Middie cheats

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
Thanks Chodax but sorry i was way past 40 when this bow was first seen (ie the last patch)

Gray con bows do not alot of damage to Orange con mobs post 40 and i defy anyone to level up with a low hitting bow against orange con mobs post 40.
Perhaps it works for you at your level but not for me thanks all the same for being concerned.

Fair enough Del, first let me say you are the first to even try give a reason explaination and not just resort to shitty n00b comments for which you have my respect.

The reason you were one of the people who I got angry with is this, a few Albions had reported that you had been able to one-shot kill them on a number of occasions, then you managed to take me down with one shot at Bledmyr even though I was buffed to 700hp and had 10sec bladeturn running. I know bladeturn can be peirced but I was very dubious as you are only a few levels above me and the arrow hit for almost 700dmg which really shocked me. I am not saying that is impossible so I will give you the respect you deserve unless someone proves otherwise.

Secondly I am not accusing Cruz of cheating, I was just angry at his attitude in this whole topic which suprised me after finding him to be very honourable during battles in Odin's gate.

The reason I am not naming the people I belive have used exploits against me personally is because as you rightly say that I have no hard evidence, the chat.log and screenshots are practically useless making it almost impossible to prove, add to that the fact we have no ingame CSR's unlike the US servers to monitor players and it pointless to try to prove anything as far as GOA is concerned.

 

[svar]

Originally posted by Solid
Note on Thane PB AoE

Low damage, and yes I used them in the raid to retake Bledmeer on Sunday. Why? Because the doors have a 1 foot gap at the bottom and my Thane PB AoE is a Thunder sBellow, and emerges from the ground, non targeted just does an AE damage, so in the context of the game and keep doors, its NOT a BUG or an Ecploit, to me it seems perfectly reasonable.

ATM I dont give a monkeys about u guys Using you AE Spells on the doors as it should have been fixed, in fact, I cannot cast any spells if I target keep doors, so I dont see why you guys should be able to.

We dont. We are talking about PBAOE here, just like yours. No need to explain to us, explain it to your realm-mates who call it cheating and justify the use of bugged bows with it.

 

[old.Del-Unger]

Uncensored Picture of SFxman's Igloo obtained by my Albion Spy

Seems our resisdent flamer has been spotted close to his newly constructed Igloo in the Albion Frontiers reportedly close to a relic keep

http://www.grandshelters.com/images/boy-scouts-1-s2.jpg


Regards

 

[Solid]

Can;t u do better than that Del?

We need Enger to come do his Photoshop magic on it and add some Albionses inside.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
Uncensored Picture of SFxman's Igloo obtained by my Albion Spy

Seems our resisdent flamer has been spotted close to his newly constructed Igloo in the Albion Frontiers reportedly close to a relic keep

http://www.grandshelters.com/images/boy-scouts-1-s2.jpg


Regards

Hehe, this is true. Little igloos have started popping up all around the entrance to Snowdonia fortress since this is the only place we poor Albions get any snow, just like you white assed Middies go to Emain for a little sun and sangria

 

[old.Del-Unger]

The reason you were one of the people who I got angry with is this, a few Albions had reported that you had been able to one-shot kill them on a number of occasions, then you managed to take me down with one shot at Bledmyr even though I was buffed to 700hp and had 10sec bladeturn running. I know bladeturn can be peirced but I was very dubious as you are only a few levels above me and the arrow hit for almost 700dmg which really shocked me. I am not saying that is impossible so I will give you the respect you deserve unless someone proves otherwise.

Chodax Flame bow cant hit for more than 400 with crit shot at level 50 and thats on a gray com its dps is something like 8.2

For me to one shot u and Crit archery shot doesnt penetrate bladeturn i had to have either shoot u once to break your bubble then shoot u again or sent me pet in to nibble your shield then to shoot u with my slowest bow presently Twiglight bow and to have hit you on second shot which probably had a crit hit damage add which would take it over 700+ damage either way you were very unlucky.

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Del-Unger

For me to one shot u and Crit archery shot doesnt break i had to have either////// sent me pet in to nibble your shield or to have been using my slowest bow presently Twiglight bow and to have hit you on second shot which probably had a crit hit damage add which would take it over 700+ damage either way you were very unlucky. [/B]

Granted I was quite possibly very unlucky on that occasion so please accept my apology and you have my respect for having the decency to explain. I just wish more would do the same so I wouldn't have got so angry in the first place and started a flame war.

 

[old.Del-Unger]

Originally posted by cHodAX


Hehe, this is true. Little igloos have started popping up all around the entrance to Snowdonia fortress since this is the only place we poor Albions get any snow, just like you white assed Middies go to Emain for a little sun and sangria

Oh no the secrets out actually we like Emain since its the only place you can see real love in all of the realms... i mean

Who hasnt marvelled at seeing an Elf woman huggin a tree.....

Or an Albion Huggin there guards

Or an Midgardian hugging the dirt after the guard loving is over

 

[SFXman]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
Uncensored Picture of SFxman's Igloo obtained by my Albion Spy

Seems our resisdent flamer has been spotted close to his newly constructed Igloo in the Albion Frontiers reportedly close to a relic keep

http://www.grandshelters.com/images/boy-scouts-1-s2.jpg


Regards

I really can't say anything sensible so, whatever.

 

[SFXman]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
Lol SFX man sorry u getting all heated up in your Igloo sorry i dont apply PC to my posts on boards i sit here and read all your abusive comments and now i find you are very sensitive to people commenting on your igloo.

Its ok man be honest come out of your igloo join midgard and relish in the land of the snow.

For me i dont care what u say so please carry on meanwhile i will trawl the net to find a picie of you in your igloo with your laptop flaming away

I still don't understand why people think there are igloos in Finland

 

[cHodAX]

Nothing more pleasing on the eye than a battlefield full of dead Mid and Hib corpses, enough to make a grown Alby weep with joy Shame it is a sight I haven't seen since beta but you never know after a few more full moons the happy days might return

 

[old.DAoC daCruz]

Originally posted by cHodAX


Granted I was quite possibly very unlucky on that occasion so please accept my apology and you have my respect for having the decency to explain. I just wish more would do the same so I wouldn't have got so angry in the first place and started a flame war.

Chodax

do me a favour next time. If you need a explanation of something just come here and ASK! Dont come here and flame about things u dont know, so you dont have to get loads of the shit back!


Solid:

I am not a Spokesman, not for my Guild nor for the Alliance. Im not the Alliance Leader. I will always reply on unproofed and unjustified flames like I feel. English is not my mother tongue and my comments may be hard, but hell thats me. And to give you some satisfaction, my subscription ends next week


Cruz Mizzile
50 Troll Skald
<Nemesis>

 

[old.Lianuchta]

I think the whole door PBAE thing is on its way out anyway. IIRC in the next patch mages get the opportunity to nuke the enemy door (yeah! finally not just siting on my arse when we take an undefended keep ). I imagine that targetting an AE spell on the door, will significantly hurt the PBAEers behind it as well, so unless they have some serious healing, that defensive option goes out of the window.

Sidenote: I like this flaming going on, gives people all the more reason to RvR. Trash talking is good

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by DAoC daCruz


Chodax

do me a favour next time. If you need a explanation of something just come here and ASK! Dont come here and flame about things u dont know, so you dont have to get loads of the shit back!

Cruz Mizzile
50 Troll Skald
<Nemesis>

Cruz I take your point, I was overzealous with my remarks for which I apologise but it doesn't change the facts that certain people are known to be cheating (and YES in Albion too). I am angry about being found behind trees miles from a road by players who are alone and without stealth and they just run straight towards me when there is no way they could possibly see me. Surely you can understand that frustration and also the bitterness I feel towards GOA for their complete lack of support and monitoring ingame.

Yes I pointed the finger wildly at too many people and I am sorry but some of the comments on this thread justifying cheating really did make my blood boil. Even with the dubious PBAoE we have still been no match for you at keeps, however the constant sniping of low grey cons with the bugged bow is driving many Albion/Hibernia players away from RvR and possibly even the game due to sheer frustration. People don't mind losing to a stronger and better organised enemy (which you clearly are) but they do mind losing to a handful of exploiters who are dragging the reputation of your realm down by sitting stealthed with a bugged bow and waiting for grey cons to show. Surely you must agree it doesn't win your realm respect and it makes people even more angry with GOA and their piss poor record on patching.

 

[Solid]

Cruz

Ouch man, I get no satisfaction from you leaving the game at all, why would I? In fact I would rather as many stay as long as possible (Read as "until Shadowbane comes out")

This server came to life this weekend and I hope it stays that way.

 

[old.Del-Unger]

Heres a good one for all of you to compare and consider......

Not sure exact patch mayb 1.48 darkness falls.

Ok Alb infiltrators we buying with seals a Crossbow from the vendors in DF, now heres the classic.

This particular crossbow when the user had the best cleric buffs was givin a draw time. (time from when u click attack to fire of 1.1 secs)

Now how about this then 4 inflitrators stealthing into a defended Keep whilst an attack was in progress, perfectly normal all using this (bugged i use the term lightly since they bought a legitimate item availble in game) they were killing all caster defenders at a rate of 3 casters per 5 secs.

Yeah its bull but it did happen, now once the people whoi had been afftected by this X-bow reported it it took Mythic 48 hours to patch all the servers to increase thge X-bow draw time to a realistic number after all Infiltrators are good but having them running round with Machine gun X-bows lol.

Anyway the morale here is you get what you pay for. This Flame bow has been a burning issue for what 4 weeks maybe more now. I presume countless people have used the RIGHTNOW (Yawn system) and what nothing has been done no official regonition nothing.

Well sadly for any game of this scale things are never perfect but using a dropped item is going to happen when its still dropping.

As for the hiding behind a tree and from out of knowhere u were attacked ..... hummm could be someone using Odins Eye (map hack)

or could also be someone who happened to see you move there or someone who is sitting next to someone else playin a stealthed char.

Thing and I play alot in the same room when he comes to leech of me at my house...... so we know the power of being able to pass instant info.

Its happened to me a few times i always give it the benefit of the doubt now if the same person searched me out 10 times in strange circumstances i would start to worry for the moment i see em as skilled players who have fast reactions.....

ANyway enuff babble i got to go out and enjoy the wet weather of London while i drool over a Snowball sandwich sent to me by SFXman hopefully it aint mustard color

Regards

 

[cHodAX]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
Heres a good one for all of you to compare and consider......

That really does suck, I would have been as angry as hell if I was the caster under attcck like that. Luckily for the US players mythic aren't totally inept unlike GOA


As for the hiding behind a tree and from out of knowhere u were attacked ..... hummm could be someone using Odins Eye (map hack)

or could also be someone who happened to see you move there or someone who is sitting next to someone else playin a stealthed char.

Thing and I play alot in the same room when he comes to leech of me at my house...... so we know the power of being able to pass instant info.

Its happened to me a few times i always give it the benefit of the doubt now if the same person searched me out 10 times in strange circumstances i would start to worry for the moment i see em as skilled players who have fast reactions.....

The first time I had the perfect spot and the only place I could be seen from was the Yggdra area wall, the tree made my visable angle very small and I had been safe there on numerous occasions for long peroids, hell even a gang of purp Mids chasing me had missed my hiding spot on more than one occasion. However this person had ran straight to me, no shifting around to try and get a better angle so that made me suspisous. The next time it happened in a similar spot in Odins gate I was almost certain that I was being seen on some kind of map.

You see I am a Thuergist and a stealthed character can hit me quick and then keep firing to stop my casting, my advantage in RvR is range but if you take that away then I am a walking punch bag. If stealthed char had spotted me they would have joined in the attack but no-one appeared so I am 90% certain it was an exploit. A guildmate had the same thing happen them in Yggdra by the same person which pushes it more. Problem is logs and screenshots prove nothing, unless GOA monitor the player there is no chance of obtaining proof and GOA won't even reply unless you provide proof anyway. It took 50 people with screenshots of Sinister killing low levels in Camelot Hills to get GOA to even do a half assed job of closing that exploit.

ANyway enuff babble i got to go out and enjoy the wet weather of London while i drool over a Snowball sandwich sent to me by SFXman hopefully it aint mustard color



Yeah the mustard ones taste a little bitter but I can recommend the chocolate ones

 

[old.Veritreus]

Well, ahem, when I first started this thread I was just really mad at being shot from somewhere I shouldn't have been able to... and was looking for some sort of support from other people in the same situation, possibly even Middies saying it wasn't exactly acceptable behaviour and attempting to get their realm mates to stop using the bow on us in RvR.

I did report this to RightNow - even before I'd started this thread. If enough other people do the same when it happens to them, maybe the culprits will get some sort of warning at least, and if they continue, hopefully some sort of direct action. Not that I'm an optimist or anything Still, I do seem to be somewhat in the minority as I've actually spoken to Kemor not once, but twice! In game!

I am quite surprised that many Middies seem to believe it's alright to use the bow, but then that's the way things go with the side having the advantage thinking it's right. My main problem with it is that you could probably beat us anyway, without using the bow, which would surely make it more fun for both sides, rather than sniping from places you shouldn't be able to.

What I never intended in this thread was to accuse other Middies of using other forms of cheating, and I specifically said that I believe almost all Middies don't cheat, it's just a few people using this bow making it a pain for everyone involved.

One other thing... lvl 50 in 16 days /played... I think you were lvl 50 about 2 months after release. That's 6 hours a day on average... I think you're obsessed

 

[old.Aiges Tyme]

Hmmmm

If you use an item that you legitimatly got in-game then your not doing anything wrong, sure the item may be unbalancing but that is different from cheating. If you use map hacks and the like then really your just showing everyone you cannot win by normal means, most cheaters do it to boost their ego so they can say "I got so many realm points, arn't i cool?" . People know they cheat and know they arn't cool so they loose in the end.

As with any online game there will be unbalancing items, as old ones are fixed others will become apparant. Whether you decide to use them or not is entirely up to you, no one can blame you for using a weapon because it gives you an extra advatage, most people would jump at the opertunity to use a polearm that always did critical hits, or always did 200 dd damage, or a spell that could never be resisted.

If they patch the bow then great, if they don't then fair enough. Just adapt, its what humans are good at doing aparantly.

 

[old.Veritreus]

To be honest, I totally disagree with that... yes, the item can be legitimately gained in game, however, the item does not do what it is supposed to. It is not supposed to have a range several times that of normal bows, and it is not supposed to shoot through walls. The fact that the bow does this is because it is bugged, not because it was designed that way. If it was designed that way, then yes, it would be fair enough.

Exploiting a bug is against the Terms and Conditions you signed up for... we've had evidence of this before, and it resulted in banning when Sinister exploited the fact that he could sneak past the realm guards into people's home realms.

He got banned.

Why should this be any different? People are exploiting a bug and reducing/ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. Admittedly banning anyone misusing this bow without any warning would be excessively harsh, however surely it would be fair to warn people not to abuse this bug and then people found still doing so could be banned.

 

[old.Del-Unger]

All bows have the capability to shoot through walls once u begin to see this then we are making progress.

Bow of Flames has a range that is excessive thats the only defining thing about it.

Please for the love of sanity stop this shooting through walls bull.....

As Kulgan explained and so many of you seem so stupid as not to be able to ready.

Knocking (the time when u draw (click the fire butto) the bow is the point at which the game checks to see if the target is a legitimate Line of sight line of range target. Even if you ducked down in Adolf Hitlers Berlin Bunker said arrow provided u have not moved beyond the range of the bow will hit you and hurt you if you dont have bladeturn up.

Nopw its thats to hard for you to understand then i really give up, people who continue to belive this Bow is the Legend bow will do so as is your right. Goa have the power to DISABLE this bow if they want to in about hummm 1 minutes work. Its called the item database all they need to do is set race to Null or class to Null and the item is instantly rendered usless.
Now given that GOA have perhaps heard your complaints in the last 4 5 weeks seems strange that they cant spare 1 - 2 minutes to actually repair something.

Anyway as i said ANY BOW can shoot through walls as someone also pointed out theres perhaps a way of seeing under Keep walls i personally have no idea how that works otherwise i wouldnt be doing the HUNTER HOP ( used to try and get Line OF Sight on anyway standing in plain view from the front of a Keep)
But it dont matter what we say does it, dont matter that its easier to shoot people from a Keep with a bow than it is from the ground. Really people read and digest the information in peoples posts u never know u might actually LEARN something.


BTW SInister wasnt Banned he was suspended for 2 days......


Regards

 

[old.[BC]Revz]

Originally posted by Veritreus
Exploiting a bug is against the Terms and Conditions you signed up for... we've had evidence of this before, and it resulted in banning when Sinister exploited the fact that he could sneak past the realm guards into people's home realms.

He got banned.

Why should this be any different? People are exploiting a bug and reducing/ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. Admittedly banning anyone misusing this bow without any warning would be excessively harsh, however surely it would be fair to warn people not to abuse this bug and then people found still doing so could be banned.

GOA cannot possibly be unaware of the problem now so you can only reach the conclusion that they either condone it through inaction or cannot be bothered to enforce their own terms and conditions (where it stipulates that use of a known bug is a bannable offence).

*shrug*

 

[SFXman]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
ANyway enuff babble i got to go out and enjoy the wet weather of London while i drool over a Snowball sandwich sent to me by SFXman hopefully it aint mustard color

Anyhoo, I might go enjoy the ~+20 celcius and very bright sunshine outside with some friends.

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
All bows have the capability to shoot through walls once u begin to see this then we are making progress.

I've never denied the hunter hop thingy... however you are mistaken about shooting through walls with that bow. If you read what I've written before (and will repeat now in even more detail, step by step, to save you the trouble of finding it) you will see what I mean.

Step 1:
I popped outside the keep to have a look at the Middies lurking at the bottom of the hill.

Step 2:
I get hit, ignore it as it's only for just over 100 dmg

Step 3:
I get hit again, so decide to go back inside the keep as this person is clearly going to keep shooting me if I stand outside.

Step 4:
I get hit a further 5 times inside the keep

Step 5:
I recieve the message "You were killed by Aiming", and my body lies on the floor inside the keep to one side of the door.

Really people read and digest the information in peoples posts u never know u might actually LEARN something.

*whistles innocently*

 

[old.Del-Unger]

Why should this be any different? People are exploiting a bug and reducing/ruining other people's enjoyment of the game. Admittedly banning anyone misusing this bow without any warning would be excessively harsh, however surely it would be fair to warn people not to abuse this bug and then people found still doing so could be banned.

HAHA

SO what you are saying here also means that all ALbions TRAINING (exploiting) (moving realm guards to a tactical advantage is not allowed) should also all be banned.
Be nice to hear your view on this since your broad ranging remake is of total relevance here!!

I have yet to hear of one single middie constantly whining about having Portal Keep guards trained on them by Albions, you see we dont complain because it happens and whats the point in maoning and whining when really it gives us more of an appetite to come back and chew u guys up.

Regards

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
I have yet to hear of one single middie constantly whining about having Portal Keep guards trained on them by Albions, you see we dont complain because it happens and whats the point in maoning and whining when really it gives us more of an appetite to come back and chew u guys up.

Yes, but then it's quite easy for you to solve that... all you have to do is stop camping the Alb PK. Wheras it's quite difficult for us to confiscate all your bows

 

[old.Del-Unger]

Sorry Veriteus but i dont belive u got HIT 5 times whilst inside the Keep unless u were still in line of sight.

I read the US ultra whine boards daily the worst cast of being hit whilst supposedly not in LOS is 3 times and its been timed and proved to be because of flight time of arrow.

I think what happend to you is a case of some targeting bug that ignored LOS similar to the ability to be able to melee through the keep doors which does happen at the moment.

But regardless you will belive what you will and such is life but i am confident that

1: Any bow would have cause the same effect
2: Another bug is to blame
3: You will always be unhappy
4: You obviously didnt have a pet tree
5: You will always look to this one bow to be to blame for all of your many PVP deaths.

Regards

 

[old.Del-Unger]

Check the trends

Mids dont complain we like dying and playing

Hibs complain always ( i used to be one on a US server)
Albions always complain till one day they will wake up to how powerful they are.

As for camping /.........

LOL cant tell you how many hours i have spent killing your nice xp mobs in gorge area hoping that you guys and gals would come out and HUG some trees.

One day you will be happy...... but not today it seems.

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Basically the whole shooting thru walls thing is a major flaw in Mythic's game design. It not only counts for hunters, but also for rangers, scouts and any other class which uses bows.

As a bolt thrower, my spell gets cancelled if someone moves out of LOS, and i don't see why archers shouldn't have 2 LOS checks (when nocking and when releasing) just like mages do on starting to cast, and releasing. I can see why you shouldn't be able to avoid an arrow that is in the air, just as bolts hit even if the target moves or stealths (I found that out yesterday when I tried to solo Hoster, who was standing unstealthed with his back towards me near the Hib PK in odin's... Still didn't manage to kill him though, which is not that surprising him being a red con and all).

But this is not the archers fault, and i'm sure our rangers shoot thru trees and walls as well. It is just Mythics shoddy physics engine.

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by Del-Unger
Sorry Veriteus but i dont belive u got HIT 5 times whilst inside the Keep unless u were still in line of sight.

I read the US ultra whine boards daily the worst cast of being hit whilst supposedly not in LOS is 3 times and its been timed and proved to be because of flight time of arrow.

I think what happend to you is a case of some targeting bug that ignored LOS similar to the ability to be able to melee through the keep doors which does happen at the moment.

*shrug*

You may not believe it, I do, and I rather doubt any amount of arguing will change that

But regardless you will belive what you will and such is life but i am confident that

1: Any bow would have cause the same effect
2: Another bug is to blame
3: You will always be unhappy
4: You obviously didnt have a pet tree
5: You will always look to this one bow to be to blame for all of your many PVP deaths.

Regards

1: Well if he'd used a proper bow he could probably have killed me outside
2: Who knows... not me certainly, although the range bug was certainly a contributing factor
3: Not really, I'll just kill stuff inside my borders until the patch
4: I do... it's capped at lvl 12 though. Even mobs I can solo one hit kill it
5: Only as long as you lot keep using it - or until the pach