Meduza banned.

[Eet_Sjet]

The Meduza only started 'doing' the mods, cuz of the thread close, and later, the ban!


Unban Zlair account, f00ls!


U cannot silence meh!

 

[Driwen]

the threads was closed, because it was only flames and both parties didnt had a real discussion in it (VF and meduza). Wasnt really something versus you personally or in advantage of VF (I assume), but it was just a worthless thread and it got closed. Making new threads about it after mods closed it is rather pointless and might get you banned.

 

[Silenzio]

Originally posted by Ensceptifica
It's nice to see it's being moderated imho.

all at the same time from nothing

with no real target... just it seem

post count reset /ban / closeing thread...

comeing out in a radmdon manner


yess, they r human... i know...

just strange how thos thing have been applyed...

but maybe is just the " news"

bb

 

[Pandemic]

this is all very interesting but its in the wrong forum. please either close thread or move it to a different forum

 

[Driwen]

it goes about the moderating in this forum, so it is in the right board actually.
Its kinda pointless to have a discussion about a decision about moderating and do that in a different board, where no one who concerns it reads it?

 

[Damini]

Right - A private warning was sent to Zlair saying that we have no problem really if he likes/dislikes someone, but can he please refrain from the sexist statements as they are against the CoC.

These private messages were then publicly posted with a "HEY WATS UP GUYs ITS TROOO LADIES AARE IRRATIONAL ONCE A MONTH" type of thing. Each time a thread was closed, a new thread was opened

Every flame I make,
Every thread u take,
Every thing I said,
Every move u make,
Ill be .... making a new thread! God damnit!

Which I personally find to be taking the piss. We privately PMed the guy to ask that he refrain from making sexist antagonistic statements, and he reacts in this manner. If he wishes to discuss the ban sensibly, then he can e-mail me through my website.

We do and have banned people for the Die IRL comments before. We also PM people warnings.

Puppetmistress - if you're not the kind of guy to report when something is said that you don't like, then you have absolutely no grounds to complain about the moderating.

Edit:// And to make this clear for future reference, myself and Bigfoot are the only DAoC mods who can authorise bans, so if people could refrain from accusing the other mods and come straight to accusing me in the future, that would be nice.

 

[old.Thanatlos]

Congratulations Meduza!

You just won the 12-year-old of the month contest!!

Because that's what kids do.
Can't win an argument, start another one about that argument. And another.
And continue when you were warned.. twice..
And when you're finally punished for it, you continue to try and convince people that you are right and of course everyone that disagrees is extremely wrong.

Just so friggin' sad you get so worked up about something so trivial as a forum of a game

 

[meduza_001]

U cannot silence meh!

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Damini

Puppetmistress - if you're not the kind of guy to report when something is said that you don't like, then you have absolutely no grounds to complain about the moderating.

Excuse me? My title is not moderator. Your title is moderator.

I can be terribly wrong, but isn't it the job of the moderator to read the various posts and moderate if needed? You need the help of a user to pick out messages which can be possibly offending? Im *NOT* saying you have to do it all on yourselves, a better Barrysworld starts by its user.

But if I see various users repetitavely (sp?) saying stuff like 'I hope you die IRL' and not once but various times (in same thread AND around the board) I would *EXPECT* from someone who has the title moderator to atleast catch it once. If he catches it once he can click on the user his name to check out some postings of him. If it happens more often (which it does) he can take appropiate actions (warnings, ban, whatever).

The way I see it you got quite some moderators on the DAOC-boards sniffing around (you, Tilda, Flimgoblin, Belsameth). If that aint enough to catch the rot apples either get more moderators or become more active in reading/moderating. ' Expecting' users to point out bad postings is very unreliable way of dealing with it and the current tolerance towards those users kinda prooves that point, doesnt it ?

If I wanted to moderate I would have applied to it, I didnt, meaning I dont wanna be a moderator. But that doesnt mean I got no grounds to complain about sometimes the pretty big absence of moderation on BW.


And the reasons you banned Meduza for are pretty valid, but using the same reasoning I dont understand why some users who have no problems wishing 'something to happen to someone in real life' or are just insulting someone still are able to post here.

That has nothing to do with the fact I dont report postings.

 

[Driwen]

I dont care much for the flames and the die irl stuff. If people want to make such accusations then they must do it, but it doesnt effect me. However it does interest me when someone gets possibly banned for doing something less hurtful imo.
Anyway as I said earlier I think there is enough reason to ban meduza without claiming his actions are less than of other people who remain unbanned. But to claim that you cant comment on the modding when you dont report certain posts is bull.

 

[Damini]

We cannot be reasonably expected to read EVERY single post on these forums. Those we see, we respond to. Your argument is very much like saying:

It was disgusting. The other day I saw someone being stabbed, and no police came! The police are absolutely useless. I refuse to phone the police to help this guy, because they should do their job, so I just watched this guy being stabbed. It was awful. The police are scum.

It *is* to do with you if you are complaining about standards and yet at the same time refusing to assist at all.

I know for a fact that I've sent warnings to people and banned people for making "I wish you would die" statements, so I'm not cutting myself up over your accusations of poor moderating. If I don't know it exists, I can't help. Simple as. I spend a hell of a lot of time on these forums, as do the other mods, but still things slip through, which is exactly why he have the report this post button.

 

[Wij]

Originally posted by Damini
We cannot be reasonably expected to read EVERY single post on these forums. Those we see, we respond to. Your argument is very much like saying:



It *is* to do with you if you are complaining about standards and yet at the same time refusing to assist at all.

I know for a fact that I've sent warnings to people and banned people for making "I wish you would die" statements, so I'm not cutting myself up over your accusations of poor moderating. If I don't know it exists, I can't help. Simple as. I spend a hell of a lot of time on these forums, as do the other mods, but still things slip through, which is exactly why he have the report this post button.

irl tbh

 

[Khalen]

Ban him for life imo

 

[Rollie]

keep him banned imho, not only is he a 11 year old kid, but he is making new accounts spamming this board trying to force you into unbanning his account.

Keep him banned

 

[kinag]

I started to think, sure this is the real meduza? cause why would a guy make this shit out of him self? make him look like a total asshole, perhaps his acc. got hacked

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Damini
We cannot be reasonably expected to read EVERY single post on these forums. Those we see, we respond to. Your argument is very much like saying:



It *is* to do with you if you are complaining about standards and yet at the same time refusing to assist at all.

I know for a fact that I've sent warnings to people and banned people for making "I wish you would die" statements, so I'm not cutting myself up over your accusations of poor moderating. If I don't know it exists, I can't help. Simple as. I spend a hell of a lot of time on these forums, as do the other mods, but still things slip through, which is exactly why he have the report this post button.

If you wonna compare things I suggest comparing it to hooligans openly behaving like idiots on national TV and then the police is complaining they cannot 'see everything'.

EVERYONE can read Barrysworld, this includes the guys who hold the title they're ones moderating (MODERATORS). Which cannot be said by the police who aren't in a position to be everywhere at same time. Real life = real time, a forum is not. Moderators can read every posting if they really want to, just scan it if they dont wanna read it in full detail.

Notice how I say moderators and not you. That's right, there are 4 moderators, some of them spending a lot of time here.

Anyhow as prooven everyday when I (we?) see those 'FOAD IRL guys' post again the user moderation function is not working OR the moderater-team is being very irratic/random about who to ban.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Damini
We cannot be reasonably expected to read EVERY single post on these forums. Those we see, we respond to. Your argument is very much like saying:



It *is* to do with you if you are complaining about standards and yet at the same time refusing to assist at all.

except your example is wrong

It was disgusting. In my life I have seen several people getting punched in the face and no police came! But when I bumped into someone else the police did come and arrested me. That isnt really fair now is it?

We didnt say you were scum or bad mods, we did question wether it was fair to ban someone for midly flaming one person and letting other people go.
Now the examples in my police story are off as what meduza did in total is worse than most people do, but the flaming bit was less than what Im used to on BW.

 

[Cap'n Sissyfoo]

Originally posted by Belsameth
just a quick note.
I'm not evading debate on this issue (with those who actually put up avalid arguement, like Puppetmistress) but I'm at work and busy. have some patience till then

Busy day at the morgue? Ho ho.

Puppet, do you honestly think that the mods can read every singe post on these forums? Some of them *gasp* have jobs and lives to lead! If you find something offensive, like one of those 'FOAD IRL ROFOOSLOSLOOLOOORL' posts, then report it. If you don't want to report the posts that offend you stop getting so pissy when nothing gets done about it because believe it or not, the mods are not omniscient.

Chances are that most people take the 'foad irl' threads with a pinch of salt and don't bother to report them. People making sexist/racist postings like Xplo and, more recently, Meduza DO get reported and get banned for their stupidity.

 

[Damini]

If the forum just stopped dead, then that would be possible. You could go back and read every single post. However, constantly people are posting, so we are not in a priveledged position of being able to halt the flow of posts while we read through everything. Equally, we don't have the time to say - Right Tilda, I read this post, Bels read this one, Flim read this one, oooh, we both read this one... Gaps are bound to occur. The amount of time that would be needed for a mod to read every post, even to skim, would be propesterous. This is a volunatary post taken on by people that have real lives outside of the forums, and aren't actually wired to BW 24/7 reading every single thing as soon as it's posted. It would be like being sat on a factory line, not being able to leave your PC for fear of getting behind. It's simply not possible. The role of moderator in BW is dependent on the community assisting.

If you want a full time mod who does nothing else but read the forums, negating the need for reported posts, then please do start fundraising. This voluntary role is giving me a headache anyway.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Cap'n Sissyfoo
Puppet, do you honestly think that the mods can read every singe post on these forums? Some of them *gasp* have jobs and lives to lead! If you find something offensive, like one of those 'FOAD IRL ROFOOSLOSLOOLOOORL' posts, then report it. If you don't want to report the posts that offend you stop getting so pissy when nothing gets done about it because believe it or not, the mods are not omniscient.

see my point about that. You dont have to report stuff and still see a ban on a subject as bad. Anyway the mods have already explained their point so this is an useless discussion as it now goes about why puppet/me have a right to complain instead of why meduza got banned.

 

[Damini]

Originally posted by driwen
except your example is wrong

quote:
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It was disgusting. In my life I have seen several people getting punched in the face and no police came! But when I bumped into someone else the police did come and arrested me. That isnt really fair now is it?
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We didnt say you were scum or bad mods, we did question wether it was fair to ban someone for midly flaming one person and letting other people go.
Now the examples in my police story are off as what meduza did in total is worse than most people do, but the flaming bit was less than what Im used to on BW.

Erm, I really don't get your argument here. What the response was to his flaming was a private PM. You have no idea who gets PMed a warning because PM stands for Private Message, so how can you say that the response was different to usual? The banning only came because he decided to go out and antagonise.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by Puppetmistress
' Expecting' users to point out bad postings is very unreliable way of dealing with it and the current tolerance towards those users kinda prooves that point, doesnt it ?

It's not 'expecting' you to report a post. If I see something that's offensive to me, then I'll report a post. It takes less time than reading the post in the first place.

If you read something that's offensive, but don't report it then you really have no come-back to say it should have been locked/editted/deleted/poster-banned.

The posts made by Meduza which were deemed to be offensive probably were reported, and thus action taken.


And you really cannot say that the moderators should be reading everything posted on each one of these boards. With several hundred posters here, posting several thousands of posts here daily, (most of which is complete and utter drivel), you'd need 20 mods throwing most of their days away in order to read and moderate every single post.


So if you don't like a post (or poster - may aswell include the vindictive reason aswell), just press that button at the bottom of the post. Type one of these words into the box 'spam', 'offensive', 'rude', 'fighting', 'advertising', 'harassment', etc, etc. ~10 minutes later the board will be slightly less polluted and your eyes can rest-easy.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Damini
Erm, I really don't get your argument here. What the response was to his flaming was a private PM. You have no idea who gets PMed a warning because PM stands for Private Message, so how can you say that the response was different to usual? The banning only came because he decided to go out and antagonise.

that was the reason why puppet and atleast me asked why he got banned. That was BEFORE you replied, so that is before you explained what he did. In the analogy the police (you) then did talk to most of the offenders, but privately where we cant see it. With the bumping in we missed the part that was offensive, which was the whining of getting a warning.

edit: pin I think puppet tried to make the point that he thinks one offense was in his eyes worse than the other. But the lesser of the two got banned, he didnt really mind either of them. However he is interested, why the lesser of the two got banned. Which has been answered in my eyes.

 

[Puppetmistress]

Originally posted by Cap'n Sissyfoo
Busy day at the morgue? Ho ho.

Puppet, do you honestly think that the mods can read every singe post on these forums? Some of them *gasp* have jobs and lives to lead! If you find something offensive, like one of those 'FOAD IRL ROFOOSLOSLOOLOOORL' posts, then report it. If you don't want to report the posts that offend you stop getting so pissy when nothing gets done about it because believe it or not, the mods are not omniscient.

Well yes, you're probably right about the part that not all threads can be read by moderators.

However, then I turn the tables for a second: I dont read every single thread on BW. However I read *ALOT* of postings which are, to say the least, as bad as the ones Meduza did. I see them quite often from the same person(s).

How high are the odds 1 user (me) reads them multiple times yet 4 (perhaps more?) moderators miss it every single time?

I could pretty much post alot of crap in long 5+ pages counting threads and wouldn't get banned.

I could post 2 threads myselves, kick em up every time and get banned. Why? Because I would probably draw too much attention to myselves.

Which kinda prooves the fact the post-reporting (and moderation itselves) isn't really working very good and only works on the more 'stupid' spammers/insulters/FOADIRL-guys because they got catched easier by the moderators themselves.

Add to the fact it has become pretty much tolerated to wish someone to die IRL but making some sexual 'jokes' about gender is a definite no-no and spamming it (which on itself is tolerated quite often too) leads to banning.

In the end it all comes down to the fact I think the moderation (and banning) is not very consistent. Which leads to frustation to some users when they get banned because they're not doing something worse then some other frequent posters did (and still do).

My English is not my primary language and I find it difficult to explain, but I think alot of frustration comes down to the fact alot of things are tolerated and suddenly something which is pretty common (personal insults) on BW gets kicked off with a ban.





Chances are that most people take the 'foad irl' threads with a pinch of salt and don't bother to report them. People making sexist/racist postings like Xplo and, more recently, Meduza DO get reported and get banned for their stupidity. [/B][/QUOTE]

 

[AbPoon]

Seems rather sexist to me, if you make any comment pointed at a female then your in the shit as Damini's gonna bann you without blinking an eyelid but then if your a bloke/boy and someone makes a sexist comment to you (Happened to me quite a few times) then dont expect a moral crusader to come riding to your rescue.

Everyone wants the sex's to be equal but when it comes to things like this women are more equal to men.

As for the PMT thing well its not exactly a big deal really is it and its not really like its untrue, I know my split up with my fiancee recently came to a head while she was "on"

Its not that i like medd either i cant stand the guy but thats not the point, you ban a guy that says to a woman that it might be her time of the month and yet youve got an ingame theif as a mod, such double standards.

 

[Pin]

Originally posted by driwen
edit: pin I think puppet tried to make the point that he thinks one offense was in his eyes worse than the other. But the lesser of the two got banned, he didnt really mind either of them. However he is interested, why the lesser of the two got banned. Which has been answered in my eyes.

The point is, that someone found the original thread to be useless. Either it was reported, or spotted by a moderator and subsequently locked.

Meduza started another thread to continue the 'war', which is not wise when a conversation has been stopped by topic-locking.

Someone found Meduza's comments to be sexist, or offensive in some other way, and he was PM'd by a moderator warning about such comments. We do not know if VF was also reported or warned for any of her posts.

Meduza saw fit to open new threads, post contents of the warning PM, and continue ranting - this is why he was banned, not for the original comments/arguments/flames.

If VF had been warned and then proceeded in the same manner as Meduza, I have no doubt that she would also be banned.


And as you and Puppet said, you might not have seen any offense in the original postings, or seen either side as worse than the other. But someone using the boards did.


(and my response was to the "I see worse things here to which nothing is done" argument).

 

[Damini]

Add to the fact it has become pretty much tolerated to wish someone to die IRL

Erm, I keep saying again and again that I have warned people for saying that, and in the past and also really quite recently people have been banned for saying that after warnings, so I don't see this tolerance to be honest.

And Poon, he wasn't banned for the sexist comment. Why can't people get this into their understanding?? I sent a warning, a private message asking that he doesn't say such things. At most, this is a slapped wrist. That is not a ban. The ban came for the repeated re-opening of posts, antagonistic behaviour, and generally trying to be an irritance.

 

[old.Nol]

Personally I think moderators have a thankless job and get far too much abuse as it is. I doubt very much whether people would be 100% happy with all judgements by Moderators on BW.

He was given fair warning by PM, he continued to encite, so he got a well deserved ban. Now he's impounding that decision by behaving like a twat through alias account anyway, which to me, says Damini got it spot on.

P.S. I loved the earlier post where someone tried to imply that the moderator responsible for the banning was trying to impress VF, sheesh, you really have no clue.

 

[Ziva]

For me accusing mods of not moderating enough wasn't an issue (maybe it was for puppet, i don't know) as i think you are doing a great job. And yes, i know it's impossible to moderate and read every post and some help of people by reporting is good i think.

My main point is that i was really surprised to see that Meduza got a warning for a comment he made to someone that started flaming him in the first place by calling him an idiot. Maybe it's just me but calling someone an idiot for me is worse then making a joke about my period

Only thing that interests me is why Meduza got warned for this. I would understand the warning if someone was making a serious post and someone else made a comment out of nowhere about his or her gender but in this case both VF and Meduza acted like 4 year olds and therefore i don't understand it. The way is see it, is was just two people challenging eachother with flamylike comments.

I'm not going to comment on Meduza's behaviour after the warning cause i have to agree that's very bad so the eventual ban is understandable for me.

I can totally understand lack of time is a big issue for all mods but from this i got the (hopefully) wrong impression that some people are treated different then others.

 

[Damini]

Both people were acting poorly, there isn't any denying that. All that was asked (and I do not think this is wrong to ask) is that regardless of whether you like or dislike someone (and its obvious these two don't get on) can you refrain from dragging sexual steriotyping into it as you offend more people than the person you intended to.

There wasn't any demand to love Vodka Fairy, and so I don't think a private message asking such a thing is out of line at all.