Minstrels... grr...

[granny]

Solo minstrels who refuse to group. Stop bloody leeching off of other groups kills!

If you wanna go solo, fine, go solo. If you wanna group then damn well do so and help others with your ablatives/speed/whatever. Just stop leeching you cheap tarts!

 

[mince]

erk hope that wasn't me if it was contact me in game - still new to all this rvr stuff but would rather not discuss it here for obvious reasons

 

[faderullan]

I agree its annoying with leechers but a minstrel wont get that much rp for leeching cause they are unable to do damage

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

More fun to solo in Gorge or odins, more chance of 1on1 fights.
Though Gorge is a bit more fun than odins, if you get bored of fighting buffed assasins all the time.

 

[granny]

Not aimed at anyone in particular mince

And i have no problems at all with mincers soloing, that's cool, they're good at it. It's soloing but hanging around a group then thwacking each and every mid/nib once when a fight starts that annoys me.

And yeah, they get naff all rp's for doing it so... why do it?! Very annoying :/

 

[old.mattshanes]

Because it's realm vs realm? AND if your group died with like 1-2 enemies standing and the mins didn't help you would change view wouldn't you?

 

[mince]

/dons flameproof jacket

ok last night i headed to Odins with Konin and we were running about for a while, had a couple of nice battles etc - joined a cg with Steveirwin (as usual accompanied by bizarre range of pets) and were relaying info to each other. Was basically running about dropping in and out of stealth etc and checking roads/trees/milegates etc. Noticed 2 grps of mids (seperate) and 1 grp of hibs at various places.

Tagged onto an alb grp (Vayasen) for a ride to hmg when we get there a battle is taking place between the hibs and mids. Was I wrong to join in? Nobody from the grp said "go away" and if they had i would have no problem. It seems pvp etiquette is slightly different to that of pve and im still trying to suss it out. Either way, if im cocking up would rather someone /send me in game and tell me there and then


oh and ding RR3

 

[Litmus]

Heh same problem with SB's in midgard, like yesterday i was runnning to mmg solo(unbuffed) when i get jumped by a buffiltrator and buffedmincer, i killed the infil easy enough then got the mincer to 5% hp when a rr1 sb fresh outta malmo PA's the mincer to get the kill, its totaly annoying.

 

[granny]

OK I'll give a more specific example

Lastnight we (Seven) had ~1.5 fg's running about Odin's. Had some *amazing* fights (/waves at Bfr ) and generally a top night. At one point though a solo minstrel tags onto us and hangs around. I won't give his name but it wasn't you Mince Twice we had some good fights at milegates and each time this minstrel just joined in smacking mids/hibs once or twice each. Not really contributing to the fight, just leeching rp's, not mezzing etc. Just waving the sword about uselessly. After the first time I offered him a group but he declined, wanted to solo. Next fight, does the same - refusing us the benefit of his speed/ablative/mana regen songs, but happy to use us as a shield from the fg's of enemies while he leeches a few rp's.

Now if this kind of thing was an isolated incident I'd say nothing but it happens often and it always minstrels that do it.

Maybe it's because a lot of minstrels spend their 1-50 leveling career afk playing powersong... they think that leeching is how the game should be played? <prepares to get flamed to death for that one >

And note, I'm not saying all minstrels, just some

 

[Nightchill]

Bit of a silly thread surely gran? I pretty much only solo in Emain since non-guild groups are far too stressful (and just want a speedbot ). Many times me hanging back a bit from a fg will allow me to demezz them when they get hit by an insta. If I'm helping them in such a way, I'd be pissed off if they shouted at me when I joined in the killing.

"Leeching" is hard to quantify. As mattshanes said, if he didn't join in, and you all died, you'd be whining the other way.

 

[Nightchill]

and, in minstrels defence, it's very rare they get to go afk in groups. think I got about 30mins of afk (with powersong on) whilst I was lvling to 50.

 

[rynnor]

What a strange attitude? In Pve that kinda stuff would be annoying but in Rvr what the hell?

Theres no I in realm...

 

[Hit ^_^]

next time you run around in emain remember that the Spot might be taken

 

[faderullan]

Originally posted by Litmus
Heh same problem with SB's in midgard, like yesterday i was runnning to mmg solo(unbuffed) when i get jumped by a buffiltrator and buffedmincer, i killed the infil easy enough then got the mincer to 5% hp when a rr1 sb fresh outta malmo PA's the mincer to get the kill, its totaly annoying.

You kill a buffed the infil and minstrel unbuffed?
2 reasons i can think of...

1. They were grey con
2. They lacked skill totally

 

[Litmus]

Originally posted by faderullan
You kill a buffed the infil and minstrel unbuffed?
2 reasons i can think of...

1. They were grey con
2. They lacked skill totally

1) both lvl50
2)correct


think mincer was not buffed as much as infil, and infil was still useing epic armour

 

[old.mattshanes]

Hey litmus buffed infs have no skill at all, all you mids know that

 

[Fafnir]

Minstrels are really pissing me off, they come up picking a fight, mezz, stun, dd, attack, you hit back, and dd minstrel sprints off. And gets speed just as you get your dd back.

 

[-ElemenT-]

Luske solo's alot in Odin's and I must say... he's a tough one (with my skald that is).. ofcourse he's buffed to the teeth and has a orangecon pet that hits u for 200 in 'melee' and nukes u for 250-300 but he still wins

Never meet him with my thane tho :/ would be nice

 

[stroopwafel]

we were 5 tanks + cleric in odins a few days ago and there were 3 minstrels "soloing"

bit odd there was always 1 minstrel who unstealthed 1 sec after our group got jumped by mids/hibs :\

i always thought a minstrel was a groupclass, with speed and other usefull things, but it looks like albion suffers more from the albs than from mid/hibs :\

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Originally posted by stroopwafel
but it looks like albion suffers more from the albs than from mid/hibs :\

Been like that since I can remember

 

[stroopwafel]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
Been like that since I can remember

so you taxi me from now on in odins?

 

[granny]

No Nightchill I don't think it's a silly thread - I don't post a lot here so I tend to save it just for things that are bothering me (and people I know) particularly.

The scenario you described is great, yeah, I have no problem with that. What I said, and I'll say again, is that it pisses me (and a lot of other people) off when a minstrel refuses to group but wanders into a fight, whacks each nme once or twice and buggers off again.

Never have I had a solo minstrel demezz me. Not once. I'd be eternally grateful if one did that, rest assured.

Also I'll repeat myself again in a vain attempt at getting this point heard - I'm not talking about all minstrels, just the ones that refuse to group yet are happy to leech from fights without making a genuine positive contribution. Minstrels have a lot to offer RvR groups yet there's a significant number of them that seem intent on not using those abilities :/

 

[old.mattshanes]

Wasn't steveirwin by any chance?

 

[Nightchill]

ooh handbags at dawn

 

[granny]

I won't name any names

 

[klavrynd]

Originally posted by Litmus
Heh same problem with SB's in midgard, like yesterday i was runnning to mmg solo(unbuffed) when i get jumped by a buffiltrator and buffedmincer, i killed the infil easy enough then got the mincer to 5% hp when a rr1 sb fresh outta malmo PA's the mincer to get the kill, its totaly annoying.

what a load of bollocks

They're buffed and you're not , add a dash of troll qui and the chances of getting a reactive off are slim to none
This means you're stuck with anytimers. DF would have drained you ooe after the inf and i dont see you killing a mincer unstyled. So you might've been using snowblind, whichi with my 50 qui and 67 axe/laxe does ~150-180 dmg , so trolls get what 180-200 if a bit lucky?

Now, add in 70 damage a pop dropping from that damage from ablative chant and there's no way you couldve killed both

 

[granny]

Originally posted by klavrynd
So you might've been using snowblind, whichi with my 50 qui and 67 axe/laxe does ~150-180 dmg , so trolls get what 180-200 if a bit lucky?

Now, add in 70 damage a pop dropping from that damage from ablative chant and there's no way you couldve killed both

Arrest this man, he talks in maths...

 

[thegreatest]

Originally posted by Hit ^_^
next time you run around in emain remember that the Spot might be taken

Lol you go to AMG and see a fg waiting there, shouting at you 'f*ck off you n00b this spot is camped1!!'

 

[Litmus]

Originally posted by klavrynd
what a load of bollocks

They're buffed and you're not , add a dash of troll qui and the chances of getting a reactive off are slim to none
This means you're stuck with anytimers. DF would have drained you ooe after the inf and i dont see you killing a mincer unstyled. So you might've been using snowblind, whichi with my 50 qui and 67 axe/laxe does ~150-180 dmg , so trolls get what 180-200 if a bit lucky?

Now, add in 70 damage a pop dropping from that damage from ablative chant and there's no way you couldve killed both

not realy all that hard, purge the infils stun/dot/debuff, then your back at 1400+weapon skill so you parry like mad etc, you kill the infil in 3-4 hits, that leaves the mincer, now you are imune to stun and because mincers only spec around 30weapon there weapon skill is very low so you parry even more, by this point i only got about 2or3 styled hits in before running ooe, then just used unstyled hits to take him down parrying like 3/4 of his hits, then ofc mr rr1 sb takes the kill at 5%hp


-edit, also used IP after killing infil

 

[darbey]

Originally posted by faderullan
I agree its annoying with leechers but a minstrel wont get that much rp for leeching cause they are unable to do damage

Obviously havent played a minstrel lately, of course u can do damage

As for Litmus post, it depends on the skill of the player. A good minstrel will take a skald and a thane apart (not the zerker) given some luck ie if they dont have purge up etc.