Midgard Dying?

[Grandpeck]

I been playing mid since release and i will stay mid till game is dead.As i see it the main problem atm with this game is...

1.Buffbots (ruin ANY class balancing that mythic does)

2.Population on servers which favour one realm vastly over another.But that cant really be fixed unless u give /lev 30 command but that might not help much either.

3.Spying and use of 2ndary progs ie IRC etc.Several Mid RR have been "leaked" via irc and with so many ppl all logged inside thier relic keeps its nigh on impossible to take a relic now.

4.People not interesting in playing the game now but just wanting to pwn everything in sight.

5.Mythic themselves for not listening to the right ppl.

6.Mythic employing some downright bias ppl to TL some of the game chars for example how the hell can the TL of infil use 2 buffbots and have any clue wtf he is talking about ffs unless hes a stupid mofo he aint gonna loose.Just as they get a hib player to TL a thane ffs.

7.Fear of faliure,i cant think the amount of times ive gone out with a group of ppl to die and ppl leave after first defeat.


Fact is mid isnt exactly dying,but its slowly loosing a lot of old players due to the fact that many of them just feel let down by mythic.

Oh and savages arent exactly loved by all mids fyi a helluva lot stand at mtk's shouting LFG to have it fall on deaf ears.

 

[m4rk]

serves you right phixion (m4rk) for leaving the fair realm of albion for Easy Mode

lol Fedaykin, Albion IS easy mode, they zerg like n00bs

 

[old.Filip]

Mids are doing fine..

scroll down a bit and find average rps pr week pr char..

worldwide rps stats

 

[old.FIN]

Hio Filip , sup u old fart =)

 

[Mavl]

Originally posted by m4rk
lol Fedaykin, Albion IS easy mode, they zerg like n00bs

thats a noobish thing to say in the first place tbh

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by old.Emma

Yes morale is low, and i cant blame it when the best class's mid has gets nurfed.

Classes get nerfed because everyone rolls them wanting to be l33t. No sympathy...

And in case you havent managed to work it out yet, daoc is all about swings and roundabouts. A class that is overpowered sees all the l33t brigade rolling them, so it gets nerfed. Those classes that are underpowered get boosted, and this gets more people rolling them. If its boosted so much it becomes overpowered then too many people roll them and it gets nerfed. What's amusing is that midgard had bezerkers and sbs that were overpowered, and because you all wanted to pwn you rolled them and then act horrified when they get nerfed. Now you're all rolling savages... Well we tried to warn you but you didn't listen, and the nerf bat will come. Then no doubt we'll have folks like you coming on here and whining how hard done by midgard is. Its all a bit pathetic really.

 

[xajorkith]

I too think Midgard is falling away:

1) Two failed Mid Relic Raids sunk moral. One raid was talked about on IRC by an Alb (cheating in my book) before the raid even started
2) Albs using poor tactics to take relics and bragging on BW how l33t they were did a lot of harm.
3) The Emain guilds have got Emain Macha syndrome, and are not as prevalent anymore (e.g. Nolby Pride, Red Guard, Black Company.)
4) People want to play when they want, with who they want and not be bothered with random people. Those random people get bored and leave.
5) SM groups in Malmohus has killed off the old power levelling options for those without Buffbots, those peeps then left.
6) Midgard has no leader, Ardamels has gone and no one has taken up his position.
7) Roleplayers are getting less and less, so Midgard keep takes and Relic Raid attempts decline so more role players leave ...
8) Mid has little to look forward to class wise, Alb whining about Savages will get them nerfed, yet the Infiltrator and Minstrel plod on uber as ever. There are two times the level 50 Infiltrators than there are Savages, on Excalibur Mid you are as likely to meet a level 50 Thane as you are a level 50 Savage, yet Albs whine and whine.....
9) Guilds are breaking up, Midgard now has almost as many guilds as Albion, and this has made organising big events such as Relic Raids much harder.
10) Alb zergs have caused a lot of mids to either leave or roll a stealther.
11) Albs huge loving by Mythic of their Stealther classes has caused many Mid stealthers to leave.

Most of the above can be solved easily, by having a strong leader and by the smaller guilds disbanding and joining larger guilds.

 

[bracken_woodman]

Originally posted by xajorkith

8) Mid has little to look forward to class wise, Alb whining about Savages will get them nerfed, yet the Infiltrator and Minstrel plod on uber as ever. There are two times the level 50 Infiltrators than there are Savages, on Excalibur Mid you are as likely to meet a level 50 Thane as you are a level 50 Savage, yet Albs whine and whine.....

No. Savages will be nerfed because 1) They are overpowered 2) Everyone rolled them. No other reasons.

As for the number of infis...well you can be sure they will get their turn too.

So stop talking nonsense

 

[Grandpeck]

Posted by bracken_woodman

Then no doubt we'll have folks like you coming on here and whining how hard done by midgard is. Its all a bit pathetic really.

Have u ever played Mid excali Bracken ? Do u know the sheer amount of changes they have made to mid over the past 2 years ? Do u know how the ppl are feeling on mid ? No u most probably dont.

So be4 u say stupid things like the above just believe what some ppl tell u, instead of having your head firmly stuck in Albland even when u are "out" of the game.

Not everyone comes here to whine and moan some of us are old players that have seen these many changes to the game in the past 2 years and yet still stuck with mid unlike many others that constantly jump to other realms.As it stands mid is at its lowest ive ever known it to be.

My hat goes off to those albs that actually run 1-2fg and win,not those just relying on the zerg to boost thier rps a farty amount at a time then thinking they are all special cus they mowed down a piffling amount of enemies with 3-4fg+

Yes we know savages are overpowered,but this is a direct result of them being so rediculusly overbuffed by personal buffbots,its the same for many chars.But dont blame the ppl that play them blame mythic for not realising that with buffbots in such widespread use any class balancing just goes out of the window.

Can someone enlighten me how a savage hits the quad/triple hit combos is it off a evade or summit ?

 

[xajorkith]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
No. Savages will be nerfed because 1) They are overpowered 2) Everyone rolled them. No other reasons.

As for the number of infis...well you can be sure they will get their turn too.

So stop talking nonsense

Did you not read my post? Everyone did not roll them (I didn't), there are not that many Savages on Excal Mid. Don't take my word for it look it up on any stats page.

The (level 50) Savage is the 4th least popular char on Mid Excal, it's almost as popular as the Thane.

http://daoc-stats.com/class_stats.php?server=Excalibur&realm=Midgard&sort=level_50

I never talk nonsense

 

[Ravenbourne]

Mids are too busy crying about the loss of their +20% and the inc savage nerf, they dont like the fact that they will actually have to start using skill to win

 

[xajorkith]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne
Mids are too busy crying about the loss of their +20% and the inc savage nerf, they dont like the fact that they will actually have to start using skill to win

CBA....

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Classes get nerfed because everyone rolls them wanting to be l33t. No sympathy...

Well then about fucking time some alb classes I know of gets nerfed then...

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
And in case you havent managed to work it out yet, daoc is all about swings and roundabouts. A class that is overpowered sees all the l33t brigade rolling them, so it gets nerfed. Those classes that are underpowered get boosted, and this gets more people rolling them. If its boosted so much it becomes overpowered then too many people roll them and it gets nerfed. What's amusing is that midgard had bezerkers and sbs that were overpowered, and because you all wanted to pwn you rolled them and then act horrified when they get nerfed.

Many of us rolled SB and Zerkers long before there was even talk about being overpowered. Those chars were rolled, like my SB, based on something else than wanting to pwn. I rolled mine, cuz I thougth beeing an assassin could be fun. I did not have a clue about what the char would be like in RvR later. Those that leave are not the FotM, they just move different class or realm. The sad fact is that many oldtimers have left, or is leaving the game, cuz of endless nerfs to their chars. Yes, SB and Zerkers were perhaps a little to much, but still the nerf was way over the top.

Originally posted by bracken_woodman
Now you're all rolling savages... Well we tried to warn you but you didn't listen, and the nerf bat will come. Then no doubt we'll have folks like you coming on here and whining how hard done by midgard is. Its all a bit pathetic really.

This is a myth. Other than the hardcore RvR guilds few have rerolled a Savage. Atm Savages does more dmg than Zerkers, thus those that want to be the best at what they do will go whatever road to get what is "best".

Midgard should have the thoughest melee class, thus we don't have the RA's that both Albion and Hibernia have. RA's that easily could be translated to "I-win-button", somthing you probaly fail to see. I would like to remind you that there are 8 peeps in a grp and as far as I know there are 2 Savages in a grp if you want the "best" setup. I Find it hard to belive that those 2 Savages alone is what makes the grp "outstanding". Switch to 2 zerkers and the preformance of the grp would not change "dramaticly". La and Vng seem to have little problem handling mid grps, and so does some of the hardcore Albion guilds, so I fail to see the problem

Put a savage in a picjup grp and they still die facing guilds like Vng and La. Put a Savage in guildgrp of JH, NP and BC, and your in for a hard figth. What does this tell you? It's not the classes, its the ppl behind the chars that do the job and the rutine from many hours of playing together. The same goes for the enchanter, a grossly overpowered class.

 

[tonita]

OMG there are almost as many infs as there are wizards in alb excal!

 

[Eof]

Originally posted by Runolaz
Yes, SB and Zerkers were perhaps a little to much, but still the nerf was way over the top.
Put a savage in a picjup grp and they still die facing guilds like Vng and La. Put a Savage in guildgrp of JH, NP and BC, and your in for a hard figth. What does this tell you? It's not the classes, its the ppl behind the chars that do the job and the rutine from many hours of playing together.

So nerfing only affects those ppl without skills who dont play a class with commitment but because it is overpowered, therefore nerfing is a good thing

 

[old.Ramas]

Originally posted by m4rk
Is Midgard dying? You cannot find XP groups anymore, you cannot find RvR groups anymore (except the few guild groups).

Is it the game or just Mid...?

It's not just Mid, the same is true in all realms. To reach the mid forties now you multi-box for PL/buff-bots, you get your guild to PL you, or you solo. There are no other options.

Nor, incidentally are there any other options in any other MMOG once it becomes more than about a year old if the game prevents low level players contributing at all in predominately high level groups.

Because developers of these things do not seem to realise that after about half a year, most of your players will either have a high level character or will have quit.

 

[Grandpeck]

Originally posted by Ravenbourne

Mids are too busy crying about the loss of their +20% and the inc savage nerf, they dont like the fact that they will actually have to start using skill to win

Most mids dont give a damn about relics and the savage "fix" will be seen as a only right by many.

The fact is that every rr attempt we have made since we lost them to albs has been leaked in one way or another and its pissed a lot of ppl off not surprizingly.

I cant beleive u still going on about the way u took relics how the feck did u expect to fail with the amount of ppl and stealthers u had ? Fork me i'd be happy if mids could get half the ammount for a rr.

I for one look forward to when all realms cant have chars logged inside keeps.But will that make such a difference with so much info passing via irc and population difference ?

Most mids want to have decent fights versus u albs and hibs but its fucked up by certain ppl with no regards to "fairplay" etc.

 

[Sichama]

Besides seeing right and wrong in every post, in the sense that practically everyone is totaly biased in his views, i want to contribute saying something diferent.

I have seen many say how old timers leave the game, and i ask is that strange? no, the longer someone playes the game the closer he comes to quiting it one day, so....
...what do the rest of the experienced players do to help new players learn the game and become a vital part of their realm?

The /level command isn't helping at all because now the only players that are lower than 20 for example are the new players that do not have the benefit of grouping with experienced players. By the time they reach 20 they don't really have a good understanding of the game yet, because no one has explained important things, and if anyone relies on the fucking manual he is sure to have totaly wrong knowledge of the game and do everything wrong.

Experienced players are absolutely non tolerant towards new players that although managed to level to 20 or 30, when they start grouping with experienced players and they start doing simple but important mistakes again no one gets into the trouble of schooling them but the just dispand and leave them. "Old" and "experienced" players seem to forget how it was when they first started and it seems they where born level 50 and RR7, i urge you to remember how you felt the first time you played and remeber how even hitting 20 or 30 or 40 was important for you and that when the lvl 50 came it was magic, it is still the same for the new players despite the fact that you can probably pl one now in a week or so.

Is it a big surprise then, that alot of them, will just quit after a while of trying to fit in and learn, but no one is helping them, others will get so acustomed to soloing that they will turn to a solo friendly character (stealther) as soon as they find out about it?

So has anyone ever stoped and consider how he contributes in the well beeing of his realm? and not blame everything on Zergs, Inf's, Buffbots, Albs, Mids, Savages, Mythic or GoA or any other feature he dislikes, sure everything might contribute to the problem but despite all these problems, every time some experienced players rejects a new player in PvE or RvR because he cba losing time with a n00b or because he is to l33t and thus can only group with other l33t people he also contributes into the problem we are discussing here.

When i started the help i got from other players and the general friendliness of the community was the only reason i stuck to the game, today i have seen this is not the case anymore, between the /level command and top eficiency power leveling and the l33t attidute that has become even more common new players have become less and less welcome and just don't stick to the game.

Losing old players is normal and healthy but not gaining new players is not, and although it is mainly Mythic's/GoA's problem financialy it is also our problem in the end because we can not play a multiplayer game alone or with only the same 10 ppl constantly.

 

[beehappy]

"old times...
weed was highest
girls was more blondest
stars was more brightnest
...
and Daoc was more intresting."


Hum, if u begin thinking like that -> u getting realy older
Everything in that world have beginning->processing->ending.
And only good rebuild can help don't reach "ending".

About Mids - think all will be allright.

Many leaders left, many guilds disbanded, many changes happened - but game still going.

 

[Grandpeck]

Originally posted by Sichama

I have seen many say how old timers leave the game, and i ask is that strange? no, the longer someone playes the game the closer he comes to quiting it one day, so....
...what do the rest of the experienced players do to help new players learn the game and become a vital part of their realm?

Well thats not true for all people who reach level 50.

Experienced players are absolutely non tolerant towards new players that although managed to level to 20 or 30, when they start grouping with experienced players and they start doing simple but important mistakes again no one gets into the trouble of schooling them but the just dispand and leave them.

Not everyone has the patience but some ppl do you know what I did last night on daoc ?

I walked round ager for 2 hours helping ppl starting from lev 1 xp with some simple damage adds/damage sheilds/frigs.Explaining to someone how to set up his quickbars/explaining about shft+i information weap styles etc.If only more ppl take some time out and help the lower levs more it might just make a difference.

Not everyone on this sever is an a-hole or wants to be "leet" Im sure there are many people on all 3 realms that could be classed as helpful/friendly but we seem to few and far between but making whatever small difference we can make to those few "new" players that start playing daoc.

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Eof
So nerfing only affects those ppl without skills who dont play a class with commitment but because it is overpowered, therefore nerfing is a good thing

Go reread - that is not what I said, and frankly I don't even no how you managed to pull that idea out. Anyway it's not possible to play daoc without commitment. Some play 24/7 and some play a much less, but we still need them all to get this game going or else it will die. There are 8 charcter slots, so you want to have a ligth tank, but not many reach 50 and even fewer actuallly see active RvR life.

My point is that it's not the Savage that make grp like NP hard, it the players behind them and not to forget the teamwork. Instead of crying for nerfs after you get steamrolled by them, how about accepting that they are skilled. If I make a guild grp I accept that if we encounter LA or Vng we will most likely die. I surtainly don't cry for nerfs of the enchanter, even though compared to other realms mages they are at least as overpovered as Savages are vs Merc/BM.

I think that just about every Mid I know of accept that the current Savage is a bit out of line compared to Merc/BM, but then again we don't have enchanters or uber RA's so we more or less say - okey we need somthing too. Healers and light tanks are the strength of Midgard, it is what makes us different, thus they should be better than our counterpart. Atm Savages needed a toning down and zerkesr and Sb needs a buff. Thanes. like Champion needs to get that f0cking determination to be able to get RvR grps. What Mythic have done to the Thane is prime examle of what not to do.

 

[Eof]

Actually your reply said zerks in good guild groups still play well despite nerfs and some savages suck despite the fact that atm they are an overpowered class. My answer was tongue in cheek whihc may have been beyond you but it has always been and always will be my belief the player counts more than the class. A skillful player will do well with a gimped class a child who wants to wtfpwn will whine constantly about everything no matter what they play and whine even harder when the nerfbat comes

 

[Lumikki]

It's the f*'ked up attitude of Midgard that's killing the realm. And concerning PvE, it's dead. Wouldn't even dream about exping another char to 50 there.

That's why i'm having fun in Hibernia, grouping is quite easy (yes I know bard, chanter). Before that I played in Albion and grouping there wasn't hard at all with my Merc.

So yes, Midgard is dead.

xx

 

[Hygelac]

Originally posted by xajorkith
I too think Midgard is falling away:
*snip*

Sounds like a succinct sumation. I've been playing for almost 2 years now and I've not seen Mid so wretched as it is currently.


-Hygelac Modissen
Infrequent Zerk