Minstrel Spec

[speshneeds]

play as normal... @ lvl40 /respec instrements and weee, your autotrained to lvl 40, points back in and some spare no?

 

[Gimly]

Thats what I did but to admit that at the begining would take the fun out of the thread

I think I was able to get an auto train to 8 in instruments

 

[old.ondor]

altho im retired my opinion is

i believe u need at least 39 slash to deal a good average damage

i got 44 and i managed to solo 2 skalds without tricks or pet.
(but i was buffed) .

 

[old.windforce]

level 12 skalds?

skalds are very hard for mincers is my experience

anyway think you are right: 39 at least for some haf decent weaponskill and backslash is a good style

little "jumping a foo scenario"

dd dd mezz... regen... backslash dd dd stun backslash backslash

 

[old.linnet]

You missed out the bit where they purge

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by sharma
/me points at Kyra or Danyan ^^

hmm? Well I'm somewhat inactive on my minstrel these days, but I say a few words. Also bear in mind I mainly do PvE or solo RvR with a buffbot, so these things are biased by that.

Well I'm 44/40/28 (slight slip with the old respec there, but I'm not bothered about 1 more slash vs 1 more stealth really). As Coren says, 44 or 50 instruments, the AE mez is junk, not even worth quickbar space except on a seldom used bar. In 1.60 I may respec to 50/30/30, or I may keep my current spec, or even go 44/35/34, I haven't decided yet, I'll need to see the ablative chant in action first.

Weaponskill: Even with 40 natural slash my weaponskill sucks. It's lower than my 42 merc's.

Respec at 40 for autotrain doesn't work, you don't autotrain those points, you autospend them, so all it does it allows to you respec back to exactly the same spec you just had.

Slash vs thrust: Slash is far superior IMO. I was thrust and respecced slash and slash is much nicer. For PvE thrust has better reactives and positionals, but the anytimes are seriously crap. Yes backslash is 39, but who cares when you have amethyst.

 

[Azal]

autotrain worked for me with my full respec at lvl 50 (with stealth obviously) and I got 7x extra points. So I see no reason why it wouldn't work with a single line respec too


[edit] must add. 50 stealth 27 slash 27 thrust 19 inst is uber, honest

 

[Danya]

Autotrain didn't work for me with my 50 full respec....

 

[Azal]

Deffo did for mine, without a doubt

 

[Nightchill]

minsts get a respec in 1.60 then?

 

[Danya]

Well I'll double check but I'm fairly sure I'm 44/40/28 with minimal spare points, autotrain for 78 would have allowed 44/40/31.

And no, minstrels do not get a respec in 1.60.

 

[Danya]

Azal, did you autotrain originally?

 

[lofff]

respec does not autotrain. tested.






ps: am going for the 44inst 34slash 35stealth, classic one. 45aemezz = crap, the ablative stuff ive read from the US boards aint been very convincing (altho US players suck so who knows ;P) 35stealth+11+rr5 = capped stealth, i know see hidden sucks but am not gonna spec a "gimped skald"

 

[sars]

whith the comming patch ill go.... and respec ill go 50inst 39slash 18stealth

 

[infozwerg]

Slash vs thrust: Slash is far superior IMO. I was thrust and respecced slash and slash is much nicer.

can you post a bit more info on that? style bonus and dam on thurst especially, im considering respec to thrust @40 for bonus to mid chain.

 

[minstrel_kyra]

I will agree, as a highlander, slash is much better. I know that most advise young minstrels-to-be that are saracrens (did i spell that right? i never can remember) to go thrust mainly b/c of their higher starting dext.

Before I respeced I was 45/41/25 I believe. (not really too sure, but I know my stealth was high and it still sucked). So in a stupid attempt to become more of the fighting minstrel that I love being, I went for more slash. Problem is I got a little crazy with my clicking (doh!) and now I'm 45/47/10.

I will agree that the last ae mez isn't that great but in a pinch it will hold the mobs until I can properly mez them. <pets her uber sc flute and purrs>.

When 1.60 comes live I am not really sure if I will make the jump and go for 50 inst since I am really becoming fond of saph slash. (I can hear my friends shaking their heads at the poor minstrel who thinks she's a tank )

I guess I will just wait and see how things go, hopefully get my hands on a few dragon respec stones and have some fun. Maybe full spec stealth for a weekend hehe that would be a riot.... "Yes Kyra we can STILL see you.. enough of the wanna-be infilmezzer, go respec dammit!"

And for whoever it was that mentioned safefall, we don't get the same goodies that other rogue classes get. I believe Mythic changed their mind about the climbwall option, which is a shame... imagine some silly minstrel (mostly likely me) climbing the walls with her crappy stealth to try and get off an ae mez. Hmm you just never know, sillier things have happened such as the inconnu and avalonian armsmen.

If you are curious about pre-1.60 spec of 50 inst, ask Medea about whether or not your mez and dd's are better at 50 vs. 45.

If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to message me in game.

Good luck with your new minstrel, hope you enjoy playing it as much as the rest of us do!

 

[Azal]

Autotrain on respec worked for me, and no I didn't autotrain originally at all.

Goto the catacombs char builder and make a lvl 50 blade, then try and spec it sword 39 leftaxe 39 stealth 33 envenom 33 crit strikes 34.

Can't be done without autotraining.

Thankyou and goodnight.

 

[minstrel_kyra]

think the question was about autotraining for minstrels...

and as far as I can remember, no I didn't autotrain in anything.

for those classes who can, all I can say is, you lucky bastards!

 

[liste]

you did autotrain, Kyra, you just didnt notice, because you had already specced instruments

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by infozwerg
can you post a bit more info on that? style bonus and dam on thurst especially, im considering respec to thrust @40 for bonus to mid chain.

Bonus is quite good, but I don't see that much difference in overall damage on mid chain due to the much better style bonus on amethyst slash over the thrust anytimes. Back before SI/SC it was better as it was a lot harder to get decent thrust resist vs slash resist. Currently, the difference is much lower though.
The main reason though is the anytimes. Slash has Amethyst Slash which has good damage, average endurance use and the nice very high bonus to hit. In comparison thrust has Sting, which is a bit lower damage, similar endurance but has a defensive penalty. Alternative there's the Puncture/Lunge chain, the problem there being puncture sucks loads of endurance and has low damage, lunge itself is only about as good as Am Slash for damage so the chain overall is weak. Or finally there's Tranquilize/Wyvernfang. There's a nice defensive bonus on this chain and Wyvern has good damage, but Tranq has no bonus damage or to-hit bonus making it a weak style to build on.

Originally posted by minstrel_kyra
And for whoever it was that mentioned safefall, we don't get the same goodies that other rogue classes get. I believe Mythic changed their mind about the climbwall option, which is a shame... imagine some silly minstrel (mostly likely me) climbing the walls with her crappy stealth to try and get off an ae mez. Hmm you just never know, sillier things have happened such as the inconnu and avalonian armsmen

Actually it went live. As of 1.60 minstrels get climb walls, distraction, danger sense and safe fall 1-5 in their stealth line. I'd definitely recommend any minstrel to consider 30 stealth for safe fall 3.

 

[lofff]

Originally posted by Azal
Autotrain on respec worked for me, and no I didn't autotrain originally at all.

Goto the catacombs char builder and make a lvl 50 blade, then try and spec it sword 39 leftaxe 39 stealth 33 envenom 33 crit strikes 34.

Can't be done without autotraining.

Thankyou and goodnight.

It doesnt work. I tested with a lvl40 alt. u are wrong.

 

[old.Atrox]

if you lvled your char before the first respec came all lines gained autotraining, but if you started after that patch you will not gain autotrain when you singleline respec.

 

[infozwerg]

sorry atrox you are out. you NEVER gain additional autotrain pts with a respec.