ML 1 to 10 rush overe 2 days

[thergador]

its darkho/graeme

well there we go explians so much


ps
before you ask, yes i did change my FH name but that because i quit and lost my old details but every one know that i did change from zeusmdk to thergador

 

[Bugz]

Sorry to bring this post up - but I wanted to tell all the 'uber-raid leaders' who posted in here to learn some respect.

Firstly, the guy is planing an event for the community. Who cares what he preclaimed? On one of my hib-raid, I preclaimed ALL of ML 8 and ML 9 drops (.10 drops that is). Big deal. If you're running the raid, you make the rules.

Secondly, ML 2.9 is a very dodgy step and you shouldn't say he doesn't know what his doing. It's a very situational step.

Lastly, giving times he should do it in is also stupid. I've done a ML 9 raid in 40 mins. I've done an ML 9 raid in 2.5 hours. It all depends on the steps, the spawns and the situational differences.

It really annoys me when those who have ran raids think its fine to wreck and abuse other people's raids simply because they do not agree. Btw, in my experiance, fear does help to run a ML a lot quicker

And as for the comment 'a good raid leader could finish the raid with an afk bg.' Lol. Made me chuckle.

 

[psyco]

Sorry to bring this post up - but I wanted to tell all the 'uber-raid leaders' who posted in here to learn some respect.

Firstly, the guy is planing an event for the community. Who cares what he preclaimed? On one of my hib-raid, I preclaimed ALL of ML 8 and ML 9 drops (.10 drops that is). Big deal. If you're running the raid, you make the rules.

Secondly, ML 2.9 is a very dodgy step and you shouldn't say he doesn't know what his doing. It's a very situational step.

Lastly, giving times he should do it in is also stupid. I've done a ML 9 raid in 40 mins. I've done an ML 9 raid in 2.5 hours. It all depends on the steps, the spawns and the situational differences.

It really annoys me when those who have ran raids think its fine to wreck and abuse other people's raids simply because they do not agree. Btw, in my experiance, fear does help to run a ML a lot quicker

And as for the comment 'a good raid leader could finish the raid with an afk bg.' Lol. Made me chuckle.

i agree with you on some points, but you weren't there... and afaik, you dont even play alb.

'reaveruse' has respect issues himself... so his not a victim here, he REFUSED to accept season'd ML leaders help, and it was genuine help
just remember there NOT insulting/putting him down in any way

i agree the preclaim's are at the discretion of the raid leader, that's perfectly acceptable... though it may harm the amount of attending players

the timetable is not a set time that should be used... but their good times to aim for, and i totally agree with zues for this

i dont think he ment a 100% afk, but a large portion of afk... with a large zerg its still acceptable, people go afk and come back all the time, hoping for a 100% attendance 100% of the time is just naive

and tbh if you knew who the guy was, you really wouldn't stick up for him... as past experience's have taught me, you try to help him and he just throws it back in your face, i wouldn't mind if he even seemed like he tried to read what you wrote, but it just falls on deaf ears

 

[Golena]

Sorry to bring this post up - but I wanted to tell all the 'uber-raid leaders' who posted in here to learn some respect.

When you turn up, lead a terrible raid, then flame people who came along to help for "not helping enough". Then you lose the right to any respect yourself.

A timetable isn't necessary if your running a single raid. If your running 5 then taking 3 hours over each one isn't acceptable, especially when your demanding 100% non-afk.

It's his raid sure, and if he wants to preclaim that's also fine, no-one is suggesting he shouldn't pre-claim. What they are saying is that if your going to lead a raid very badly, demand other people come do it for you, then pre-claim all the good stuff without saying in advance, then expect people not to come to your next raid. When you come back to complain that the people that suggested pre-claiming on a raid shortly after messing up your first one might be a bad idea ruined your second one, then it's just laughable.

The guys also a known idiot, which doesn't really help his case.

 

[Coriolanus]

Sorry to bring this post up - but I wanted to tell all the 'uber-raid leaders' who posted in here to learn some respect.

Firstly, the guy is planing an event for the community. Who cares what he preclaimed? On one of my hib-raid, I preclaimed ALL of ML 8 and ML 9 drops (.10 drops that is). Big deal. If you're running the raid, you make the rules.

Secondly, ML 2.9 is a very dodgy step and you shouldn't say he doesn't know what his doing. It's a very situational step.

Lastly, giving times he should do it in is also stupid. I've done a ML 9 raid in 40 mins. I've done an ML 9 raid in 2.5 hours. It all depends on the steps, the spawns and the situational differences.

It really annoys me when those who have ran raids think its fine to wreck and abuse other people's raids simply because they do not agree. Btw, in my experiance, fear does help to run a ML a lot quicker

And as for the comment 'a good raid leader could finish the raid with an afk bg.' Lol. Made me chuckle.

Sounds like you make a crappy raid leader or any other kind of leader.

 

[Bugz]

Sounds like you make a crappy raid leader or any other kind of leader.

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

 

[psyco]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

that's truly awful

he in fact was one of albs most treasured raid leaders

 

[trycorn]

Sorry to bring this post up - but I wanted to tell all the 'uber-raid leaders' who posted in here to learn some respect.

sorry to bring this to ur attention, but the guy is an idiot simple as that and if u cant stand the heat step out of the kitchen!
and the fact that he blaim's the ppl flaming this thread 4 the poor turnup is just pathetic rly, the server is dropping in number's and ppl know how he does raid's ofc they wont turn up, its a pure waste of time!

 

[trycorn]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

considering u dont have a fucking clue who ur talking about says it all tbh, dunno if the guy never ran a raid dunno if the guy ran a million raid, atleast just have a tiny clue before posting like u where god's givf to raid's in daoc...

 

[psyco]

if u cant stand the heat step out of the kitchen!

omg why do so many people use that quote now

have i set a trend?

 

[Coriolanus]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

About 20 ML1, 10 ML2s, 10 ML3s, 8 ML4s, 6 ML5s, 4 ML7s, 10 ML8s and 2ML9s. I never preclaimed an entire set of items, nor did I get angry with people or frighten them.

Your experience counts for naught if you promote greed and fear as acceptable standards of behaviour.

 

[elbeek]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

Good old Bugzy. Master of self pwn and King of opening gob and uttering shite.uke:

 

[Shannesa]

bugzy dont now you to well but i thouhgt i post this any way

to be a good ml leader is to spend many houers and leaern all steps by fallow atthers before try make mls .

with that ammount of mls i be doing most albs know me by mls and i dont post mutch on atthers raids .

a few of this forum who doing ml raids have earned respct by realm fore there work to helping albs trow mls

not try start any war in words or any thing my point is that you should know entire story before you flame atthers .

 

[psyco]

to be a good ml leader is to spend many houers and leaern all steps by fallow atthers before try make mls .

in greames defence, im sure he's been to many ml's... and knows how there done...

but there are some other skills required to lead a BG, witch i guess he hasn't obtained yet

 

[thergador]

its one thing know how something is done but doing it something quite different ie; organizing people in such a way they do what you need them to with out turning your self in to a dictator, and remembering thing will go wrong and have back up plans to cope with it

but this guys not learnt that albs will not spend 24 hours over 2 days and will not accept a guy that cant run the raids with organizational skills then preclaims 200plat in drops

and then blames other that tried to point out how he can improve his raids for people not turning up which was total crap it was many due to the stuff i said already and the other factor being 4 ml1 to ml10 in about 3 weeks

 

[Golena]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

If your above post is an example of your raids then the fact you ran them is of little value to me as well.
If you need to threaten people in order to get them to do what you want then your a crap leader. The fact you need to then preclaim all the items just says it all. Come back when you have a clue thx.

 

[Bugz]

considering u dont have a fucking clue who ur talking about says it all tbh, dunno if the guy never ran a raid dunno if the guy ran a million raid, atleast just have a tiny clue before posting like u where god's givf to raid's in daoc...

I searched but I found very little...

Never posted I was God's gift. Maybe you could learn to read...?

 

[Bugz]

About 20 ML1, 10 ML2s, 10 ML3s, 8 ML4s, 6 ML5s, 4 ML7s, 10 ML8s and 2ML9s. I never preclaimed an entire set of items, nor did I get angry with people or frighten them.

Your experience counts for naught if you promote greed and fear as acceptable standards of behaviour.

20 ML 1's - now isn't that a tricky raid to run!

My experiance counts for naught? Greed is preclaiming? My my, what a simple view on life you have. If the recruiter gets people jobs but he takes a small percentage of the total revenue, does that make him greedy too? Get real. If you run a raid for people, you are entitled to set your own rules. If people don't like it. They don't turn up. Yet most do - for the BG Steps.

Fear makes a ML run faster. If you don't become an authority, the small people get mugged off by those who have loudmouths and those who seek to ruin it for others. It's not my fault i'm not a carebear. I like letting my BG know that 'if you fuck me or the majority about, you will be kicked' because the majority rules over the minority.

You preclaiming is worth fuck all to me bob. And how can you say 'about' and then list whole numbers? That defeats the whole object of an estimation?

And I really feel sorry for your BG if someone comes on and begins wrecking the steps etc. Do you offer them advice on how to wreck it further? I would love to be in your BG if you have no authority.

 

[Bugz]

If your above post is an example of your raids then the fact you ran them is of little value to me as well.
If you need to threaten people in order to get them to do what you want then your a crap leader. The fact you need to then preclaim all the items just says it all. Come back when you have a clue thx.

You deem it little value yet you feel the need to reply lol...

Threaten people? Maybe you don't know the difference between words. Fear and threatening are two VERY different terms. Fear is letting the bad guys know that I won't tolerate them for the good of the BG. Thretening only occurs for me when someone is ruining it for the majority.

All the items? I ran ML 1-9, ended up with a splitting headache and I preclaimed two steps of items for my troubles. Maybe I don't have enough willpower as you or patience or maybe you can run nine raids and not come out with an intense headache but for me that isn't the case.

Amazing how defensive half of Alb get when I stick up for someone lolz.

 

[Bugz]

bugzy dont now you to well but i thouhgt i post this any way

to be a good ml leader is to spend many houers and leaern all steps by fallow atthers before try make mls .

with that ammount of mls i be doing most albs know me by mls and i dont post mutch on atthers raids .

a few of this forum who doing ml raids have earned respct by realm fore there work to helping albs trow mls

not try start any war in words or any thing my point is that you should know entire story before you flame atthers .

I understand that and I sympthise. It does take a great deal of effort to be a ML leader, especially in the most-populated realm.

However, for people to pass judgement on someone for preclaiming etc. is not nice. Instead of telling him 'oh yeh, crap raid kkthxs,' you could offer criticism etc. (Not aimed at you directly Shanessa).

I think people get too big for their shoes sometimes. I know some of you guys run ML raids and I give kudos to you for doing so, but even if someone does bad, who are you to call them greedy, an idiot etc.

Good old Bugzy. Master of self pwn and King of opening gob and uttering shite.uke:

This arguement is regarding ML leaders Beeks. Not those who get hot-headed in guild chat and cry when kicked out

 

[psyco]

Amazing how defensive half of Alb get when I stick up for someone lolz.

ive tryed defending him many times, and all i got from him were insults and he compared me to necromania...

not at one point did he thank me or anything...

if you started defending a respected alb you wouldn't have came up against such force

but someone close this tread now, bugz is clearly not up to date with events on alb

 

[thergador]

bugz simple fact for u here

he got 8 people for his last raid and its not because people read the stuff peeps wrote on fh, i offered to cancel my ml rush which he'd decided to put ml rushs either side of and after his 1st ml rush i got mail bombed almost saying plz dont cancle. so i ran it with reduced numbers i did say on my post that number had been low and even said to shan in game that theres been to many mls lately and i think your might struggle to get good numbers. so albs didnt need the mls and you think they would go on a badly lead raid (not saying shan pinkeys or mine are perfect)?

it was clear from his 1st raid and the fact that he said it wasnt my fault the raid took so long it was everybody else's fault and didn't take notice of any advice he got.

and if you read what most peeps said about preclaims ie learn to run raids then pre-claims are fine but expecting someone else (shan) to pay for all the items needed and still preclaim on your 1st raid did show some greed ie not paying for your own raid but preclaiming.

not sure why your so up for defending the guy tbh you didnt attend his 1st raid afaik did attend his second so you really cant defend his actions as you dont know what they have been.

so plz go back to trolling on anoher post/forum

 

[thergador]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

well by your own standards m8 i can judge you opion as worth less
you have lead

single mls
ml1=2 ml2=2 ml5=1 ml6=1 ml10=1
ml rushs
ml rush over 3 days =1
(thats all i could find on fh by doing bugz theards started by)
so thats 17 ml's

well in the famous words "you have judged yourself and been found wanting"

i'd engage ur brain next time before you make such a statement there people on the forum that have run 200+ raids

 

[psyco]

well by your own standards m8 i can judge you opion as worth less
you have lead

single mls
ml1=2 ml2=2 ml5=1 ml6=1 ml10=1
ml rushs
ml rush over 3 days =1
(thats all i could find on fh by doing bugz theards started by)
so thats 17 ml's

well in the famous words "you have judged yourself and been found wanting"

i'd engage ur brain next time before you make such a statement there people on the forum that have run 200+ raids

:worthy:

 

[Bugz]

well by your own standards m8 i can judge you opion as worth less
you have lead

single mls
ml1=2 ml2=2 ml5=1 ml6=1 ml10=1
ml rushs
ml rush over 3 days =1
(thats all i could find on fh by doing bugz theards started by)
so thats 17 ml's

well in the famous words "you have judged yourself and been found wanting"

i'd engage ur brain next time before you make such a statement there people on the forum that have run 200+ raids

More a self-defense mechanism for someone calling me a crappy leader (notice how he prejudges first).

I'm not getting into the arguement of who runs more raids and who is the most experiance.

What I mostly wanted to touch on was the way people treated stuff such as preclaiming as greedy.

But meh, I'll agree to disagree.

Onwards we go

 

[Coriolanus]

A good leader doesn't need to rule by fear in a game people play for fun. Nor does a good leader make himself rich at the expense of everyone else, whatever the situation.

Get a job with Blair, he will just *love* you.

 

[Coriolanus]

...I'm not getting into the arguement of who runs more raids and who is the most experiance.

You'd lose . Because you lack experience and because you cannot spell for toffee.

What I mostly wanted to touch on was the way people treated stuff such as preclaiming as greedy.

It wasn't about preclaiming but taking everything, there is a difference. If we do not like your raid rules that is because they stink mate.

 

[psyco]

Considering I have more knowledge of raids & I have ran A LOT more raids than you (if you've even led any) your opinion is of little value

I'm not getting into the arguement of who runs more raids and who is the most experiance.

self owned comes to mind
i believe you should quit while your ahead

 

[Golena]

What I mostly wanted to touch on was the way people treated stuff such as preclaiming as greedy.

There's very different ways of pre-claiming tho.

If your turning up and running the raid, paying for the items required and doing a good job, fair enough.
If like this guy, your turning up, flaming other people because they didn't turn up with the items you required, failing to get the steps done, then taking the items without saying so up front, it's a very different story.

Shan has pre-claimed one or 2 things in his time. No-one i've ever met has had a problem with it, because Shan runs good raids and pays for the items required for the ML. See the difference?

 

[Darzil]

A good leader doesn't need to rule by fear in a game people play for fun. Nor does a good leader make himself rich at the expense of everyone else, whatever the situation.

Good raid leadership is about clear communication of what is going on, and what people have to do. If you communicate clearly, people don't run off doing different things.

It's also why when I ran raids I didn't try to do ML rushes. I'm normally typing constantly during a raid (at about 50 words a minute), so my fingers and brain are quite tired after one raid, I'd be a lousy leader over several raids.

Darzil