mincer question

[knighthood]

k, a long while back they gave mincys a slection of the stealth line spec skills that Crit steathers use.
Ie:
safe fall
danger sense
**climb walls**
**detect hidden**
possibly distraction, cant remember..
Now i think ive seen a mincer climb a wall, not exactly sure, atm in lvl 24 so im totally buggered to test it cos i aint respeccing steath till 40, which i might not do until i get an answer from this thread..
This detect hidden, cba to check now lol, but im pretty sure it allows u a good %chance to see non crit strike stealthers <ie hunter/ranger> or does it, im not sure, and also, is mincer stealth the same power as say a scouts stealth if u both specced 38+12, or does scouts have a higher % chance of not being seen??... been wondering this.. im not NooB to the game, i just havnt really been stealthers much b4, and i aint making a mincer cos its FOTM, i just like the fact of being useful and needed in RvR with a lot of utility <previous 2 50 friars and a 44 paladin here - not exactly RvR greats, well maybe paladins r good for end chant and being mezzed ^_^ >.. anyway where was i..
Oh yeah, i wanna know if for say example.. i had 50 stealth <with items> could i easy sneak up on resting/bunched together immobile grp of mids/hibs if they didnt have a crit steather with them, and be un noticed <till the pulse> and unstealth in the middle of em, hoping thier reaction is slow enuf for me to do my AoE mezz or is this just a dream. Need to know cos mincers suck absolute balls in melee and our pets r dodgy.. thx for the time
Quarterstaff the 1st - 50 friar - deleted
Quarterstaff the 2nd - 50 friar - deleted <lol>
Knighthood - 44 Paladin - deleted <pattern emerging here>
Hummingbird -24 mincer - considering options

 

[Morchaoron]

Oh yeah, i wanna know if for say example.. i had 50 stealth <with items> could i easy sneak up on resting/bunched together immobile grp of mids/hibs if they didnt have a crit steather with them, and be un noticed <till the pulse> and unstealth in the middle of em, hoping thier reaction is slow enuf for me to do my AoE mezz or is this just a dream. Need to know cos mincers suck absolute balls in melee and our pets r dodgy.. thx for the time

sure i did it a few times, but main problem is the mez is VERY crappy (worse then a theurgs ghetto), if anyone has det it will last 3 seconds or there will always be someone who purges and mids or hibs will just insta cc you, in other words, its completely unreliable as a mez but perfect for ruining pbae boxes or removing group purge from druids (you should see how many idiot druids group purge their fg vs solo minstrels or sorcs, yes even those in the 'better' guilds "OMG MEZZED MUST SMASH BUTTON" )

 

[Ctuchik]

"OMG MEZZED MUST SMASH BUTTON"

thats not only a druid thing.. ive seen both mids and albs whack their purge just coz they got rooted or mezzed when its totally not needed...

but i think most of the time ppl dont look who is mezzing them before they press purge.. all they see is the mezz icon....

 

[Aoln]

Minstrels dont get detect hidden.

 

[Lejemorder]

mintrels get:
safe wall and climb wall but not detect hiding.
and a scouts stealth r better then minstrels stealth.
but yes u can steaktl away from fgs even with "u" low stealth (most have 30/31+11+RR).

and now we r at it, find it very very stupid that a class there wear chain, can climb wall and got safe fall, but archers dont.

 

[Sigurd]

Yes, Mythic thought minstrels were gimp at one point so gave them everything, now they're even worse than infils uke:

 

[old.windforce]

its see hidden nerf and ablative what made mincer strong. They were pretty gimp at some point

 

[knighthood]

gimpier in frontiers , wheres the good RA for us?
QQ

 

[Kami]

mintrels get:
safe wall and climb wall but not detect hiding.
and a scouts stealth r better then minstrels stealth.
but yes u can steaktl away from fgs even with "u" low stealth (most have 30/31+11+RR).

and now we r at it, find it very very stupid that a class there wear chain, can climb wall and got safe fall, but archers dont.

Minstrel stealth is exactly the same as archer stealth in terms of how hard it is for a non-stealther to see you. Minstrels tend to have lower stealth scores than archers - that may be why you think it's "scouts stealth r better".

 

[Lejemorder]

Minstrel stealth is exactly the same as archer stealth in terms of how hard it is for a non-stealther to see you. Minstrels tend to have lower stealth scores than archers - that may be why you think it's "scouts stealth r better".

hehe okay..
i even mentoid(sp?) it my self that most mincer "only" go for 30+11+RR and most archers go for 35+11+RR.

 

[Sigurd]

Because minstrels really needed more love

 

[Celery]

Because minstrels really needed more love

Do you ever actually play this game, or just QQ about Minstrels on this board ?

 

[Sigurd]

Yes, I actually play this game, do you? Ever faced a minstrel one on one? Other than sorcs, no other class is as overpowered in the game... not even savages.

 

[Celery]

Yes, I actually play this game, do you? Ever faced a minstrel one on one? Other than sorcs, no other class is as overpowered in the game... not even savages.

Of course I haven't, my main IS a Minstrel and I've been beaten many times 1v1.

Sorcs overpowered too ? Guess this must be my lucky day, I got one of those too

 

[Garok]

Yes, I actually play this game, do you? Ever faced a minstrel one on one? Other than sorcs, no other class is as overpowered in the game... not even savages.

Ever Seen a BD ?

Every seen one nicely buffed ?

And who know's how to kite and use more than one button

NOW that is overpowered

 

[Lejemorder]

over all mincers r 1 of the most balanced classes.
In FgVsFg, they had with interrupt, ablative, speed and demess, none of this thing r overpowered but gives alot of utility to a grp.
Solo they can perform very good, but can be beaten, by most melee classes, due to weak defens.
In stealth duo they r overpowered, coz of mezz and stun.
but overall mincers r not overpowered and neither gimped.

 

[Sigurd]

Of course I haven't, my main IS a Minstrel and I've been beaten many times 1v1.

Sorcs overpowered too ? Guess this must be my lucky day, I got one of those too

Funny, those are the only two classes I lose to one on one just about every time... all they need is a pbae pet etc. and they're unbeatable by a tank... seriously, there are no classes a minstrel wouldn't expect to win against, except perhaps BD but they're just one-man armies. Sorcs... they're beatable BUT if it's a saracen body sorc - I've been hit for 1500 damage in 2 seconds... that's just wrong, plus if you even get to them alive, they'll either hit MoC and spam lifedrain or sprint off and let pet finish them off. Yes, I'll admit you need some skill to play a minstrel well, it's one of the toughest classes BUT it's not that hard and the reward of being able to go up against any other class one on one and win offsets the difficulty.

 

[Kallisti]

Haha Sigurd - what class do you play?

 

[Morchaoron]

stealther most likely, sb or ns...

 

[Mavl]

... no other class is as overpowered in the game... not even savages.

erm... lol

Sorcs... they're beatable BUT if it's a saracen body sorc - I've been hit for 1500 damage in 2 seconds...

Please explain to me how a body sorc can do 1500 dmg in 2 sec, cuz i want to be an Oooober caster too ^^

 

[Celery]

erm... lol



Please explain to me how a body sorc can do 1500 dmg in 2 sec, cuz i want to be an Oooober caster too ^^

LOL 1500 dmg in 2 secs? When my Sorc was 48 Body spec, he'd be lucky to hit for 450 in one cast (with good buffs, facing ppl with crappy resists).

If you -really- saw a Sorc do that much dmg so fast, he must have been uber-buffed, gotten real lucky with some nice crits and/or you have crap gear.

 

[Lejemorder]

Funny, those are the only two classes I lose to one on one just about every time... all they need is a pbae pet etc. and they're unbeatable by a tank... seriously, there are no classes a minstrel wouldn't expect to win against, except perhaps BD but they're just one-man armies. Sorcs... they're beatable BUT if it's a saracen body sorc - I've been hit for 1500 damage in 2 seconds... that's just wrong, plus if you even get to them alive, they'll either hit MoC and spam lifedrain or sprint off and let pet finish them off. Yes, I'll admit you need some skill to play a minstrel well, it's one of the toughest classes BUT it's not that hard and the reward of being able to go up against any other class one on one and win offsets the difficulty.

please stop posting crap....
mincers lose to most tanks 1vs1 unless they use both IP, AP and purge, but then he need to be RR7L2.
and 1500 dmg in 2 sec??? an enchanter can do that too, a runemaster can do that too and wizzy can do that too if they get 2 very good crits.

Sigurd i doubt u ever faced a mincer and just post crap coz u saying crap.
My old friar in epic with rogs items could beat mincers (was RR3L6 then i deleted).

 

[Sigurd]

People just don't know how to play their classes here. Look how many RR10s there are on the Euro servers compared to the US servers... sadly lacking. Call me gimp all you want - I tear apart buffed infils, but not minstrels, go figure, morons.

 

[Oldleaf]

Yes, I actually play this game, do you? Ever faced a minstrel one on one? Other than sorcs, no other class is as overpowered in the game... not even savages.

Mincers arent overpowered, average melee, nice shouts but it doesnt compensate 1vs1 in a duel against a melee class, area mezz is worthless, Mezzing is usefull but it takes 3 seconds to cast (do you know how long 3 second is in rvr?) Dispel, pretty useless if you are allready being mezzed, stealth, every Shadowblade or Nightshade can see you miles away and chain doesnt help much against that, climb walls, yes i can take a orange con archer woot!, speed, one hit or cast and i can only press sprint like everyone else (if i want to escape offcourse) 3 instruments but only 2 slots, try to change them in a big battle and you know what i mean, absorb melee buffer, nice if an enemy hits you for 40 damage lesser each hit, charming pets, hard to control and lots of resists. So Mincers arent overpowered they have abit of anything what makes this class funny to play, but they are a support class and offcourse it is the player who can make the Mincer strong, but it has nothing to do with overpowered.

 

[Sigurd]

You underestimate the DDs... 3x2 DD shouts really does hurt... you also forgot charmed pets - minstrels have the ability to charm orange pbae pets which hit for 400 damage... as for melee, with the help of DDs I remember drawing agro from twisting pallys with my minstrel, and that was before they got all the love.

 

[Morchaoron]

they are strong solo yes but in groups its nothing special... especially with IP removed

(and i know i played a group minstrel)

same with sorcs...


and as for pets... its like the BD... you are visible and very tough but cant stealth with a pet neither can you quickly remove it when some fg comes in view, i can imagine people whining about minstrels having stealth but why whine about pets???


and for the smartasses here, you actually CAN stealth with a pet if you do it right, but the pet itself cant and it looks as suspicious as one of these hunter pets walking really slowly through emain...

but once the pet is hit/attacks you cant stealth anymore...

 

[Lejemorder]

You underestimate the DDs... 3x2 DD shouts really does hurt... you also forgot charmed pets - minstrels have the ability to charm orange pbae pets which hit for 400 damage... as for melee, with the help of DDs I remember drawing agro from twisting pallys with my minstrel, and that was before they got all the love.

if u get hit for 400 dmg by an orange mob u should get a better armor
and if u can take agro with u DDs away from a paladin runing health chant and using amyslash, u most have some really nice crits or the pala just sucked.

ohh and why does u keep argueing(sp?) when everybody seems to disagree with u

 

[knighthood]

Because minstrels really needed more love

why dont u FO and try playing a mincer sigurd b4 u keep saying that, they r nowhere near as friggin overpowered as u think, we have a shitload of utility yes m8, but that utility is shit unless its effective, our dds dont hit very hard, our flute mezz takes a few seconds to cast, our aoe mezz is pbaoe range, slow and shit, if we spec stealth our wep skill which is ona pathetic dmg table anyway sucks even more, and like i said, and like someone else pointed out, our RA suck soon. And as for eveyone keep talking about thanes being gimped, i hardly think so, i see thanes kill a lot and afaik thane is one of the top RP holder classes in the game. Go back to your 20% melee bonus now safe in the knowlege alb r still too scared to get em back cos of the servers lol QQ

 

[knighthood]

You underestimate the DDs... 3x2 DD shouts really does hurt... you also forgot charmed pets - minstrels have the ability to charm orange pbae pets which hit for 400 damage... as for melee, with the help of DDs I remember drawing agro from twisting pallys with my minstrel, and that was before they got all the love.

wrong again sigurd, its 2 DD shouts the third that hits u is a stun thankyou, a stun that cant stun u again for about a minute, orange pet, hahah the only way to keep an orange pet from breaking charm and attacking its owner is to keep the pet targetted and double click charm on it to keep the pulse going, which is sooo grt cos we can target so many mids when we have a pet targetted <btw mincers dont bother with pets in RvR and we can ONLY charm humans and beasts> and as for the pulling pally agro off, yeah ive done that but that was the pallys fault not yours cos he obviously hadnt got a clue how to hold aggro or u attacked it b4 he had built up enuf

 

[Sigurd]

wrong again sigurd, its 2 DD shouts the third that hits u is a stun thankyou, a stun that cant stun u again for about a minute, orange pet, hahah the only way to keep an orange pet from breaking charm and attacking its owner is to keep the pet targetted and double click charm on it to keep the pulse going, which is sooo grt cos we can target so many mids when we have a pet targetted <btw mincers dont bother with pets in RvR and we can ONLY charm humans and beasts> and as for the pulling pally agro off, yeah ive done that but that was the pallys fault not yours cos he obviously hadnt got a clue how to hold aggro or u attacked it b4 he had built up enuf

Hey newb, I said 3x2 DD shouts, know what that means? It means THREE TIMES TWO DD SHOUTS. That's two DD shouts, used three times each, got it? Good. I wasn't even including stun, newb. I have actually played a minstrel, and know first hand how overpowered they are (at level 20 in thidranki I owned pretty much anything, go figure, at higher levels my little minstrel only got better) so stfu before you make stupid assumptions... as for pets... er, any muppet can twist a pet and speed song, sorry if you haven't worked out how to do so yet only charm humans and beasts? I've seen minstrels with every sort of pet under the sun, maybe Mythic are a little confused what humans and beasts are then eh? Lejenewb, I'm kitted out in 99 qual SC armour with 7 artifacts, I don't really think my armour isn't good enough.... the pet's pbae killed my friend in 2 hits so I was lucky to only get hit for 400. Can't you whining little bastards just accept that you won't be able to wtfpwn everyone and their mother now? You're supposed to be a support class, you don't see skalds running around solo killing every class they come across one on one... you have everything you could possibly want, but you always want more, so...