Minor revelation, hear me out

[kinadold]

A lot of mid/hib people on this board think the realms are balanced. Why do they think that ? Because it makes them
look more skillfull when they kill someone.

Insta mezz > QC mezz > castabel mezz
Stun > mezz > root

This patch bards and sorcs are pretty even

Both easy spotted.
Sorcs have bt, but a barde has more hp.
Bards have faster speed and can manouvre better on the battlefield, but sorcs have nukes and a yellow con pet and a
slightly faster cast.

Mid healer is just uber. Chain, insta heals, insta aemezz, insta ae
stun and so on and so on.

With insta aemezz bards will be better than sorcs.

With the upcomming nerf of stun, longer lasting root will be better and hence give alb casters a slighly bost.


A rvr group need cc & speed. Here hib has the advantage since
1 class combines those. Albs are mostly hurt here since in
the great wisdom of Mythic they made our main speeder a
solo char with stealth, but since skalds are viabel solo also mids
may have felt the problem from time to time.
If you dont have speed there is a great posibility your group will
move around with the zerg.

Let me put it this way. Classes who are needed in any group
should newer have been made solo classes, and that is
not players fault but Mythics poor design and lack of wisdom.

When im in a group with a cleric i excpect him to heal and help
people, not to go on rampage with stun and smite. His our main
healer not our nuker.

Mythic made to many of the main alb classes viabel solo, then figured that out, and then nerfed them without enhancing there
group abilities.

You do all remember the famous solo stun/smite clerics ?

 

[old.Nol]

or the alternative, bard is interupted at 1500, loses speed, qc rooted and chain bolted. While incoming hibs are stunned by cleric at closer range and minstrel/sorc casts aoe mezz(while moving I might add).

RvR is about quick thinking and team work...how do you think hibs beat mid healer groups? By your standars we should lose to the mids every time, but I am still looking for the threads started by hibbie's moaning at the middies uber CC.

 

[old.Nol]

Bards have faster speed and can manouvre better on the battlefield

How exactly can we manuevre better? In case you haven't noticed, we have to stand still to cast, and we change to endurance song in contact, which essentially means no speed.

Minstrels have speed, stealth and stun, mezz, aoe mezz - regardless of how gimped.

 

[bf_kate]

Originally posted by Glottis_Xanadu


Read my post, it is instant pbaoe mezz. So you expect our cleric to walk into the middle of a group, and cast it while the enemy stands about looking at him? He will be mezzed long before, then stunned by a castable stun, and then killed within 2 seconds.. (no time to press instant heal or mezz at all...)
Regards, Glottis

Actually, in certain situations it works quite well. For instance, if you are already moving at minstrel speed and you're taking a group of hibbies by even a slight surprise then you can often sprint in, mez the bard, and sprint back out again. Our mez has a shite duration but is insta so you can normally get it off before the bard has time to react. Unfortunately, mez is going on a 5 minute timer cause clerics were just too damn uber.

The real problem arises when there is more than one bard

And against mids this isn't as successful. However, it is still good against casters if the healer is busy. Yes healers are great cc, but Albs help them out an awful lot by running around on stick. I try to avoid the mez and get a stun on the healer. This doesn’t always work, but he who dares wins (or dies miserably).

I get really annoyed with Albs whining all the time about how gimped we are. We are gimped by ourselves and not by Mythic. We are gimped by our uber smite clerics, our rp horny/anti group minstrels, our tanks who forget everything they spent 50 levels learning, and the general Albion/Emain mentality. (ok that was a rant and I am ill so just ignore me - also I am not talking about all clerics, minstrels, or tanks)

It’s like WF said. If you put together a solid group of people who are working together, then you will be amazed at what you can do. Suggestion for Albion: if you want good rvr, then don’t go to Emain. Of course it isn’t fun to run into huge zergs and get slaughtered before you can get off one hit/spell. Maybe you get more realm points in Emain, but if you aren’t enjoying it, then what is the point? It will take awhile to change things, but if the Albs aren’t in Emain then eventually the Alb farmers won’t be there either.

 

[old.Wildfire]

If you want to talk/argue/spam about CC go here http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=35625

 

[bf_kate]

Originally posted by kinadold
When im in a group with a cleric i excpect him to heal and help
people, not to go on rampage with stun and smite. His our main
healer not our nuker.

Errr... a stun is often better than a heal. People whine about Albions lack of stun. Please don't discourage clerics from stunning.

You do all remember the famous solo stun/smite clerics ?

Is that a joke? The only high soloing stun/smite cleric that I can think of on Excalibur is Forb. Most other smite clerics I know of aren't exactly high on realm points (top 10 are mostly rejuv/balanced). Clerics were never a solo class. A leech class in a zerg, maybe, a solo class, no. We haven't actually been nerfed yet, so if it was ever possible for a cleric to solo, it still should be. Clerics weren't nerfed because they were uber in RvR, they were nerfed because they were uber in PvE and other Albions whined so much. Kinda shot themselves in the foot there.

 

[kinadold]

All realms wins fg vs fg battles, but certain combinations of
skills/classes/ra's makes the game easier for hibs/mids.

Nol if your the kind of barde who runs straight onto a enemy group and try mezz, your right. But i have seen the better bards
use their speed to manouvre behind or outflank.

Kate most clerics will have a high smite spec, and a good deal of
those will keep nuking while party is dying. All lv 50 clerics who
reroll do it because they were not healers but nukers, and with upcomming smite nerf it wont be so fun now. Also everyone knows how strong 1on1 clerics are. I think any assasins would
prefere to attack a tank than a cleric, and i often see solo clerics
out to bait assasins wearing robes to fool them.
So why is such a 'cleric' invited into parties ?
Well what choice do we have ?

Stun is a lifesaver i agree and i newer said it was wrong to stun, but when cleric follow up with smite on some tank class, instead
of healing a wizzard who are being shoot at its bad. Same as when i slam a tank trying to kill a sorc, but thats is to help
a groupmember to move away, since i dont expect to kill tank
in dration of stun.

I think they should give clerics a aestun like healers in 'nuke'
line instead of smite. Atleast modify them so its clear that if
you play a cleric your a teamplayer.

 

[old.Nol]

Nol if your the kind of barde who runs straight onto a enemy group and try mezz, your right. But i have seen the better bards
use their speed to manouvre behind or outflank.

I play 2 bards, one is Nolerdraic a 43 the other is a 50 and I will leave you guessing who it is.

A bard using their speed in contact is not playing endurance song, have you ever been in a bards shoes when they are not playing end song in contact? Let me give you an example...

/g END
/g END SONG!
/g END PLZ!
/g END END NEED END!
/g PLAY END YOU TIT!

I must be crap, because no one wants to group with me...

You the kind of bard that...oh, oh you not a bard, just an authority on how uber they are...silly me...

 

[kinadold]

Nol as being a stealther i often watch the battles from above, so
i see what works in battles and what dont.
I dont care what hibs wants you to do, but having higher speed
gives more posibilites to move around and land that mezz. That was the point.

And if you read my posts you will see that i think they are a
pretty balanced cc class this patch.

 

[Novamir]

lol @ wildfire (aka Thread Police!)

 

[old.Sepiritz]

I bet most clerics feel a bit confused and useless tho and thats why most reroll as something else or plan on respeccing to full enhance or rejuvenation. They just cant heal effectively enough with a support or smite spec.

Because frankly, to be able to heal someone in RvR you either have to use instaheals or get a heal that heals for about 500 every 2 seconds. Is that even possible? But thats whats needed to keep someone alive against ONE hib nuker, unless hes pbaoe because then you need even more.

Personally I have a cleric with 32 rejuv and he heals for 294 hp every 3 seconds with the only viable heal (the second highest heal) as far as powerusage goes. IF I use the biggest heal that heals 540 hp I spend a quarter, yes, a quarter of my power per heal. And its still 3 sec cast time.

At this time, the only viable and working RvR heal is the instaheal and insta groupheal. Though at this time, oddly enough, the pallys RA groupheal is better. Go figure. Who needs clerics anyways? Screw em.

 

[old.Wildfire]

 

[Killgorde]

Originally posted by old.Wildfire

Ever heard the expression "Flogging a dead horse" m8? Or pearls before swine?

 

[old.Odysseus]

/g END
/g END SONG!
/g END PLZ!
/g END END NEED END!
/g PLAY END YOU TIT!

I alb it goes:

/g POW
/g POWSONG!
/g POWPLZ!
/g POW POW NEED POW!
/g PLAY POW YOU TIT!

 

[bf_kate]

Originally posted by old.Sepiritz
I bet most clerics feel a bit confused and useless tho and thats why most reroll as something else or plan on respeccing to full enhance or rejuvenation. They just cant heal effectively enough with a support or smite spec.

Because frankly, to be able to heal someone in RvR you either have to use instaheals or get a heal that heals for about 500 every 2 seconds. Is that even possible? But thats whats needed to keep someone alive against ONE hib nuker, unless hes pbaoe because then you need even more.

Personally I have a cleric with 32 rejuv and he heals for 294 hp every 3 seconds with the only viable heal (the second highest heal) as far as powerusage goes. IF I use the biggest heal that heals 540 hp I spend a quarter, yes, a quarter of my power per heal. And its still 3 sec cast time.

At this time, the only viable and working RvR heal is the instaheal and insta groupheal. Though at this time, oddly enough, the pallys RA groupheal is better. Go figure. Who needs clerics anyways? Screw em.

I guess you are talking about non-rejuv clerics, but personally I don't have a problem healing. There are times, yes, when I am mezzed and a tank is stunned and nuked to death, but this becomes less and less as we get more RAs. Tanks get purge, IP, and determination and I get purge. Normally in a good fight I will use up all of my power, plus MCL2 plus both insta heals - that is alot of healing (healed Dherkova for 4k in one fight this week). I can't remember which heal I normally use, but I think it's around 300. (The cast time/efficiency of heals is being improved in our next patch. \O/ ) Who needs clerics? We do A good rvr group needs two clerics (preferably rejuv) imo.

 

[saxosergi]

1.52 zerg battle win albions

in next pacht when minstrel give instant mezz and theurgist respect to wind ( mezz ) i think zerg vs zerg change a little

 

[Eleasias]

Re: 1.52 zerg battle win albions

Originally posted by saxosergi
in next pacht when minstrel give instant mezz and theurgist respect to wind ( mezz ) i think zerg vs zerg change a little

ME IS NO ESPEASK ENGLISHJ

 

[old.Tzeentch]

holy fucking whining

 

[Arthwyr]

and we change to endurance song in contact

(sorry couldn't let it slip) You mean you have something that regenerates endurance for the entire group ... awesome (and yes I'm aware palas get it too in the coming patches) A mana regeneration buff would also be nice though.

ME IS NO ESPEASK ENGLISHJ

Bet his english is better then your spanish. Personaly I like to judge ppl over their actions and behaviour instead of the language they speak maybe you should do the same.

As for fighting, an alb group has less margin of error then a hib or mid group but its possible to beat them. Unfortunately 2 players in a group with insta mezz is painfull to say the least. I would be satisfied if alb casters got a castable stun so that we at least have a chance to break mezz on your insta classes with a stun. The cleric usualy is too busy to do it and the shield slam often misses. And as all albs now missing the first slam on a healer means zzzZZZzzzZZZ.

 

[old.Zarko]

Originally posted by old.Arnor

And yeah, ive noticed how vindictive hibs get when ppl die in gorge, we were 3 ppl there once, skald/hunter/zerker killing a few hibs, then there was like 20mins where we couldnt find any hibs and when we went to realm-keep to look there where 2fgs there, getting some more ppl, and comming out to get us

(should feel honored that they could be bothered with that just for us)

Or maybe they just died in Emain and wanted to get back?? And the 2fg getting more was just 3groups waiting for the last few groupmembers! - 3 mids/albs -non stealth, is not something 1fg cant handle...(and that goes vice versa for all realms)

 

[Spudgie]

Hit the nail right on the head with your first post Wildfire. Other than nolers 2 posts + kate's input the rest of this thread was a waste of my time to read. Looking forward to facing one of your groups soon Wildfire, at least I know we'll get a damn good scrap instead of attacking 8 individuals all blaming each other.

 

[old.Nol]

(sorry couldn't let it slip) You mean you have something that regenerates endurance for the entire group ... awesome (and yes I'm aware palas get it too in the coming patches) A mana regeneration buff would also be nice though.

and your point is?

 

[old.Sepiritz]

No Kate, what I meant is that as far as I have noticed while playing my cleric with 32 rejuv, I cant possibly heal for as much as they hit my group-friends for.
Im not the only cleric I know that has the same problem. You heal for 300hp á cast, so do I, and Ive noticed that people get hurt for almost twice that and sometimes faster then I can even cast a heal, unless I use instaheals ofcourse.
Healing helps ofcourse but alot of the time the damage output of attackers is higher then the healing you can supply. And I wont even start on what happens if two nukers focus on one guy at a time.. sheesh.
What is my point? My point is, healing at anything lower then 40 rejuv is good but not viable to save a group in heavy RvR and rejuv spec at over 40 gets boring fast (whack-a-mole?) and is not what they intended with their class-choice and that is probably why clerics tend to lean towards respec or retirement.

 

[old.Wildfire]

"I know we'll get a damn good scrap instead of attacking 8 individuals all blaming each other"

I can't promise we won't be doing that

 

[bf_kate]

With 300hp heals, stun and the occational insta I can easily keep a tank/minstrel up against 2/3 melee attackers. With casters, well they shouldn't be casting (moc is the exception). I am not talking about situations where you are totally out numbered, ofc you can't keep up then. But if the numbers are resonalbly equal, then 300hp heals should be fine. I do have huge problems keeping cloth wearers alive - I won't lie.

Rejuv spec over 40 is not boring. I have 32+14 smite, so I can play with that too, but to be honest it is more fun to watch a tank tear apart 3/4 enemy cause you are keeping him alive with stun/mez/smite/heal. I think it would be more interesting than being a tank. It was whack-a-mole in pve, but in pvp if you are just standing there healing, you aren't doing your job