Middle east

[Furr]

Ok. After watching the news for the last few weeks I can say that the sympathy I did have for the Israelis has now completely gone.

From all the reports it seems that the Israelis have gone one step to far in Jenin killing hundreds and destroying the place, with their offensive against the 'Palestinian terrorists'.

I now think that its time that the world stop being afraid of dealing with Israel because they have now gone out of control.

Colin Powel’s visit did squat, and the Americans don’t seem to realise that it’s their own weapons being used against the civilian population. Yes I know that the Jewish lobby in America is powerful, but maybe bush should do a Thatcherism style restructuring. Or the UN, which is meant to deal with problems like these, should assert its power and send a force over there to try to mediate between the two.

This continuing action is also threatening the economies of the west. With Arab states getting more and more angry.
Also with most European countries having a substantial Arab population. It seems folly to let this continuing crisis go one. Its obvious that’s the Israelis and Palestinians are incapable of sorting out their problems with each other. They should now, I’m afraid to say, Be forced to live with each other.

right thats my two cents,

 

[Stazbumpa]

I blame Arafat personally. Every time the Israeli's and Palestinians have come close to a deal he has backed out at the last minute and refused to sign up to it. The issue of land has been squabbled over time and again, the Israeli's sort a deal to give it back to the Palestinians and hey presto, fuck wit features ball's it all up.

The main reason that the shit has hit the fan though, is that Arafat is completely inneffective as a leader, and he cannot control his own people. Suicide bombers are a weekly occurence thanks to his wise and inspired actions on the world stage (/sarcasm) and everyone forgets that the Israeli's are a bunch of people that know what annihilation means.

The last time they had this problem of people wanting them dead was around 1939 ish, and while I don't agree with absolutely everything they're doing, I don't bloody blame them for doing it either.

 

[Scouse]

with their offensive against the 'Palestinian terrorists'.

Not taking the Israeli's side - but the "Palestinian terrorists" you cynically mention are just that - terrorists.

Or do you think that strapping dynamite to yourself and walking into a busy crowd of unarmed, defenceless civilians before blowing yourself up is a legitamate way of waging war?

 

[throdgrain]

All said is true, I cant help sympathising with the Israili's for suffering the terrorism, but also I feel for the Palistinians having thier houses blown up ! The trouble is, you cant reason with people who are prepared to strap bombs to themselves. Or crash planes into buildings.
I imagine if we'd sent tanks into Belfast in the seventies it wouldnt have helped much.
And before any bright spark says we did, I dont think its quite the same thing , do you ?

 

[mr.Blacky]

lets just say they deserve each other, the way they are going on.

 

[Furr]

Well i suppose i should have made that point more defined, yes i suppose since they began this campaign the suicide bombing have virtually stopped. But after they have left, there are going to be lots of angry palestinians who in the great cycle of things will also become suicide bombers. And yes Arafat is a complete waste of time.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Well, withstanding the fact that Arafat has a nobel peace prize, i'd say you cna't blame him for failing to stop the suicide bombings. When supposedly ordinary people are blowing themselves up, how cna you stop them?

I think the only real solution, is to look at why they are bombing, and to me that's clear: The Isrealis are illegally occupying the Palestinean land! I honestly believe that if Isreal completely left the WestBank and Gaza Strip, got rid of all the settlements they've built there, and a Palestinean state was setup, the suicide bombings would stop.

I'm sure you'd have some extremists, however Isreal having proper boarders would make it far easier to stop a far smaller number of far more distinguishable people - In other words, you'd only have the very extreme of the extremists.

I really can't see any justification of Isreal's illegal occupation of the Palestinean land...

 

[Furr]

I suppose this is all the UN's fault in the first place for taking away the palestinians land.

 

[Munkey-]

its getting scary where i live. flag burning, organised rally. american school is surrounded with guards with styer augs and shotguns

 

[Scouse]

ShockingAlberto - you've just demonstrated the most shocking lack of understanding of the situation.

If it was that easy don't you think they'd have already done it???

 

[ShockingAlberto]

No - 'cus the Isrealis want a state the same as what their religion proclaims they should have

 

[L_Plates]

The thing is with all this middle east stuff is we try and help and usually get the blame for the outcome... Look at the dutch this week .


The dutch cabinet resigned over a argument about a situation in serbia a few years back..

The dutch said to refugees they have set up a safe zone and said to the refugees you will be safe here. So in pile the refugees in the thousands. Unfortunately the dutch army was overun by enemy forces and alot of refugees was slaughtered so now some (MOST) of the surviving refugees are trying to sue the dutch for not saving there ass!

How is this teh right thing to do a country puts its own forces in the line of danger for ppl who have nothing to do with them .. I dont disagree with this as thats what the UN is all about BUT .. what kind of nasty race would decide to try and sue a country for helping but unluckily failing .. they still tryed but they must remember they didnt have to ...


As said in the bible .. The 12 tribes of israel will never make pice so in my eyes are we wasting our time ?

 

[bodhi]

If Hitler has finished his job we wouldn't have this problem today.







Food for thought.

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Bodhi
If Hitler has finished his job we wouldn't have this problem today.







Food for thought.

If hitler finished his job id be a german ... now im glad he never!

 

[*Kornholio*]

A bit harsh Bodhi... I fly into Isreal on monday... then straight across the border into Jordan for a week... then back through Isreal...

 

[Embattle]

 

[Daffeh]

Originally posted by Bodhi
If Hitler has finished his job we wouldn't have this problem today.







Food for thought.

he makes a good point

 

[L_Plates]

Originally posted by Daf


he makes a good point

In what way is hitler taking over the world which is what he was after a good point!

We would be worse off i think .. but what do you think ?

 

[Munkey-]

BUT TEH FAT LADY WOULD MAKE THE BUSES ON TIME!


(obscure comedy program refrence)

 

[L_Plates]

/me slaps forhead .... MUNKEY

 

[xenon2000]

I loathe anything political and refuse to enter this discussion.

d'oh...

 

[S-Gray]

aye the same cant be arsed joinin in sometiems

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Originally posted by Bodhi
If Hitler has finished his job we wouldn't have this problem today.







Food for thought.

Oh well, it's not a total loss. The Isrealis saw where Hitler went wrong, and are now pursuing a similar plan with the Palestineans, and won't be making the same mistakes.

(Above statement was a mixture of sarcasm and disgust).

 

[old.Jas]

Theres an easy solution to this issue - and many of the troublespots around the world

Give then a fortnight to stop fighting over thier pathetic religous shite - or we nuke them

Problem solved if they do it or not

 

[L_Plates]

Well what about leave them to killing each other and spare our own ppl's lives.. its not our business if they want to blow each other up fuck em there mad ... lets sit back and watch the mess they cause they aint gonna take us on are they !

 

[old.Jas]

I can't be assed to watch it on the news all the time, not when there is this stuff to cover

 

[abovethesystem]

What makes me angry is in all this stuff on the news, no-one has once mentioned the fact that Israel is a state born on foundations of terrorism.

Britain was forced to hand palestine to the US dominated UN after they could not cope with the jewish terrorism any more. After the jewish terrorists had forced the british out, the US pushed for the creation of Israel, the jewish homeland, taking land away from the palestinians. The US government was taken to this decision by the power of rich jews in the country.

A short time later Israel invaded the surrounding palestine and arab countries with shiny new US weapons. britain kinda helped the Israelis since we wanted the suez canal back. We got a smack on our hands and the UN let Israel keep much of palestine that it has taken because the US let them.

This is why the US is hated so much by the arab world.

As for Israel, they are the terrorists, the palestinians have been trying to fight for their homeland ever since.

That's not completely accurate but that's what i know from my a-level history classes recently.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

You are correct to some extent, allthough whether the 1948 war was started by Isreal - Facts say that the arabs started it, however i think that it was inevitable, and was the fault of the past 40years events, and not an actual state.

However history is irrelevant - Today we have the Palestineans effectively being Isreali citizens, in palestinena land that is effectively now part of Isreal. The problem? Well, firstly the Palestienans don't want to be part of Isreal, but more importantly, the Palestineans are veru much 2nd class citizens, with almost no rights.

 

[abovethesystem]

Both sides were and still are saying it was the other one that did it first, what is sure is this sux big time.

If we were used as punch bags effectively, by another people, I think we'd react the same way as the palestinians. Many of them feel so strongly that their lives aren't worth living even, that's why they willingly blow themselves up.

Israel has alot to answer for; at its roots this is all down to the religious selfishness of the zionist jews. Just because they were targeted by hitler for extermination it doesn't make displacing ansd mistreating a whole state of people right.

 

[L_Plates]

:| Religion is a killer and thats why they are blowing them selves up .. why is religion such a huge part of arab nation ppl's lives ?