Michael Carroll (Lotto Lout) almost broke

[old.Tohtori]

I don't see what's so hard to understand Tohtori.

Try seeing what i'm saying before jumping on the "you don't understand" train.

Lamp said it too, just there, before this post. Maybe you understand him better.

 

[Cemeterygates]

As for "Half the people drinking together"? what? yea, some of the most extreme people out there might go ape and smash a bar up once or twice in thier lifetimes and get banned/arrested whatever, but I doubt they go out specifically for that purpose, or if the number of bars people like that do in ever reaches double figures.

I'm sorry but a hell of a lot of people do go out purely to look for trouble/cause shit/smash stuff up etc etc. at the end of the day the world is full of assholes that see that as a good night out...bad it may be...but its fact.

 

[Calaen]

I'm sorry but a hell of a lot of people do go out purely to look for trouble/cause shit/smash stuff up etc etc. at the end of the day the world is full of assholes that see that as a good night out...bad it may be...but its fact.

Not 50% of the people that go out though, it is always the minority.

The main issue here IS RESPECT the guy has non for no one, this was an issue before he won the money, since he had it he became worse just because he could.

With regards to Toh's comments, so much shit gets lost in translation and you feel like your chasing your own tail trying to understand you. I really doubt anyone would kill this guy given the chance, but you do not have to take what people are saying as being 100% what they mean.

Tt works the other way as well, you are saying that people wanting someone dead is not fair (it is not by the way) However you telling people that throwing burgers/anything at elderly people is not as bad as it seems is just as fucking stupid.

 

[old.Tohtori]

With regards to Toh's comments, so much shit gets lost in translation and you feel like your chasing your own tail trying to understand you. I really doubt anyone would kill this guy given the chance, but you do not have to take what people are saying as being 100% what they mean.

Tt works the other way as well, you are saying that people wanting someone dead is not fair (it is not by the way) However you telling people that throwing burgers/anything at elderly people is not as bad as it seems is just as fucking stupid.

Like i said, i wasn't saying that. I said it doesn't warrant a death threat. Said it many times even. But people tend to not see the point, when it's something even slightly different then theirs. Clouded by anger, and then hold on to their initial reaction which was a misunderstanding on their part. Especially if it's a "touchy" subject.

PERSONALLY, it's not that big of a deal, if it happened to ME, but that has no place really in this.

In regards to people and them "not killing the guy if given a chance", this is exactly why i brought this up. I think there's a couple of individuals here who WOULD shoot the guy if given the opportunity and immunity towards the crime.

In regards to "not half of people go out", isn't that the same kind of "literally taking" you "accuse" me of?

Also fun to see that after i explain my point, which gets in an anger/flame mode disregarded, people tend to stop talking to me.

 

[Gamah]

Toh towing the "other" line to everyone else

HOW SUPPRISING

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm suprised it took you so f*cking long to say that.

 

[Calaen]

Like i said, i wasn't saying that. I said it doesn't warrant a death threat. Said it many times even. But people tend to not see the point, when it's something even slightly different then theirs. Clouded by anger, and then hold on to their initial reaction which was a misunderstanding on their part. Especially if it's a "touchy" subject.

PERSONALLY, it's not that big of a deal, if it happened to ME, but that has no place really in this.

In regards to people and them "not killing the guy if given a chance", this is exactly why i brought this up. I think there's a couple of individuals here who WOULD shoot the guy if given the opportunity and immunity towards the crime.

In regards to "not half of people go out", isn't that the same kind of "literally taking" you "accuse" me of?

Also fun to see that after i explain my point, which gets in an anger/flame mode disregarded, people tend to stop talking to me.

As I said in my post mate it works the other way as well you start off taking people literally then expect them not to do the same, I have no real problem with what you are saying, but you seem to think a serious act of disrespect is perfectly normal. It makes it hard to really understand where you are coming from.

 

[Gamah]

I'm suprised it took you so f*cking long to say that.

Well you're a fucking hippe, I must say it.

 

[old.Tohtori]

As I said in my post mate it works the other way as well you start off taking people literally then expect them not to do the same, I have no real problem with what you are saying, but you seem to think a serious act of disrespect is perfectly normal. It makes it hard to really understand where you are coming from.

So by saying, *rubs head*, it's ok for you to take my saying literally and at the same time tell me not to take things literally 'cause initially i took things a bit too literally?

On the latter, that's what i've been saying all along, it's NOT ok, but neither does it warrant a deaththreat.

Only thing i'm saying.

Deaththreat is BAD. REALLY BAD.

From post one really, i was against the deaththreat. Nothing more. No defending the behavior of the guy, even if i PERSONALLY think it's not that bad. If it happened to me, is what i mean personally.

Though, that sort of disrespect is common, just not in a sense you meant it in that post.

 

[Calaen]

So by saying, *rubs head*, it's ok for you to take my saying literally and at the same time tell me not to take things literally 'cause initially i took things a bit too literally?

On the latter, that's what i've been saying all along, it's NOT ok, but neither does it warrant a deaththreat.

Only thing i'm saying.

Deaththreat is BAD. REALLY BAD.

From post one really, i was against the deaththreat. Nothing more. No defending the behavior of the guy, even if i PERSONALLY think it's not that bad. If it happened to me, is what i mean personally.

Though, that sort of disrespect is common, just not in a sense you meant it in that post.

Someone random person throwing a hamburger at you from a car is fucking disrespectful regardless of who you are and where you come from, to think otherwise is just fucking bizarre.

No its not alright for me to take the things you said literally, but as I have already said you can hardly expect other people to not do it when you do it so blatantly. I am not telling you anything merely bringing to your attention that in the first instance you took things literally.

Then you threw in some random over the top numbers about other people who should be locked up. How can you not expect me to say I doubt 50% of the people who go out when in reality its probably about 2% which lets be straight is nowhere fucking close to comparison.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Someone random person throwing a hamburger at you from a car is fucking disrespectful regardless of who you are and where you come from, to think otherwise is just fucking bizarre.

No its not alright for me to take the things you said literally, but as I have already said you can hardly expect other people to not do it when you do it so blatantly. I am not telling you anything merely bringing to your attention that in the first instance you took things literally.

Then you threw in some random over the top numbers about other people who should be locked up. How can you not expect me to say I doubt 50% of the people who go out when in reality its probably about 2% which lets be straight is nowhere fucking close to comparison.

Never said it wasn't disrespectful...now did i? This is exactly the problem, people assuming what i say.

I also, never didn't expect people to take things literally, as things shouldn't be on a forum like this. You brought it up in the first place, with an instance where things SHOULD be taken literally. In other words, people wanting to shoot this guy. SOME people meant it literally and some might consider it for more then two seconds, which is what i meant is wrong.

Also, it's rather interesting that you would do something, then preach to me about not doing it. Don't you see anything wrong there?

By the way, the number i threw "50%" or something, was a power way of saying a point. Over-exaggerating a number to show, how ridiculous it would be to force something on one.

 

[Calaen]

Never said it wasn't disrespectful...now did i? This is exactly the problem, people assuming what i say.

I also, never didn't expect people to take things literally, as things shouldn't be on a forum like this. You brought it up in the first place, with an instance where things SHOULD be taken literally. In other words, people wanting to shoot this guy. SOME people meant it literally and some might consider it for more then two seconds, which is what i meant is wrong.

Also, it's rather interesting that you would do something, then preach to me about not doing it. Don't you see anything wrong there?

By the way, the number i threw "50%" or something, was a power way of saying a point. Over-exaggerating a number to show, how ridiculous it would be to force something on one.

All your doing is repeating what I said and expecting me to back down, you started by taking it literally the whole death thing. I merely questioned your facts with regards to people who should also be locked up. Throwing food at YOU is totally fine. Do you not see what is wrong with this?

 

[tris-]

if he doesnt care if people throw shit at him then maybe he lacks self respect.

if someone threw a burger at me id be over there in no time.

 

[old.Tohtori]

All your doing is repeating what I said and expecting me to back down, you started by taking it literally the whole death thing. I merely questioned your facts with regards to people who should also be locked up. Throwing food at YOU is totally fine. Do you not see what is wrong with this?

No, actually i'm waiting for someone to actually answer more parts then that which suits in the whole "you're wrong" pattern.

But people tend to take one part of a post, then wrap so that the whole post is about that one line, that can be twisted.

I took the death thing literally, because i believe it's true in some cases. I can prove this by making a poll, to which i bet some individuals would answer "yes i would shoot him"(unless they read this, in which case it would just be out of spite)

I explained, that i didn't expect anyone to NOT take my post literally, you suggested this whole literally thing in the first place and then said i'm somehow expecting people to do something. Also did explain how it was a mere exaggeration as a powertool, which should've been obvious from the amount of exaggeration.

I see what is wrong with that line, but i never said it.

Throwing food at ME, is not fine either, but i won't go ballistic about it. I might be "slightly wtf", but mostly amused.

I'll emphasise, I didn't say "Throwing sh*t at your grandfather is fine!", never, ever, in any of my posts. I gave a view on what i, or my grandfather(would have), probably done.

 

[tris-]

making a poll is hardly proof of anything when people are not forced to vote what they actually think.

 

[old.Tohtori]

making a poll is hardly proof of anything when people are not forced to vote what they actually think.

No, but it's the only way to show some indication on the claim being correct.

You can't seriously say that you think noone on these forums would shoot the guy, given the chance and immunity? From all these answers on this thread? You don't think people would cheer to see him dead?

 

[tris-]

i would cheer to see him dead. i dont think anyone here could kill someone unless theyve done it before in th army, or their life was in danger, or their families life.

 

[Gamah]

I would like for him to cease xsistence.

SEE WHAT I DID

XSISTENCE.

I R TEH KOOL KIDZ?

 

[old.Tohtori]

i would cheer to see him dead. i dont think anyone here could kill someone unless theyve done it before in th army, or their life was in danger, or their families life.

The cheering part is exactly what's a bit concerning.

Not saying that i don't think there are some who would shoot him.

But, this discussion has sidetracked so many times that i'll think i'll TRY to give my points as clearly as i can, so people can discuss that(if they wish).

- Wishing someone dead, for thrashing a bar or throwing burgers is overkill.
- I don't condone the actions he's done.
- I wouldn't be too bothered if someone threw a burger at me.
- People can use their money as they wish.

 

[Calaen]

I have already said I understand what you are saying, how you expect people to take anything you say seriously, when you are telling us that someone throwing food at you is good, is fucking beyond me.

 

[Lamp]

I think Toto's getting blatently misinterpreted. Toto is saying that he (Toto) wouldn't be particularly upset if someone threw a burger at him. He's not saying that its "good". He's not saying that other people aren't getting upset by it.

 

[dub]

better get used to it really , lotteries is a tax on stupidity , chances of another food throwing fella are kinda big

 

[Lamp]

I'm not knocking lotteries. Good luck to you if you win. I'd certainly like to win GBP 9.7 million. Got to be in it to win it, as the slogan goes.

*trots off to local kiosk to buy ticket*

 

[Calaen]

I think Toto's getting blatently misinterpreted. Toto is saying that he (Toto) wouldn't be particularly upset if someone threw a burger at him. He's not saying that its "good". He's not saying that other people aren't getting upset by it.

Come on Lamp anyone with partial common sense cannot say that if someone threw food at them for no reason at all they would be fine with it. Its just dumb.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think Toto's getting blatently misinterpreted. Toto is saying that he (Toto) wouldn't be particularly upset if someone threw a burger at him. He's not saying that its "good". He's not saying that other people aren't getting upset by it.

Exactly.

It's not "good", which is just twisting my words to fit the flame, i just wouldn't mind it THAT much.

Slightly annoyed, perhaps, on a bad day. But on a good day, i'd mostly be amused at the situation. If nothing else, for the unreal life factor of it.

Getting hellbent, raging, murderous, lunatic, or any other extreme way about someone throwing a bigmac at you, is just not my style.

Calling it dumb behavior, is just flaming and not even in a very interesting way.

Also saying in the same sentence, that "i understand you", and then doubt taking me seriously, is a bit (whatever is the fitting word).

 

[Lamp]

Wouldn't be Freddyshouse without double standards and flamebaiting

 

[Calaen]

Understanding what you are trying to say does not mean I have to take you seriously, I fear that will never again be possible.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Understanding what you are trying to say does not mean I have to take you seriously, I fear that will never again be possible.

Well, if you're really that adamant, that all the people of the world should be living and thinking just the way you live and think, even in some situations, i don't think i will mind if you will or won't take me seriously.

You won't take me seriously anymore, because i don't rant and rave and get hellbent on killing someone because they threw something at me? Don't you see how ridiculous that sounds?

 

[Calaen]

I do not want the whole world to think the way I think. You always tell people to avoid personal insults an such against you. I cannot help thinking that you are a tool for allowing someone to throw food at you. Nothing you can say can stop me from thinking less of you because of this.

People think what they think and have a difference of opinions I have no problem with that to do so would be ignorant, you just seem to take it so far in the other direction its absurd.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I do not want the whole world to think the way I think. You always tell people to avoid personal insults an such against you. I cannot help thinking that you are a tool for allowing someone to throw food at you. Nothing you can say can stop me from thinking less of you because of this.

People think what they think and have a difference of opinions I have no problem with that to do so would be ignorant, you just seem to take it so far in the other direction its absurd.

I'm actually saying that people should avoid insults, that are undemanded, towards anyone, not just me. I can take insults, take 'em with a pinch of salt when i see fit too. Just dislike the common insults flying around like they were nothing.

But you do, assume too much. I'm not saying, if you read my posts, that i ALLOW people to throw food at me. I'm saying i wouldn't mind it THAT much if it were to happen.

There's a difference, and if you can't see it, i can't help it.