Many sbs respeccing to cb?

[Zordo]

Just wondering what would be a good spec when 1.62 comes.. I was thinking of respeccing to cb again eventhough i got spanked by almost everyone when i was cb

I want to know what others are going to do

 

[salamurhaaja]

If that LA-nerf is going to stay 30-40% what people have reported from test server, yes I'll go CB.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

im staying where i am, LA still outdamages CS, still outdamages DW/CD, so i really see no point in respeccing.
All i'll be respeccing for is 50 Axe

CS styles are pathetic, no Stun, penalty to defence on your anytime etc, Havoc + Tyrs with comeback + frosty should be nice

 

[zaberhut]

i wil prolly try my current specc to start with (5specc) ... if i get a respecc stone ill rr6 specc him and see what thats like and if none of em works im going CB

 

[living]

what ever kills...

 

[froler-mid]

stay 5-spec, whine less.



and what Carlos said.

 

[minime_]

Ill keep my current spec an see if ill still be able to kill a something, if not im going CB.

 

[Haldar]

i've read many Pend logs, and all of them indicate that any template using LA is gimpy now. only CB stands as it was, but CBs are really weak against other assasins.

besides....i dont wish to change my playstyle from 5-spec to CB - been 5-spec for more than year.

maybe i'll quit.
maybe i'll create another char in Midgard
maybe i'll create char in another realm.

dunno yet.

 

[Zordo]

La still may outdamage cd/dw after the patch but sure as hell doesn't outdmg thrust/slash etc

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Zordo
La still may outdamage cd/dw after the patch but sure as hell doesn't outdmg thrust/slash etc

lols.


cry more. i advice u too listen too Unity ;X

or just spec a CB and be infil fodder.

 

[Carlos Bananos]

Originally posted by Zordo
La still may outdamage cd/dw after the patch but sure as hell doesn't outdmg thrust/slash etc

of course it does.


the logs you saw, they where all in the 150-250 range right? (ooh noh, we dont hit for 500 any more).


Infils struggle to break 150 on their BEST styles.


i've played an ubah sexeh infil, and, despite what i used to believe, the grass is not always greener on teh other side

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Carlos Bananos


i've played an ubah sexeh infil, and, despite what i used to believe, the grass is not always greener on teh other side

:great:

Wot can i say better than a big big

 

[Repent Reloaded]

Being a CB isnt about how much dmg you can do, being a CB is about how quick you can kill, 1-2 hits, LA does out dmg a CB after about 5 swings but that takes longer then 2 hits with a CB, both specs play diffrent and CS does have a stun btw.

 

[old.Lethul]

Originally posted by Repent
Being a CB isnt about how much dmg you can do, being a CB is about how quick you can kill, 1-2 hits, LA does out dmg a CB after about 5 swings but that takes longer then 2 hits with a CB, both specs play diffrent and CS does have a stun btw.

If you land PA or BS2 yes, maybe should make a new expression. Combat Stuns, CB lacks combat stun
I might respec CB, i love the TG sword so much. Its truly sexy. But first ill se how big the laxe nerf is, play some after 1.62 and see if its really gimped. gifv sb's h2h so i can quad PA

 

[Haldar]

from assasin analysis on Midgard Rogue VNBoards.

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Infiltrators have no problem whatsoever getting their weaponspecs to 50. If
you scan live level 50 Infiltrator accounts there is no doubt in my mind the
vast majority will all have 50 in Thrust or Slash. That's before Item and
Realm Rank bonuses are applied.

Nightshades will claim they don't, but they too have the ability to get to 50
weapon spec with little to no sacrafice. They can autotrain stealth to 48
and then spend spec points as so:

RR5 Nightshade, level 50
50+11+4 Weapon
39+11+4 Critical Strike
12+11+4 Celtic Dual
35+11+4 Stealth
33+11+4 Envenom

Why is this possible? Why can a Nightshade, with the same amount of spec points
as a Shadowblade, hit 50 Weapon Spec with no sacrafices?

Because Nightshades, unlike Shadowblades are not _required_ to spec in their
offhand skill. So a Nightshade will have more Weaponskill with no trade offs.
In addition to that they'll have an Insta-DD which is useful for tagging
runners or extra damage once their endurance runs out. They have access to
Wild Arcana and Avoid Pain. So why play a Shadowblade when you can have
that or the 2.5 Spec points of an Infiltrator?

A Shadowblade that autos stealth to 48 will end up with this type of build:

RR5 Shadowblade, level 50
39+11+4 Weapon
39+11+4 Left Axe
34+11+4 Critical Strike
34+11+4 Stealth
33+11+4 Envenom

The Shadowblade will have much less weapon skill then the Nightshade or Infiltrator.
And they have no choice but to spec slash damage, which is 100% Str based.
That means in any fight with another assassin, a Shadowblade will have
less weaponskill to begin with, and they will be subject to STR/CON
debuffs that incapacitate their weaponskill. Meanwhile, Infs/NS do have the
ability to choose Pierce/Thrust damage, and if so desired can only have 50%
effect from the debuff (as dex weapons are 50% STR/50% DEX based).

If the Shadowblade wants to have higher CS (39 or 44) They are going to have to
end up gimping either their Weapon spec or Left Axe.

And if a Shadowblade wants to be a Critblade (so they can have 50 weapon spec)
that already puts them at a huge disadvantage towards any other stealther. Why?

Mid 2-H Damage=115% of a 1-hander
CD/DW Damage=100% Main hand + 25% Offhand.

And that's at a spec of *1* in CD/DW! Inf/NS could totally ignore CD/DW and
still end up doing 10% more damage then a Critblade.

In summary, I do not think the LA changes are as cut and dry as Wyrd's and
Waterman's analysis seem to indicate. Assassin balance is much more complicated
then it would appear, and there are other balancing factors. If these LA
changes go through, Shadowblades will be at great disadvantage towards
any other stealther. And against casters, their primary prey. Because
they will not be able to get Critical Strike up as high as any other realm's
assassin. The following issues need to be addressed:

1. Endurance costs of Left Axe styles. LA styles are known for being endurance
hogs (to the point of only being able to execute 4-5 styles sometimes). If LA
damage is lowered, revisiting LA endurance consumption will become mandatory.

2. No access to thrust damage weapons, yet Dex is a SB's primary stat. Dex is
also beneficial to raise evade chances, but if you're a thruster/piercer you
also gain weaponskill. A double advantage SBs do not have. An alternate would
be to change SB sword/axes to use 75% STR, 25% DEX instead of 100% STR. Or
STR could be made the primary stat.

3. No access to dex/qui debuff in the envenom line. SBs are unable to debuff
Inf or NS equally because they only take 50% of a hit to their weaponskill.
Alternately, create a dex/con envenom. As using a dex/qui debuff would still
not be as hard-hitting as a str/con debuff is to a SB.

4. No good RA's. Vanish is bugged. Shadowrun is crap. The single best assassin
RA's remaining other then the cookie cutters (MOP, DR, etc) are Wild Arcana
and Avoid Pain. It's time to revisit realm abilities.

5. No single evade-stun style available, only an evade chain which after 1.62
will do less damage then the Hamstring chain.

6. Single line respec does not help someone who has gone 44/44. They respec
LA down to practically nothing (20ish), have gimped LA, and still cannot raise
CS enough. There need to be at least 2 single line respecs, but it would be
easier to give a full respec.

7. Furthermore none of this addresses the fact players have spent dozens of
hours farming cash to purchase spellcrafted suits of equipment that cost
between 3 and 10 plat, depending on your connections and quality of equipment
you had crafted. Even if they were given a full respec, what do they do with
all their now useless armor that doesn't fit their new spec? I don't know
how Mythic would do it, but it would be nice to allow LAers to wipe the
spellcrafting off their armor so they won't have to get the pieces all
re-made and expensive ablatives re-applied.
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[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]
from assasin analysis on Midgard Rogue VNBoards.

says it all, really

 

[Haldar]

Originally posted by froler-mid
says it all, really

in fact, i expected more thoughtful answer from u.

those are raw facts u see..

btw, just want to know, what is the bug with Vanish u infis always talk about?

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]

btw, just want to know, what is the bug with Vanish u infis always talk about?

i had vanish, its a fun ra, nothing more. these 2 PA etc, are very hard too get off.


u cant vanish if u got DOT, Bleed, Pet on you(u can , but u will get unstealthed again). And u wont 'vanish' totally, if i vanish infront of a SB they still see me 'stealthed'.

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Hroft[BC]
from assasin analysis on Midgard Rogue VNBoards.

===============================
The following issues need to be addressed:

1. Endurance costs of Left Axe styles. LA styles are known for being endurance
hogs (to the point of only being able to execute 4-5 styles sometimes). If LA
damage is lowered, revisiting LA endurance consumption will become mandatory.

2. No access to thrust damage weapons, yet Dex is a SB's primary stat.

3. No access to dex/qui debuff in the envenom line.

4. No good RA's. Vanish is bugged. Shadowrun is crap. The single best assassin
RA's remaining other then the cookie cutters (MOP, DR, etc) are Wild Arcana
and Avoid Pain. It's time to revisit realm abilities.

5. No single evade-stun style available, only an evade chain which after 1.62
will do less damage then the Hamstring chain.

6. Single line respec does not help someone who has gone 44/44. They respec
LA down to practically nothing (20ish), have gimped LA, and still cannot raise
CS enough. There need to be at least 2 single line respecs, but it would be
easier to give a full respec.

7. Furthermore none of this addresses the fact players have spent dozens of
hours farming cash to purchase spellcrafted suits of equipment that cost
between 3 and 10 plat,
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1. dont use doublefrost, your Snowsquall still outdmg any of thrust infil anytime styles.......if dmg on that one is really poo, use havoc+lvl50 axe style with Frosty gaze stun combo later.

2. sure, give sb's thrust line.

3. sure why not. (u have dex debuff charges in alchemy tho, but u dont really need it atm.)

4. yes. we all know NS got overpowered ra's. Sb's got worst unique ra of all assasins

5. 'Which do less dmg then the hamstring chain' <- DRAGONFANG.

6. u get a respec, be happy. minstrels and sorcs got none.

7. Mythic likes pve and cashfarming i guess.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by froler-mid
1. dont use doublefrost, your Snowsquall still outdmg any of thrust infil anytime styles.......if dmg on that one is really poo, use havoc+lvl50 axe style with Frosty gaze stun combo later.

2. sure, give sb's thrust line.

3. sure why not. (u have dex debuff charges in alchemy tho, but u dont really need it atm.)

4. yes. we all know NS got overpowered ra's. Sb's got worst unique ra of all assasins

5. 'Which do less dmg then the hamstring chain' <- DRAGONFANG.

6. u get a respec, be happy. minstrels and sorcs got none.

7. Mythic likes pve and cashfarming i guess.

1. Your thinking of snowblind, which has a defense penalty, medium i think. EDIT: sb's aint got skillpoints to take wpnspec to 50, they have to have alot in LA just to not get a penalty to dmg.

2. ok

3. yesplease

4. Thanks for ackowledging

5. Which doesnt require you to hit two styles in succession to get the stun in

6. sorcs and mincers didnt get slaughtered by the nerfbat did they?

7. No, they like that YOU do it

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Arnor2
1. Your thinking of snowblind, which has a defense penalty, medium i think. EDIT: sb's aint got skillpoints to take wpnspec to 50, they have to have alot in LA just to not get a penalty to dmg.


5. Which doesnt require you to hit two styles in succession to get the stun in

6. sorcs and mincers didnt get slaughtered by the nerfbat did they?

7. No, they like that YOU do it

1. afaik sbs only take 39 LA for the stun. well nm, LA styles(after patch) will still outdmg a thrust infil.

5. ive been stunned alot by the 'better' sb's. dont really see the problem here. 'Oh no, i have too use more styles then doublefrost!'

6. sorcs and mincers were gimped before that patch, and to un-gimp them selfs they needed a respec, your point is again?


7. i hate pve.

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by froler-mid
1. afaik sbs only take 39 LA for the stun. well nm, LA styles(after patch) will still outdmg a thrust infil.

5. ive been stunned alot by the 'better' sb's. dont really see the problem here. 'Oh no, i have too use more styles then doublefrost!'

6. sorcs and mincers were gimped before that patch, and to un-gimp them selfs they needed a respec, your point is again?


7. i hate pve.

Thing is, la-spec to a certain point will negate the dmg-penalty. me being fullspecc i have no idea what it is.
we'll see that when the patch goes live.

Oh yes, no doubt you have been stunned, BUT its twice as hard to do it then for ns&infil.

My point being that mythic has stated that they will give no respecs unless they nerf a specline.

good for you.

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by Arnor2
Thing is, la-spec to a certain point will negate the dmg-penalty. me being fullspecc i have no idea what it is.
we'll see that when the patch goes live.

Oh yes, no doubt you have been stunned, BUT its twice as hard to do it then for ns&infil.

My point being that mythic has stated that they will give no respecs unless they nerf a specline.

good for you.

39 LA is great. and will be after patch aswell. dont respec out of it.


twice as hard....soo? - i die in 5 swings from a sb anyway...


http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=49463035&replies=81

fun reading. sb's like that guy will suffer the most i guess

 

[old.Leel]

The real problem for sb's facing infs is the insanely high weaponskill of the infs compared to the sb, especially after str/con debuff. It is VERY hard to evade an infil, but the infil doesn't have such a hard time evading the sb. This makes it VERY hard to land first comeback, then frosty gaze, and it makes it quite easy for the infil to land thier dragonfang. Of course, sb's need 39 LA to even get their frosty gaze, and to ungimp their LA damage. You should try a zerker or sb and dual wield with 20 or less in LA and you will see that damage is really shyte, especially unstyled, totally blows. And that's unique to LA because of the way it works. ONLY reason to dual wield with sb and low LA spec is to get one more poison in. If at least they could give sb's access to mastery of blocking as an RA so they could make shield more usable. Would be very nice for a critblade.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by old.Leel
You should try a zerker or sb and dual wield with 20 or less in LA and you will see that damage is really shyte, especially unstyled, totally blows.

Better unstyled damage wont give you any edge on a battle, specially if u need 5 or less doublefrosts to obliterate an enemy.

U complain about the higher infils weapon skill (who allows us to whohoo!! 140 damages on Wyvernfang), as an infil can complain about the 240-300 damages a sb can inflict with doublefrost. Not to mention the edge of 310+ on comeback.


As Charlier mentioned, grass isnt allways greener in the other side

 

[Arnor]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos
Better unstyled damage wont give you any edge on a battle, specially if u need 5 or less doublefrosts to obliterate an enemy.

U complain about the higher infils weapon skill (who allows us to whohoo!! 140 damages on Wyvernfang), as an infil can complain about the 240-300 damages a sb can inflict with doublefrost. Not to mention the edge of 310+ on comeback.


As Charlier mentioned, grass isnt allways greener in the other side

its not your uber dmg there is a problem dude, more wpnskill= harder to evade, THATS the problem, especially when you need to get in 2 styles for a 7sec stun.

 

[old.Leel]

And you don't hit for that kind of damage on doublefrost buffed vs buffed unless it's a shadowzerker you're facing, and they SHOULD do that kind of damage to you.

 

[froler-mid]

Originally posted by old.Leel
And you don't hit for that kind of damage on doublefrost buffed vs buffed unless it's a shadowzerker you're facing, and they SHOULD do that kind of damage to you.

imho no


they get nerfed cos of it

 

[MiMeN]

hmmmm

The guy in the VNBOARD post wasnt very clever, 3.1 tg sword in main hand and 4.0 speed cleaver in off hand , I mean HELLO?!?!?!?!?



Ill try my spec, maybe keep it, maybe change it , maybe quit. First we all have to see what it is like when it goes live.


/salut

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by froler-mid
imho no


they get nerfed cos of it

Jepp, and with that LA nerf your dragonfand is gonna be nerfed some day. Then you can cry me a river. If this patch goes live with the current LA nerf of 30-35% on style/basedmg, then quess where ppl are gonne look next. Do you seriously think they will give any SB wub...no I don't think so. They will nerf both NS/INF the same way, and Dragonfang is the first to go down baby ....its called balancing lol

As for the discution SZ/5-Spec will not have a snowball chance in hell vs en equal RR INF/NS with 30-35% less dmg in LA. Either you have to rely on purging Dragonfang for a 50/50, or an opponent who doesnt use Env or it is resisted. All the tests done on Pendragon including what has come form INF/NS that aim for a fair figth, shows that the SB is gonna suffer badly vs other assassins. Yes, LA will still outdmg DW/CD with rougly 15%, but when we also look at INF/NS swinging 10-15% faster, we are talking almost same dmg. If you add in 9sec of Dragonfang on INF, and Diamondback/RA's on NS the picture is somewhat different.

If you look at at CB with 50AXE/44CS, he will be outdmg by 50TH/44CS INF/NS on CS-styles easily, cuz they use thrust weapon. That only leaves the 2H with Env + and high weaponskill, hoping not to be evaded, but still, 1 single Drafgonfang/Diamondback and it game over for the SB.

Anyway I'm gonna spec CB I'm not taking a 30-35% dmg reduction. I could have lived with 10%, but seeing the tonns of loggs from Pendragon I'm not gonna be a SZ, cuz that is dead spec now.