Middie cheats

[old.Veritreus]

Well you know, I think the title just about says it all. Us Hibbies gave up some xping time to take back one of our keeps, we take it back, then expected Middies arrive.

Then a couple of their archers kindly started shooting people who poked their heads outside... continuing to shoot us when we went back inside. Through about 6 feet of stone wall, at about twice the range of any other bow.

My apologies to most of you Middies, who I know don't cheat, but it was really pissing us off.

Aiming, you suck.

 

[old.Psi]

Theres a bugged bow in Midgard that has double the range of most bows.

Please name and shame the people using it.

 

[svar]

Yes we know Psi. One guys i am 100% that uses it is Xanoo.

 

[old.Alwych]

Del, Thing, Sinister before he left all used and use the Bugged (CHEAT) bow all the time to kill lower level players in 1 hit from miles away.

Not sure about others but those guys without a doubt use the cheat tactics to lame their way into more realm points.

Shame on them but more importantly shame on their guilds who let them use bugs and dont give a hoot.

 

[froler]

ooooh noooo, when we moved to BW, didnt we all Prydwen players agree on NOT whine so much anymore??



/delete whine_threads_prydwen


id say it was a great fight at Dun Crim. hope i see more of u hibs.

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by froler
ooooh noooo, when we moved to BW, didnt we all Prydwen players agree on NOT whine so much anymore??



/delete whine_threads_prydwen


id say it was a great fight at Dun Crim. hope i see more of u hibs.

Ah, you'd be a middie then...

/em understands why you're not complaining now

How'd you feel if we had a bugged bow and deliberately used it to gain advantage?

 

[old.Tiitan]

Im not saying the bow is legal by replying to this thread, but what exactly did you expect ppl to do when you guys send pets through the door and AE nuking through the door? If thats not cheating, then dont whine about the bow please.

Noone used the bow at that keepraid, until we got wiped at the door by some mysterious forces(??). Then we pulled down the hill while some other ppl went for rams, since that was the only solution against your door AE nukes.

Ohh and if that is your defense tactics, i suggest you find a new one, since you'll be screwed when they patch next year :=)

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by Tiitan
Im not saying the bow is legal by replying to this thread, but what exactly did you expect ppl to do when you guys send pets through the door and AE nuking through the door? If thats not cheating, then dont whine about the bow please.

AE nuking through the door is hardly on a level with using a bow that can shoot ludicrous distances through walls. AE nuking was never considered a bug, merely something that needs improvement from mythic, just like standing on the gatekeeper so people can't click on it, and other such things.

Just like your AE nukers were doing to us at the last raid - standing under the wall and blasting us.

Consider AE nuking at the door to be like having boiling oil poured on your head - something Mythic have yet to put in, despite the fact that it's a rather essential piece of keep defence

On the other hand, a bow that can shoot through walls at crazy distances... well I bet the US government wish they could develop one of them

 

[Morrobainn]

As far as I know, PBAoE attacks are valid.. although correct me if I'm wrong. The extra long range bow was annoying in that it was impossible for me to attempt to shoot back. However, I am grateful that it is a lvl26 bow and causes very little damage. Sad to see it being used to shoot grey and green cons through walls though.

Still, despite that, it was good fun and I suspect the mids enjoyed finding a load of hibs around yet again, next time, it'll be even harder to take.

Thanks for all the fun.

Yrs,
Morrobainn

 

[svar]

Oh yes, you are right. We will just shut up, go away and let you middies boast around how uber you are. People who cheat deserve to be brought to shame, althought I have a strong feeling that in this community noone even cares.

 

[old.Lianuchta]

All realms have some sort of PBAE attack, and one of its main official uses is keep attack/defense.

Now in the next patch mages will get the opportunity to cast spells at doors, so if I say AE the door, than the people behind it will get hit as well.

And I've been shot thru walls, not fun I tell you (Xanoo). How would Mids feel if suddenly all eldritch bolts were twice the range thru a bug, and us hibs starting exploiting it... Bet you'd be on here in a flash whining...

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by Lianuchta
How would Mids feel if suddenly all eldritch bolts were twice the range thru a bug, and us hibs starting exploiting it... Bet you'd be on here in a flash whining...

Oooh, and could be shot through walls. I really did NOT appreciate going from 90% health to 0% when stood in the middle of the courtyard.

 

[old.Tiitan]

Guys listen to yourself, how can you allow one bug, but not another?

Sure the bow is lame, but AE'ing the door is exactly as lame, makes no sence. Once they patch you'll be middie-food. suggest you find another form of defence.

And if the bow is so bugged, how come they havent fixed it yet?

Oh and making some homemade rules, what is right and wrong ruins games.
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Consider AE nuking at the door to be like having boiling oil poured on your head - something Mythic have yet to put in, despite the fact that it's a rather essential piece of keep defence
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Well lets just say our archers had the wind in the back that day?

Making roleplay rules dosent make it legit.

 

[froler]

Originally posted by Veritreus


Ah, you'd be a middie then...

/em understands why you're not complaining now

How'd you feel if we had a bugged bow and deliberately used it to gain advantage?

Aye, im a middie,
yes i think the bow is kinda unfair....but ive heard enough of it..uke: uke: uke:


and Tiitan got a point there....we saw alot of damn spells thru the door...

but i dont care, u die alot in rvr, so why not die a little more and just stop whinin?

 

[old.Veritreus]

Originally posted by Tiitan
Guys listen to yourself, how can you allow one bug, but not another?

Sure the bow is lame, but AE'ing the door is exactly as lame, makes no sence. Once they patch you'll be middie-food. suggest you find another form of defence.

AE'ing the door is hardly the same as it's not removed in the future patches afaik, and they have no intention of removing it. The bug, however, was introduced in this patch, and removed in the next... go figure

And if the bow is so bugged, how come they havent fixed it yet?

They do. Soon.

Well lets just say our archers had the wind in the back that day?

Ah, the amazing wind that penetrates walls... nice.

 

[old.Kulgan Nemesis]

Shooting through a wall OR door is a design flaw and has not yet been corrected and noone knows when or if it ever will be. That does not apply to arrows only, but melee attacks as well magic such as PBAEs.
Walls and doors are to be considered solid objects final.
Ive been to several Keeps takings now with hibs defending and its always the same. PBAEing through doors/melee through doors on people or rams and shooting through the doors.
Just cuz 1 bug is corrected in 1 patch and another is not does not make it right. Perhaps shooting/PBAing/meleeing through doors and walls will be never fixed but does that mean you have to use it?.
As for the bow the same goes. Stop using it and start using common sense instead.
you want people to stop doing it? Good but it starts with you.

 

[Belsameth]

all bows can shoot through walls simply because they only make a visibility check when you knock an arrow and not when you're about to shoot (unlike bolts)

now you can whine here or get that keep back again, I suggest the latter as that's more fun for all

 

[old.Azlorath]

I really really would love to see what you middies would do if our bolts would get twice the range and penetrate walls because of some "wind" blowing in the right direction would really really love to see you try and take back the keeps we take then.

hehe dont sit too comfortable up there boys, the mushrooms grow slow(?) but once seated, they are hard to get rid of!

cheers

 

[old.Thing]

lol

Its obvious this was posted by a complete RVR newbie that has no idea how game Mechanic works.

I suggest you read Kulgans post about arrow Knocking and also take into account the lag, also think about the fact that if you guys hadnt of been meleeing us or pbaein threw the doors then you wouldnt have died.

Also your lvl 3x with means theres a 50% chance your grey which means one shot kill.

Sorry m8 but untill you stop crying and making these stupid uninformed posts then ill continue to laugh at you.

 

[old.Azlorath]

ofcourse i was the only one there with bolts...pardon

 

[VidX]

Guys

The Bow is unfair, but I suppose that in the eyes of Midgaard the fact we are pbAoE'ing through the door and the various pet bugs....

I know that the doors on milegates have spaces at the bottom, so pbAoE's through them should be possible, but I am unsure about the doors at a keep, will check it tomorrow.

Anyway, good fight guys, hope we have more of them

 

[svar]

Oh come on Kulgan & co, stop thinking so high of yourself and treating everyone else like mentally challenged children. This is NOT about a nocking rules, they are as they are, it is about using weapons with which you are (literally) invulnerable (since noone can reach you back and retaliate).

And for pbaoe and AOEing the doors: why do your thanes do that? Why do your runemasters cast AOE on doors? Oh I am sure they are all fair and would not do it, but are sooo desperate and having such hard times that they just have to, right?. About the ram bug I AM sorry, but ask yourself: have we EVER destroyed one of your rams pounding on doors? Doors are usually open before we have chance to deplete those trillion hit points of a siege ram.

About pets: yup, it is unfair to have lvl 25 druid pets on you. Gosh!

But you are right in one thing: no amount of complaining on these boards is going to change anything. So we may just as well drop it.

 

[omen_darkstep]

This game is all about owning in RVR. If hunter's want to use a valid in game weapon to get the edge on their killing, let them.

It'll only be operational till the next patch anyway as it's getting sorted.

 

[VidX]

Talking about the next patch....

Seen on the DAoC-Europe homepage that the patch is almost 50% complete.

So, 1 month after the last patch, being 50%, means that it'll be another month before the patch is complete

Well... I can get to 50 by then, and then get an alt to 50 I suppose hehe

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Originally posted by omen_darkstep
This game is all about owning in RVR. If hunter's want to use a valid in game weapon to get the edge on their killing, let them.

It'll only be operational till the next patch anyway as it's getting sorted.

But the thing is, as a known bug, it is not a valid in game weapon, it is a bug exploit if used in RvR... Now I couldn't give a toss if you use it against mobs (doubtful as it is not that great a bow as far as I can tell), but using it in RvR results in you gaining an unfair advantage. But I don't really care, it is Thanes or Shadowblades that usually get me anyway (Nice one Azal last night at the MG, got me for 950odd).

 

[old.Kulgan Nemesis]

Well Svarun you are correct its about using weapons from which you cannot retaliate and PBAEs are one of them. You can have casters in a safe distance casting them over and over with us not being able to target them and/or hit them. sure we could have an army of SBs sneaking in and killing the PBAeing casters but then again so could you with those using the bows.
Well its the people making the server and decides how rvr should be. Let me ask you this:
Just cuz you can do something in the game (flawed game design or not) does it then mean you have to?. I believe in using common sense first but well it seems you do not.
A hib started this thread complaining by some mids using a certain bug (the bugged bow). Some mids replied that using bugs and what seems like unfair advantages were not Mid alone but something we have encountered with Hibs on a number of times.
Im just asking for people to stop using them so we all can have a more enjoyable time in rvr but that is up the people.
And to answer your question about the ram: yes not last Hibs took DC but the time before (think its 4-5 days ago), a ram was destroyed by hibs from inside the door with melee.

 

[svar]

Kulgan sure you can retaliate on pbaoe: cast AOE on inner doors and have Thanes use their pbaoe too. And your casters have pbaoe too, its not my fault they are not specced for it. You see, theres the difference: BOTH realms have pbaoe and can use it as they wish, being it a bug or not, whereas only Mids have bugged bows.

One more thing: I was in that defence and no: we did not kill the ram, you opened doors before we could and slaughtered us. Mostly because of hunters on hills around shooting healers and repairers with bows...

But lets drop this.

 

[old.Kulgan Nemesis]

PBAEs: Midgard is the only realm without a PBAE with a damaging effect. The only PBAE in midgard is a mezz Spiritmasters gets. So no its not about our caster not properly specced but simply that midgard lack these sort of spells. So there is the differnce you see, Midgard does not have damaging PBAEs. Hibernia do (and albion but then it has never been a problem with them when Ive been there).
AEs: It doesnt work that way. But sure we could target through doors or have Sbs crawling inside stealthed and then have people assisting them with AEs through the door.

Thats where you and me differ though. You propose to beat game design exploiting with game design exploiting where I propose to stop using them.

and yes that ram was destroyed by a Hib defender. I was standing right behind it. We then proceeded to bash the door in with high casualties due to PBAEs.

But you are right. We might aswell drop this. There will always be someone willing to use any bug (bows,target through doors,pbaes or any other) just to win. For them there is no honor. There is only winning and they will do anything to achieve this.

 

[old.Veritreus]

Re: lol

Originally posted by Thing
Its obvious this was posted by a complete RVR newbie that has no idea how game Mechanic works.

I suggest you read Kulgans post about arrow Knocking and also take into account the lag, also think about the fact that if you guys hadnt of been meleeing us or pbaein threw the doors then you wouldnt have died.

Also your lvl 3x with means theres a 50% chance your grey which means one shot kill.

Sorry m8 but untill you stop crying and making these stupid uninformed posts then ill continue to laugh at you.

Just before we drop this...

FYI, I'm lvl 39 and I got shot inside the keep about 5 times - first two shots were outside, then I ported back inside, where I got hit again and again and again.

Still, three other points...

1) why don't your casters PBAOE us back instead of moaning

and

2) IIRC I remember reading something about one of the patches not having checks on arrows being aimed UNDER the walls... which is quite likely what happened to me, so if I'd been standing on top of a wall instead of in the courtyard with no walls under me then it wouldn't have happened. Not sure which patch they fixed that in

finally

3) I've been in every Hibernian keep raid since the commercial release.

Sorry m8, but until you stop thinking you're uber and 1337 I'm gonna think you're about 12 years old and just starting puberty. Just to keep it as personal as you have

 

[old.Thing]

lol

Sure thing n00b