Mana Elditches

[Krissy]

I just wanted to know if they are any good.

I currently have a lvl 32 void eld but may respec to mana if it is viable (outside groups aswell).

the patch makes the AoE con/str a shout but is it any good to use?

My question basicly is :

Have u from personal experiance used it and found it to be very effective?

Have u come up against a mana eld and they debuffed ur con/str, and what was the general knockon effect, aka did it make u hit like a girl + lose alot of hits, or did it make little difference? .


For the ones that dont know what the Con/Str debuff value is :

At lvl 49 mana, mana elds get a -73 con/str debuff, its an instant cast as of patch and is an AoE that has a radius of 350, also has a 5 sec recast timer but its not exactly stopping anything.

Plz do not post opnions i had alot of them in #daoc.prydwen , i want facts, reports that are fact based from u personaly not ur friends or ur grans plz, my spec depends on it.

 

[SevenSins]

As a spiritmaster having the best Str/Con debuff, yes it is effective against casters, but it is NOT as effective against tanks.

Yes they loose a lot of hits, yes they loose a lot of strenght, but keep in mind that their damage as a mage is almost not noticable, the difference between a normal warrior, or a str/conned warrior. Since we're wearing paper armor we die fast anyway.

The only thing I found it very effective for are other mages, or chars with low strenght, such as kobolds/saracens/lurikeens.

Str/con decrease can sometimes, when lucky, be a life saver from some assasin type classes.

Keep in mind they usually switch weapons, have lots of poisons, thus "maybe" are nearly encumbered.

Str/con decrease, and they are rooted which is not breakable

The best part is where your everyday enemies, basically all classes, carry a lot and are nearly encumbered, then your str/con debuff instantly roots/snares (a similar effect) them which is not breakable by any sort of damage or cureable by any cure spell, only the realm ability purge and group purge work here.

I guess you have to be lucky with the last thing I said.

Hope this helped.

-The SevenSins

 

[old.Charonel]

hehe i've tried it out on gorre, lvl 36 full mana spec and it absolutely rocks!

i've said it before, and i'll say it again, you hit a ram group with that -73 str/con debuff shout and they ain't going NOWHERE! , hit a caster and you'll probably knock off more strength that they even have ffs

the snare DD is just rocking too, didnt think it'd be my favourite spell out of the mana line but i was wrong, its' the business.

see here for a bit more info on my testing:

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=502807#post502807

basically, i'm totally and utterly in love with mana spec, it's incredibly fun to use compared to void, and lvling is gonna be stupidly easy with full spec pbaoe, what more could you ask for? the gtaoe hits for bugger all (tried that too), the bolts still missed just as much as ever (out of 8 kills, using 16 bolts, 9 missed!, and that's the average for me!) and the void spells are all cold based and even the void DD seems ot hit mobs for less than the mana one even with niether getting - or + damage on them, respecing at the earliest oppertunity.

trust me, unless the reason you rolled void was because your totally and completely in love with bolt casting (even broken as it is now, and with no fix in sight) then you will absolutely love mana spec, i know i did, even more than i thought and i'd allready totally hyped myself about it too , went way over my expectations!

 

[Flimgoblin]

they'll fix bolts...

Therrik, Taldren and Raggie won't let them leave them like that

They are what make the Fire, Earth, Void and Runecarving lines - otherwise you might as well roll an air theurgist or a body sorceror (or many other types of caster)

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.Charonel

i've said it before, and i'll say it again, you hit a ram group with that -73 str/con debuff shout and they ain't going NOWHERE! , hit a caster and you'll probably knock off more strength that they even have ffs

Not really Charonel... My menta has 66 str. I got hit by a 66 str/con debuff and could still move. I was slightly snared (had 24 str left from memory). Debuffs are less effective on unbuffed enemies and more on buffed. So the ram group thing is probably right.

 

[old.job]

As a matter of interest, cos I'm levelin a void Eld for BG,
What is broken with bolts?

 

[old.Charonel]

maybe not you danyan but you rolled a celt mentalist , a bit stronger than the vast majority of casters out there, most of the kobbie/avalonians/saracens etc... will have perma root and not a damn thing they can do other htan purge, which is when we mezz, and then stun

oh the thing about bolts? they're broken because simply put they get blocked by meelee even though the target isnt in meelee, in rvr or grouped pve you will find that even having another group member merely target the person/mob your shooting at is enough to block it by meelee even if your target is nowhere near anyone at all, sometimes it even happens if your not bloody grouped, all it takes is for other people to be there looking at them.

if you really want to see this happen group with a couple of other bolt casters, all open with bolts and try to see how many actually DONT get blocked by meelee, tried it with three of us once, that's six bolts per mob, we were lucky if two of them didnt get blocked by meelee, there were only the three casters there, all bolting from max range, nobody anywhere near the mob etc... is annoying.

and nope, i dont ever think they'll fix bolts , i just dont that's all

 

[Danya]

There's a lot more prople rolling britons in alb and dwarves have always been a popular choice in midgard. As for not a damn thing they can do, well being rooted on a class with their entire firepower on ranged nukes isn't that much of an issue tbh... If someone rooted me and I'd stun them and nuke them silly.

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by old.job
As a matter of interest, cos I'm levelin a void Eld for BG,
What is broken with bolts?

I'd recommend light for Bg, better range and harder nukes. I certainly enjoyed my light eld in thid.

 

[old.job]

Better range????
But bolts have the longest range

1850 compared to max light 1500???????

 

[old.Lianuchta]

Nearsight has 2500 range, but does no dmg, however you get to nuke your target before he can blast you...

Guess that's what Danyan means.

I am repseccing to mana too I think. The idea of 50 Mana, 16 Void (first GTAE) and 12 Light (first nearsight) sounds almost too good to be true.

 

[Danya]

Bolt: 1875
Nearsight: 2300

Nearsight > Bolt.
Also nearsight is 2 seconds to cast and cripples your opponent for 2 minutes. And works on archers.

 

[Krissy]

Thank you Charonel, uve been a great help.

Looks like ill be trying Mana now .

Thank you again for some real info and not myth that i often get else where