Mods stop closing posts for no reason

[Damini]

Originally posted by old.Glendower
Your original post specifically mentioned "harassment" and "discrimination". Your law would only come into play when a poster invoked specific racial subjects, and then only when (a) and (b) apply. This really is not the same thing, so it does not invalidate the basic premise of no standing to bring action over mere "harassment" involving an activity that all the parties participate in voluntarily, but it is an interesting peek at the potential legal responsibilities of a website.

I note, however, that the law says "person". Barring additional statute (and I see you say "deemed the publisher" exactly how? Statute or stare decis?), no liability could befall any but the original writer. Your courts would have zero chance of prosecuting someone in another country that didn't have such a law, by the way.

In the US, I am fairly certain any such law would be struck down on First Amendment grounds for vaugeness simply because "stirred up" is a rather overly broad term. We do have similar laws, but they require an overt act or uging immediate criminal action...inciting to riot is a good example.





Agreed. But, it is interesting to note the rather strident defensiveness of a number of posts. Particularly when they defend against statements that were never made.



Well, all I can say to that is I personally am not trying to give you any grief here. I consider this simply a discussion. Temper that with the recognition that you guys CHOOSE each day to mod, however, and really shouldn't expect people to cheer you for a volunteer post.

If you want an example of petty, small-minded, deliberate attempts to be hurtful, I direct you to read the various postings by Sick. At least he has retreated to his one-liners after having been soundly defeated in the intellectual argument arena. Or maybe his fingers just got sore from the unfamiliar act of paging through the dictionary.




The fact that BW was originally poorly run as a business does not invalidate my position. You are also ignoring the secondary revenue streams relating to the forums (and this includes all of them, not just the Euro DAoC ones). I assure you, if the owners of this board did not see business gains from it, it would be shut down instantly.

That still has nothing to do with the claim that volunteer moderators are some sort of necessity.

I am not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one. I simply adhere to what laws I know, what advice I have been given, and what I have been asked to do. I suggest if you want to argue the ins and outs of the vagueness of British Law then you consult the people that make it! However, if you wish to research similar cases, I suggest you look into the cases against Friends Reunited, and against the website that revealed the name of the footabller having adulterous affairs whose name was blocked from the public by a judge to see how websites are treated with regards to the content they host.

And if you read that article about BW, I think you will find it was not the fact that BW was simply poorly led, it was due to the external market and the absence of additional investors needed (the role GAME subsequently entered). BW originally was simply a community of gamers that has evolved, and is still run by the same people, so I feel your perspective of this place is slightly skewed.

I don't expect ticker tape parades for being a mod, it isn't something I volunteered for or wanted to do with a burning desire, it was something I was asked to do, and I saw it as my way of giving something back to a community I love. Soppy, but true. Whilst I don't expect ticker tape parades, I don't appreciate the I Hate Authority Brigade who see mods as replacement teachers to test thier boundaries with and score points off of. I'm not accusing you of this, I'm just saying it is something that occurs as a mod.

I understand you want to discuss this, but I actually loathe intellectual debate threads, they simply turn into the IQ equivilent of penis measuring contests, so I'm going to respectfully bale out of this conversation.

 

[Exiled]

Uncle Sick, wrong forum, go here Spam all you want

 

[saltymcpepper]

lol

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

yawn

 

[TedTheDog]

Glendower, back off.
This message board is run by GAME as a free service and our volunteers are recruited to police the forums on a best endeavours basis.
At the end of the day you can blather and pontificate to impress everyone with your stupendous IQ but the moderators are mainly doing a subjective job which is therefore open to interpretation by definition.
Trying to bring "law" into it is pointless. These are our forums, we will run them as we see fit.
Most of the time it works. Sometimes it doesnt. Sometimes someone intelligent and obviously bored out of their skull comes along and muses on the world as it should be.

We cant please everyone all of the time. As long as we feel things are ticking over reasonably well and only a small minority are miffed at the way things are, then I think things are pretty damn good.

Opinion is fine. For instance, I think you sound like a jerk, but thats just my subjective opinion formed from reading your posts in this thread. Hardly fair to you I fully agree. However, I am putting that opinion aside in an attempt to rectify the apparent unfairness.

This isnt about "law" and "the right to free speech". This is a public forum that is free to use and our rules apply. Those rules are horribly complicated and largely subjective in application but they are our rules, not yours.
We will also defend our moderators so please get a new hobby (other than barrack-room lawyer that is) and leave them alone.
Your opinion is noted, stop trying to make it sound like a "law", it isnt.

 

[saltymcpepper]

no, we normally say OLD!!1111

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Now go and answer one of those emails.

 

[Ziva]

I'd be interested if you could expand on the fact that you can tell which mod has edited/closed a thread (just personal curiosity).

I have experienced a number of times while reading a topic and not knowing it was closed (i don't check if a topic is closed before reading it, i usually not know until i reach last post) after some posts my thoughts were "Ah...this topic will probably be closed by <name>". Sometimes justified because of bad or foul language and sometimes not justified because of the topic or goal of the thread which obviously didn't match with the personal favour of the mod closing the topic. That is not something that should happen i think.

Moderating is an objective action in some cases offcourse but imho this objective part needs to be the same for all mods (it's not possible for 100% offcourse, but the big line can be set) on the same board to prevent people from suspecting a mod to "use" his "power" the wrong way.

1) The "dont like it dont click it" thing was in relation to a legal standing to bring action in a court, and that was basically what the courts in the US said when someone tried to bring an action for harassment online. I was not especially advocating that as a sole moderation meathod, although to be honest, I think it DOES have a lot of validity.

I didn't relate your comment to anything legal when i read it in your previous post it to be honest and i was even tempted to say the "if u don't like it, don't click it" could apply for you too. Since moderating is a part of how these forums are maintained, people who don't like moderating shouldn't come here (basically don't click it). I don't make this comment to you personally, more as how i read your comment the first time.

As for the post of TedTheDog.... I do agree on the "your forum, your rules part and if people don't agree on them, they shouldn't become a member".

However without the community you wouldn't have had any existance at all... and if a big part of the community (not just one person) at some point doesn't like or agrees on the way a moderator moderates... will you also "defend" this moderator to the bone"? Having a succesfull forum is one thing, listening to the community to keep it that way is another.

 

[Exiled]

sick, you lost ? or are you like attached to the Mod ? kinda like their pet or a gimp maybe, kinda like keeping you in a cage,

 

[old.Glendower]

Originally posted by Damini
I am not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one. I simply adhere to what laws I know, what advice I have been given, and what I have been asked to do. I suggest if you want to argue the ins and outs of the vagueness of British Law then you consult the people that make it! However, if you wish to research similar cases, I suggest you look into the cases against Friends Reunited, and against the website that revealed the name of the footabller having adulterous affairs whose name was blocked from the public by a judge to see how websites are treated with regards to the content they host.

You brought it up, I didnt. But it makes sense to analyze something posted to support a statement, and, FYI, I AM a law student myself, so it is kind of second nature for me to do this. Thanks for the reference.

Originally posted by Damini
And if you read that article about BW, I think you will find it was not the fact that BW was simply poorly led, it was due to the external market and the absence of additional investors needed (the role GAME subsequently entered). BW originally was simply a community of gamers that has evolved, and is still run by the same people, so I feel your perspective of this place is slightly skewed..

Yes, I did read the article, and yes, it seems the majority of the issue was external market factors, but also I see a failure to anticipate the things that happened, or to provide for them. In the end, the man steering the ship takes the responsibility.

Originally posted by Damini
I don't expect ticker tape parades for being a mod, it isn't something I volunteered for or wanted to do with a burning desire, it was something I was asked to do, and I saw it as my way of giving something back to a community I love. Soppy, but true. Whilst I don't expect ticker tape parades, I don't appreciate the I Hate Authority Brigade who see mods as replacement teachers to test thier boundaries with and score points off of. I'm not accusing you of this, I'm just saying it is something that occurs as a mod.

No problem. I see what you are talking about all the time and agree that it isn't really called for in the vast majority of cases.

Originally posted by Damini
I understand you want to discuss this, but I actually loathe intellectual debate threads, they simply turn into the IQ equivilent of penis measuring contests, so I'm going to respectfully bale out of this conversation.

If you say so. But actually many folks find such discussion interesting and/or amusing. I think there is a lot of value in this thread. In one spot, you have all the mods talking frankly about how/why/etc they feel and do what they do, and for the most part polite and rational (loser Sick-boy being the crass exception in keeping with his level of intellectual/emotional development and general genital fixation).

Cant really ask for much more than that.

Ted-

Go back and reread the posts without getting yourself into a lather. You will then perhaps notice that you have made a few assumptive errors, the most obvious of which is that I am not arguing law to support my point of view, or to advocate any change, but rather was just discussing the issue when it was raised by one of your mods.

Also, at no point did I raise the issue of, or attack any of your "rules".

So much of the rest of your post, based upon this error, takes the tone of a rambling rant/personal attack.

I think BW is one of the best forums I have seen, with many great features, even if the traffic on this one is a bit narrow and light, and I happen to agree with several of your statements such as:

"We cant please everyone all of the time. As long as we feel things are ticking over reasonably well and only a small minority are miffed at the way things are, then I think things are pretty damn good."

I do think however, that if anyone, mod or not, posts statements on the board, they should expect feedback, and they can probably do just fine "defending" themselves without turning out the "dog"

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

yawn

 

[Exiled]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
I suck monkey nuts and offer "favors" to the mods for a custom title

 

[censi]

fook me.

This post should have actually been closed as it was my mistake for moaning at mods for closing a post they didnt actually post.

Irony.

 

[old.Glendower]

One of the nice features here Censi is that you can close your own post if you wish

But then you would have missed all the fun.

This thread has one of the higher view counts, so lots of folk are involved.

 

[inuyasha]

but most of us find it rather boring

Agree with sick, yawn!

 

[Cadire]

Originally posted by inuyasha
but most of us find it rather boring

Agree with sick, yawn!

Maybe you should read the messages

I put the 'yawn' and 'sigh' in Uncle S's posts... in reference to his penile fixation with Glendower.

Arguments and disagreements is fine, but no personal attacks, and certainly no stalking!

p.s thanks for the PM Uncle S

 

[inuyasha]

Originally posted by Cadire
Maybe you should read the messages

I put the 'yawn' and 'sigh' in Uncle S's posts... in reference to his penile fixation with Glendower.

Arguments and disagreements is fine, but no personal attacks, and certainly no stalking!

p.s thanks for the PM Uncle S

personal attacks4tehwin

Hehe, guess im just kidding and stuff, peace out, and all in all, you do a decent job, even though i sometimes agree the best way to handle your job is simply not doing it, with exceptions of course, like links to images of dead children and the like.

 

[old.ST200]

OMG JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP EL RETARDO.

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by old.ST200
OMG JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP EL RETARDO.

quoth the idiot "Nevermore"...

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

Originally posted by Cadire
Maybe you should read the messages

I put the 'yawn' and 'sigh' in Uncle S's posts... in reference to his penile fixation with Glendower.

Arguments and disagreements is fine, but no personal attacks, and certainly no stalking!

p.s thanks for the PM Uncle S

Hehe... stalking Glendower? :lol:

And my attacks are always personal... he is just an idiot who seems to be compensating for something.
I tried arguing with the little shit but either he completely ignores what I write or twists it around until it fits his narrow minded, childish views... so I gave up on that and try to have fun with Mr. I aer teh uber intellectual.

And a small cock is just a wild guess... I am pretty sure, though.

 

[Arnor]

yeah, oh and btw: Im gonna study what glendower just has finished/is doing, am I gonna end up like him after that?

 

[Uncle Sick(tm)]

You are going to have a small c0><><0r, Arnor!!

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
You are going to have a small c0><><0r, Arnor!!

:scared: noooooooooooooooooo



does the other 6inches just fall off then?

 

[llixeraxu]

Originally posted by TedTheDog
Opinion is fine. For instance, I think you sound like a jerk...

Where TedTheDog loses all credability.

 

[old.Glendower]

Originally posted by Uncle Sick(tm)
I tried arguing with the little shit but either he completely ignores what I write or twists it around until it fits his narrow minded, childish views... so I gave up on that

Translation:

"I am just an abusive, ignorant prick who was outclassed, outplayed, and out-spoken, so I have retreated to four letter word insults of no real substance in an attempt to garner some sort of attention. This is also more befitting of my level of intellectual, educational, and cultural un-achievement."

 

[Cadire]

I'm not feeling any love here