people stick to the rules (and people who don't follow the rules are kicked from lottery) people will only lotto for what they really want as they know they can't get something else by default off another random that round.....

Everyone has their own methods though and the raid leader should use the one they prefer as TBH they are the ones doing all the hard work.

Although I missed the last monday raid (and will be missing this next one unless I can get a half day off work...) I was dissapointed to hear reports of people cheating on the lotto and exploiting the chaos to win things they weren't entitled to and rolling multiple times after winning (and reports of a number of people rolling who weren't on the raid or bailed out early) IMHO these drop whores are the ones who ruin it all and make the life of raid leaders a misery.....

 

[Akyma]

Originally posted by murazor
Cant make Mondays often, do I keep my 10% for future raids if I don't come next week?

Thnx
Blueface

U dont lost u +10 if u dont come m8. U only lost u +10 if u win a item.

 

[klonk]

Do you need Klonk warrior or Frekke mend/aug healer for raid?

 

[Akyma]

Originally posted by klonk
Do you need Klonk warrior or Frekke mend/aug healer for raid?

Sure m8, all ppl r wellcome.

 

[Bebopbo]

For those of us lower than 48, are we able to come along for XP? if so...whats the minimum lev? im 41atm

 

[kathal_tdd]

XP on TG hunts REALLY suck.
XP pr. mob might be gr8, but the XP over time is very low.

Dont go for the XP.

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by kathal_tdd
XP on TG hunts REALLY suck.
XP pr. mob might be gr8, but the XP over time is very low.

Dont go for the XP.

Ass-crackers, and i was gonna try and sneak my lvl38 Supp runie in as well

 

[kathal_tdd]

Originally posted by Archeon
Ass-crackers, and i was gonna try and sneak my lvl38 Supp runie in as well

You should know better, you old TG-Raider

 

[zuzzi]

join tg raid

marre lvl 50 savage jonig

 

[herjulf]

OK AKYMA

getting better, we could have been more effective though 80% was downtime, hoiwever worked very very well, queen/king went down VERY easy.

Some thoughts how to improve further:

Be effective, make shure that if ppl stick u that u drag em with u so u are in the front of the triangle so ppl can give u items.

some serious points u must absorb til next raid is these:

When lotto begins rules must be 100% clear not all read the forums for rules.

MAcro the rules and spam then in order, so NOONE can question them.

Moderate CG when lotto starts.

Overall it works very well /applause.
sooner or later it will be worked in and it will work very well.

 

[kathal_tdd]

Aye, getting better
A few details need to be sorted out.
There are a few tasks you need to hand out to a few ppl.
We need one to give drops to and one to /targer & /stick.
Lotto rules were better this time and ppl were "kicked" when they won something.
Macroing the rules is a must.
And if YOU say we should kill a mob we do it. Ofc ppl can comment, but in the end its YOUR call.

Conclution: Better than last time and Im sure it will get better next time

 

[Archeon]

Agree'd was good fun, as a point of advice it would help to be more vocal. Even if you have no idea what to do next just keep shouts stuff like

"Follow me"
"This way"
"Shut up twat before i beat you again!"

Helps to stop people thinking you have no idea what your doing (atleast the first two i did i had no clue which direction to go in because i'd lost my map)


Aside from that it was bad-ass. Can't wait for the next one

 

[phule_gubben]

did u win any cool stuff?

 

[Elthyr]

Shame I had to leave unexpectedly early

 

[Spix]

Was good raid again!

A few advices from me to get things smoother is this :

Dye armor in some strange bright color that is easy to separate from others.

Assign a person to be loot carrier. Prefarable a suppression runemaster that can make macros while raid is running. If he gets encumbered or full inventory he just hand loot over to someone else to free up space.

Keep moving, stopping at a spot waiting for one people who LD is not making anyone happy, raid takes long enough time anyway. Atleast explain why standing at one place for 10 minutes.



cheers!

 

[Xandax]

Some advice from me

-Less downtime, and faster movement.

-More communicating to people.

-More strict (and faster) Lottoing.

-Set up rules for who can roll for "friends". Seeing others seemingly roll for anything causes unrest amongst people.

-Get the rules written in a little clearer english. Many people, for instance, read the usage of the number 4 as in fact the number 4 and not a substitue for the word "for". (Get somebody else to write down rules if language is a problem - maybe even get somebody you know to do the communication for you )


Then it would be good - although I seem to continuely end up drop-less

 

[nott]

I'd like to hear what people think about the queens necklaces. These necklaces can only be equipped if you have a full suit of TG armor.

As it has been on the first two Akyma raids anybody can roll for it it seems, and I'd like to see some restrictions put on these.

I have to admit I'm biazed on this since I do have a full suit, but I just don't think its fair if someone with 1 or 2 pieces win these rare necklaces just to hide it in vault or sell it. Atleast make a restriction on 4+ pieces or something, and don't hand it out until they show it.

Gettin an endurance regen necklace is my priority on these raids and when anybody can roll for it then its just not worth it. Especially since its a "roll until you win" lotto and necklace comes after most weapons are handed out. Then all who didn't win weapon comes for the jewelry. You can really see why so many favour the "1 vote" lotto when experiencing this.

Other than that, respect to Akyma for setting up realmraids.

PS: don't use 4 instead of for. It really does confuse alot of people.

 

[Xandax]

We all have priorities on these raids (unfortunally I got mine messed up last night ), and if restrictions are being placed on some items, they will have to be placed for all (several) items.

While I understand your annoyance, I fail to see the value of rescriting items beyond class. Thoese people that win such necklaces are proberly also trying to gather a full suit, and have just as much "right" to it as anybody else.

While I can also get annoyed at seeing drops I want (need) sold by somebody who won them and maybe didn't *need* it (per se) - it is part of the game (as well as real life).

 

[nott]

Originally posted by Xandax
We all have priorities on these raids (unfortunally I got mine messed up last night ), and if restrictions are being placed on some items, they will have to be placed for all (several) items.

What you mean "they will have to be placed for several"? Which items you thinking of here?

While I understand your annoyance, I fail to see the value of rescriting items beyond class. Thoese people that win such necklaces are proberly also trying to gather a full suit, and have just as much "right" to it as anybody else.

If you bring a seer to raid you can nominate a 48+ alt right? Thats a restriction similar to the one I was looking for. Rolling for a queen necklace when you have 0-2 pieces of armor could be said to be the same as rolling on a foe slayer for your level 22 warrior. You may have use for it in the distant future but you also may never get there. So what your saying is that "my level 22 warrior" has as much right for a foe slayer as a 50 warrior since Im also trying to get to 50?

May look a bit far fetched but I think you see the link. Its not like its just to go down to Tg and gather your full suit either.

 

[cerberos]

Originally posted by nott
What you mean "they will have to be placed for several"? Which items you thinking of here?



If you bring a seer to raid you can nominate a 48+ alt right? Thats a restriction similar to the one I was looking for. Rolling for a queen necklace when you have 0-2 pieces of armor could be said to be the same as rolling on a foe slayer for your level 22 warrior. You may have use for it in the distant future but you also may never get there. So what your saying is that "my level 22 warrior" has as much right for a foe slayer as a 50 warrior since Im also trying to get to 50?

May look a bit far fetched but I think you see the link. Its not like its just to go down to Tg and gather your full suit either.

So you want to roll for a gem, but you cant really use it until you get a new SC suit to match so should you be allowed to role for it?