mincer question

[Beck]

/dismiss

 

[Lejemorder]

Hey newb, I said 3x2 DD shouts, know what that means? It means THREE TIMES TWO DD SHOUTS. That's two DD shouts, used three times each, got it? Good. I wasn't even including stun, newb. I have actually played a minstrel, and know first hand how overpowered they are (at level 20 in thidranki I owned pretty much anything, go figure, at higher levels my little minstrel only got better) so stfu before you make stupid assumptions... as for pets... er, any muppet can twist a pet and speed song, sorry if you haven't worked out how to do so yet only charm humans and beasts? I've seen minstrels with every sort of pet under the sun, maybe Mythic are a little confused what humans and beasts are then eh? Lejenewb, I'm kitted out in 99 qual SC armour with 7 artifacts, I don't really think my armour isn't good enough.... the pet's pbae killed my friend in 2 hits so I was lucky to only get hit for 400. Can't you whining little bastards just accept that you won't be able to wtfpwn everyone and their mother now? You're supposed to be a support class, you don't see skalds running around solo killing every class they come across one on one... you have everything you could possibly want, but you always want more, so...

lol u r basing how good minstrels r on thidranki experince??? omg no wonder u think mincer wtfpwned. and yes it r not hard to charm and twist speed if u charm a yellow mob. and ofc 3x2 dd shout hur alittle that r 6 shout there hit for under 100 dmg each ;D and mincer CANT steam roll ppl as they want, most tank should win against mincers. and sigurd look at my sig... i dont play mincer so stfu bout i want to wtfpwned.

and nice pic bout u self, r u crying bout mincer to u mother?? r u just lost u lollypop??

 

[Morchaoron]

i hope they remove stealth to prevent any further gimping of the minstrels, mythics nerfs are based on the fact they are a stealther and dont give a shit about how they perform in DECENT (read: non stealther rvr) group fights...

 

[Kallisti]

i hope they remove stealth to prevent any further gimping of the minstrels, mythics nerfs are based on the fact they are a stealther and dont give a shit about how they perform in DECENT (read: non stealther rvr) group fights...

Wrong they don't...
Stealth will not be removed - Minstrels are a roge base class, rogue have stealth, Minstrels have stealth. If they removed stelath thy'd have to move the class to another template an they are not goign to rebuild a class after 2.5 years live.

Just give up with the "remove stealth from Minstrels" stuff it is NEVER going to happen- except maybe in Daoc II...

 

[Morchaoron]

Wrong they don't...
Stealth will not be removed - Minstrels are a roge base class, rogue have stealth, Minstrels have stealth. If they removed stelath thy'd have to move the class to another template an they are not goign to rebuild a class after 2.5 years live.

Just give up with the "remove stealth from Minstrels" stuff it is NEVER going to happen- except maybe in Daoc II...

I have played a minstrel for a long time and ofc i know they are not gonna change it (basically the reason i quit the game since i know they fucked up too much in this game which well never ever be fixed cuz its 'already there and implemented')

but i wouldnt mind if they would move the minstrel to the fighter class

 

[Celery]

Just because Stealth is an option doesn't mean you have to spec it. Pure group Minstrels often spec the 50 Insts 43 Weapon template.

Personally I'm a stealth Minstrel and love to use it (yes, even in Group RvR!)

Mythic won't be removing it now.

 

[Kidain]

I think the point here is that yes Mincers CAN be very very good in RvR.
If you dont think so then watch a few videos of the really really good ones.... the ones who CAN twist an orange pet whilst stunning one opponent then messing the other, placing his pet on the 3rd <healer> going back killing the stunned one, turning going and killing the healer and then finishing off the last char. 1 against 3 and he won quite easy. And yes I do have a video of this.
However I WILL say he was a damn good player and as I ve always said every class is only as good as its player...
A minstrel with the right player and IP, SOS and maybe purge is very tough if used right.
Doesnt mean he is unbeatable though.
And they shouldnt be moved or nerfed, simply the other "singing" classes should be as versatile as them. Ask a skald he would happily trade in his "superior" HPS and weapon dmg for charm, abalative, stun and mess I m sure
K.

 

[Sigurd]

lol u r basing how good minstrels r on thidranki experince??? omg no wonder u think mincer wtfpwned. and yes it r not hard to charm and twist speed if u charm a yellow mob. and ofc 3x2 dd shout hur alittle that r 6 shout there hit for under 100 dmg each ;D and mincer CANT steam roll ppl as they want, most tank should win against mincers. and sigurd look at my sig... i dont play mincer so stfu bout i want to wtfpwned.

and nice pic bout u self, r u crying bout mincer to u mother?? r u just lost u lollypop??

Grow up kid. I base my knowledge of minstrels on my level 50 character's encounters with them. Call me newb all you want, say it's down to bad equipment, but you're just grasping at straws: fact is that this class, and sorcerers, are the current FOTM ftw class that no other class can go up against and expect to win. Of course sorcs only really own if they spec pretty high in body, as it's those nukes they chaincast plus the lifedrain that really hurt. But I'm not bothered about them for the while, everyone (US servers, where the game is actually played at a current level) knows sorcs are overpowered and they'll be nerfed soon. Minstrels on the other hand... Mythic are very reluctant to nerf other stealthers after butchering the archers, then the SBs, and now the NS (either that or Albion is just Mythic's little lovechild... hmm..) so you little trigger happy banjo playing creeps, you're safe from nerfs for now AND THE NEW RAS ARE NOT NERFS AS WE ALL GET HIT BY THEM main tanks are essentially pointless now when you can have a hybrid which does 10 times the damage and still has det etc. but you don't see me complaining...

 

[Celery]

Grow up kid. I base my knowledge of minstrels on my level 50 character's encounters with them. Call me newb all you want, say it's down to bad equipment, but you're just grasping at straws: fact is that this class, and sorcerers, are the current FOTM ftw class that no other class can go up against and expect to win. Of course sorcs only really own if they spec pretty high in body, as it's those nukes they chaincast plus the lifedrain that really hurt. But I'm not bothered about them for the while, everyone (US servers, where the game is actually played at a current level) knows sorcs are overpowered and they'll be nerfed soon. Minstrels on the other hand... Mythic are very reluctant to nerf other stealthers after butchering the archers, then the SBs, and now the NS (either that or Albion is just Mythic's little lovechild... hmm..) so you little trigger happy banjo playing creeps, you're safe from nerfs for now AND THE NEW RAS ARE NOT NERFS AS WE ALL GET HIT BY THEM main tanks are essentially pointless now when you can have a hybrid which does 10 times the damage and still has det etc. but you don't see me complaining...

Oh, the irony of that last remark

 

[Sigurd]

I'm only bringing it to your attention to highlight the stupidity of your whine, kid.

 

[Celery]

I'm only bringing it to your attention to highlight the stupidity of your whine, kid.

'Kid' How patronising . . .

Your arguments hold no weight.

/dismiss

 

[Sigurd]

When you play on the US servers, you actually realize how many flaws there are with the game... you're effectively still beta testing, over here

 

[Lejemorder]

Grow up kid. I base my knowledge of minstrels on my level 50 character's encounters with them. Call me newb all you want, say it's down to bad equipment, but you're just grasping at straws: fact is that this class, and sorcerers, are the current FOTM ftw class that no other class can go up against and expect to win. Of course sorcs only really own if they spec pretty high in body, as it's those nukes they chaincast plus the lifedrain that really hurt. But I'm not bothered about them for the while, everyone (US servers, where the game is actually played at a current level) knows sorcs are overpowered and they'll be nerfed soon. Minstrels on the other hand... Mythic are very reluctant to nerf other stealthers after butchering the archers, then the SBs, and now the NS (either that or Albion is just Mythic's little lovechild... hmm..) so you little trigger happy banjo playing creeps, you're safe from nerfs for now AND THE NEW RAS ARE NOT NERFS AS WE ALL GET HIT BY THEM main tanks are essentially pointless now when you can have a hybrid which does 10 times the damage and still has det etc. but you don't see me complaining...

sorcs r only overpowered with moc else they r tank/assasian food just as all other casters, animist with moc r a bigger killer then sorcs, they got more hps, if arborial spec they get insane nukes, and got lifetab too.
and u point it u self the ra change aint nerfs, but it r not that minstrels r complaining bout, they r complaining that they get treat like stealthers and therefor they also lose very good grp abilities like ap(okay all lose it), ip and now AM even will not affect em (hurts bard and skalds just as much).

btw may i reply u??

I have actually played a minstrel, and know first hand how overpowered they are (at level 20 in thidranki I owned pretty much anything, go figure, at higher levels my little minstrel only got better) so stfu before you make stupid assumptions

yea i can c u know alot bout how insane minstrels are (minstrel own more in bgs then RvR), maybe there r very very few very good solo minstrels out there but that dosnt mean u have to nerf em, u also want thanes nerfed coz some of them can beat other tanks 1vs1?? or u want to nerf champion more coz they r insane in duels?? no u will not so why u want to nerf minstrel coz of few very skilled minstrels??

or look at it real life, if a afro makes crimes dosnt mean all afros makes crimes (if u think so u r racist)... u c my point or..??

 

[Sigurd]

Who was the first to RR10 in excalibur? And most Euro players don't know how to exploit the strengths of a minstrel to the fullest extent... worrying isn't it?

 

[Lejemorder]

Who was the first to RR10 in excalibur? And most Euro players don't know how to exploit the strengths of a minstrel to the fullest extent... worrying isn't it?

wasnt it a thane?? or was that just first in mid??
well if u every tried all that u say a good minstrel can then u will found it r fucking hard to master it good, same count for u other alb char u want nerfed, sorc, it r not hard to be a good sorc but mastering sorcs full strenght is dam hard. and i bet most US players too dont know how to use the full strength of a minstrel too

 

[Sigurd]

Yes, I've already said I know it's hard BUT it's not that hard. And it's even easier than when I used to play one... rolling a /level 20 minstrel I discovered the monster stays charmed even if it's not selected any more... now all you have to do is stick it on stay and twist your rest songs whilst you're a few feet away from it. There are other hard classes to play who don't recieve the same reward. Bards for one, I very rarely meet a good bard. However... bards can't solo to save their lives (except battlebards, and they're just a walking joke) whereas minstrels can solo, group, stealthgroup - do anything they want.

 

[Anastasia]

And it's even easier than when I used to play one... rolling a /level 20 minstrel I discovered the monster stays charmed even if it's not selected any more...

Is there any way I can filter this pillock's posts out?

 

[Sigurd]

Is there any way I can filter this pillock's posts out?

If you don't like the truth, how about you visit one of the many tabloid newspapers in our dear little world? Better still, claw your eyes out and chew your ears off, then you can live in your happy little fantasy world and frolick gaily with disfigured bunnies.

 

[Lejemorder]

Yes, I've already said I know it's hard BUT it's not that hard. And it's even easier than when I used to play one... rolling a /level 20 minstrel I discovered the monster stays charmed even if it's not selected any more... now all you have to do is stick it on stay and twist your rest songs whilst you're a few feet away from it. they want.

wrong wrong... if u want a orange pet u have to keep it target else it break charm to often.

 

[Sigurd]

wrong wrong... if u want a orange pet u have to keep it target else it break charm to often.

No, you just need a load of + instrument crap. They removed the "keep pet targetted" thing ages ago.. strangely enough, since then I've not seen a solo minstrel without a pet, whereas before I'd never seen a solo minstrel with a pet (in high level RvR)

Of course, it's possible this was introduced in 1.68 which you're yet to experience, but I doubt it - either way, minstrels these days have it a lot easier, especially with Phoebus Harp - creates an instrument that plays every type of song, making minstrels a stroll in the park to play, compared to before.

 

[Mavl]

LOL 1500 dmg in 2 secs? When my Sorc was 48 Body spec, he'd be lucky to hit for 450 in one cast (with good buffs, facing ppl with crappy resists).

If you -really- saw a Sorc do that much dmg so fast, he must have been uber-buffed, gotten real lucky with some nice crits and/or you have crap gear.

Read my lips:

It was a question to Sigurd

I know that no way in hell a sorc can do that much damage. 2 sec is not even 2 casts.



Sigurd
A lvl0 pet resisted my charm fyi.

 

[Celery]

Read my lips:

It was a question to Sigurd

I know that no way in hell a sorc can do that much damage. 2 sec is not even 2 casts.

Really ? I wasn't disputing your post, but Sigurds.

I have a level 50 Sorceror as do you, I'd have thought you'd be smart enough to realise this.

 

[Sigurd]

Try stacking + cast time items, make sure you're a saracen, and your body nukes will be hitting for faster than your victim can even think about turning and running.

 

[Lejemorder]

Try stacking + cast time items, make sure you're a saracen, and your body nukes will be hitting for faster than your victim can even think about turning and running.

cap is 1.5 sec with +25% cast speed means, 3 sec to cast 2 spells, 4,5 sec to cast 3 spells and no sorc can do 1500 dmg in 3 spell on u with max resist unless he get some awsome crit .

 

[Pin]

cap is 1.5 sec with +25% cast speed means, 3 sec to cast 2 spells, 4,5 sec to cast 3 spells and no sorc can do 1500 dmg in 3 spell on u with max resist unless he get some awsome crit .

Can get a 2.8s delve nuke down to under 1s casttime in this patch

 

[Morchaoron]

sigurd, what classes have you played anyway? since calling minstrels with pets and sorcs overpowered is defenitely a stealther thing...

if they are overpowered then dont attack them with your stealther, its your choice who you attack remember, thats what the bloody stealth is for, to avoid giving non-stealth people the choice to attack you...

there are assassins who blindly PA me while i have a pet, ofc they die then but thats their own fault, and some just spam /rude when i walk through a mg with pet, imagine how a scout must feel when he tries to kill a bd? same effect, cant be done (under normal circumstances)

solo sorcs & minstrels may pwn until they meet a fg, then its GAME OVER MAN!!! GAME OVER!!! just like the bd; solo non-stealth = teh pwn (minstrels cant catch assassins if the assassin doesnt want to, unless he is running unstealthed with autorun on while spamming "QQ INIFILS" in irc...

these damn stealthers will keep whining until they can kill every class with ease, i understand they want to balance the game for fg, zerg or stealther wars, but non-stealther vs (non-)stealther are really unimportant, and such a thing is nearly impossible to balance without fucking up the other classes in the 3 other combat types

 

[Mavl]

Really ? I wasn't disputing your post, but Sigurds.

I have a level 50 Sorceror as do you, I'd have thought you'd be smart enough to realise this.

Ok soz then ;P

I have a theu, not sorc tho

 

[fenrisan]

This is beginning to remind me of the classic Sigurd posts back on BW, please try not to take every disagreement as a personal insult mate. I've often thought of DAoC as a glorified "Rock, Paper, Sizzors" sure Minstrels have a wonderful set of tools at their disposal and therefore are a popular class but there are ways to beat them.

As has been said many times before a good player will get the most out of any class they play and whilst there are some classes that make an average player look good that is no reason to scream nerf evertime you get beaten by one. If you want to play a game where everyone starts off the same there are plenty to choose from.

In role-playing games, as the name might suggest you select a role for yourself, which for better or worse is different from everyone else, get used to it....

 

[Celery]

Ok soz then ;P

I have a theu, not sorc tho

Oh yeah, doh

Soz hehe

 

[Sigurd]

I've never played a stealther in high level RvR, I like a bit of a challenge... no, I play tanks and tanks only, latest is a BM. I'm afraid cast time does actually go over the 1.5 second cap (harder since the last patch but still possible) I've seen a bard cast like they're popping pills, and that's without dex going up every level. Sorcs have done 1500 damage to me in 2 seconds, and many others I know, so it's not just my resists (which aren't great thanks to needing a new suit of armour to comply with my artifacts, but are still fairly high..) funny thing is, every time I run solo in the gorge/OG I'll probably be attacked by a minstrel (I encounter sorcs in DF mostly) of course, people will say "why is a tank running solo" well, just occasionally I do actually need to, say, to join my friends in a keeptake, or a relic raid which started before I logged on.