Man U - Spurs and 'that' goal.

[Jonaldo]

How gutted am I?
ok so now most here know I'm a Spurs fan and no doubt can understand I'm feeling slightly aggreived at present.

I'm not a complete imbecile (much as some opinions may differ) and can appreciate that Manchester United did deserve something from the game with the way they performed and the possession they had. However at the end of the day it's goals that count and they didn't score any, whereas Tottenham quite clearly and blatantly scored a perfectly good goal only to have it disallowed.. well not even disallowed as it wasn't even considered over the line somehow despite it being over a yard past the goal line.

We defended immaculately and Ledley was rightly given MOTM (I really do think he is becoming a world class defender with each passing week and am glad he has now been named club captain with the departure of Jamie Redknapp. The vision from Mendes and the execution of the lob was great, although slightly overshadowed by the amazing technique and execution of the fumble by Roy Carroll. Then... it's over the line.. it's a goal.. it's.. not been given? Shocking, shocking decision, where was the lino? (assistant referee, whatever), was he not watching the game? After all that is what he is paid to do.

0-0 at Old Trafford, before the game I said I would be more than happy with a draw tonight. I've got to admit actually that I am very happy with a nil nil tonight but as mentioned earlier, I do feel slightly aggreived that they didnt' award what was clearly a goal.

So I'll ask what just about every commentator is asking;
"Is it time we started using technology and/or TV replays to confirm or deny certain vital decisions around the penalty area?"

(oh and I have Robinson and Ferdinand in my work fantasy football so a 0-0 is not all bad)

 

[Gray]

For those whom may have missed it, like me. ;o

 

[Skyler]

No excuses for that being missed... you could see it bounce over the line even from a tight angle you had to give that.

 

[Mobius]

As much as I hate Tottenham, I hate Man Utd more and I can't believe it wasn't given. There wasn't even a discussion about it because it was just so obviously a goal. I think they need to bring in video replays for stuff now cus its happening to often. Tiago's handball against Liverpool should've been given too...

 

[Yardoa]

yes and norwich should have had 2 pens against liverpool the other night!!

who gives a fuck?

over a season, decisions even themselves out!

 

[mank!]

It was a lucky shot.

 

[Mobius]

yes and norwich should have had 2 pens against liverpool the other night!!

who gives a fuck?

over a season, decisions even themselves out!

Lets see if Norwich end up getting relegated by 1 point or so...then you'll be mad.

 

[Yardoa]

I couldnt care if norwich get relegated

all i am saying is every team gets good and bad decisions throughout the season.

 

[Tom]

You can't have video replays in football. Where do you draw the line?

Video replays work in Rugby because its a stop-start game, but even then they only ahve them for live televised matches, which is unfair on the teams at the bottom of the league.

The only way the tv coverage should be used is to determine violent conduct.

 

[Doh_boy]

You can't have video replays in football. Where do you draw the line?

Video replays work in Rugby because its a stop-start game, but even then they only ahve them for live televised matches, which is unfair on the teams at the bottom of the league.

The only way the tv coverage should be used is to determine violent conduct.

They say they're only going to use them for situations like the other night. They say a maximum of 30sec from asking for video to judgement. Fouls, offsides etc won't be ruled on.

There's plans for a test on some final soon.

 

[Yussef]

I heard they'll be testing footballs with microchips in that will detect if the ball crosses the line or not.

 

[Ch3tan]

Actually the FA have said they are not considering video replays, the only thing they will be discussing is goal line technology.

 

[Gurnox]

Actually the FA have said they are not considering video replays, the only thing they will be discussing is goal line technology.

The FA embracing technology? Whatever next?

If this actually happens, it will be a fucking miracle. The FA haven't the guts to change anything in such a major way. Never have had, never will do.

Innit.

 

[Tom]

So you'd be happy if they'd had this technology in 1966 then?

Its bollocks. Football thrives on discussion and controversy. Part of the attraction is the fast-paced nature of the game. Start making decisions based on video evidence, and you slow it right down.

Besides, less important games have only eight cameras - the live premiership plus games can have 16. So you'd have the big teams playing with more cameras being able to detect errors - hardly fair on the teams at the bottom.

 

[Jonaldo]

I have to be honest here and say I don't actually watch football for mistakes and controversial decisions. I'd be ecstatic if they could do away with all the controvery and get it right. I love football as a sport and an exciting game to both watch and play, and when officials get things wrong it enfuriates me, not inspire me to have riveting conversations at work the next day.

As far as cameras go, the only technology they would use is cameras inside the actual goal on the line or a sensor in the centre of the ball and if it passes the line by x amount, the referee and officials will get a signal to inform them of a goal.

Unfair on lower level teams not having access to the technology? This is true and something that FIFA don't like doing, despite the fact that they totally ignore this ruling and have buzzers on the flags the assistant referees carry to signal the ref only in the top divisions in each country and the lower leagues have to put up with nothing.

 

[Gurnox]

I have to be honest here and say I don't actually watch football for mistakes and controversial decisions. I'd be ecstatic if they could do away with all the controvery and get it right. I love football as a sport and an exciting game to both watch and play, and when officials get things wrong it enfuriates me, not inspire me to have riveting conversations at work the next day.

As far as cameras go, the only technology they would use is cameras inside the actual goal on the line or a sensor in the centre of the ball and if it passes the line by x amount, the referee and officials will get a signal to inform them of a goal.

Unfair on lower level teams not having access to the technology? This is true and something that FIFA don't like doing, despite the fact that they totally ignore this ruling and have buzzers on the flags the assistant referees carry to signal the ref only in the top divisions in each country and the lower leagues have to put up with nothing.

There was a very interesting discussion on BBC Radio 5 Live about this. It's difficult to decide where to draw the line. But then, that's what the FA is for. They have enough funding to help the lower division teams out in implementing a solution. It's only RFID at the end of the day, and that is as cheap as you like.

I think there have been too many decisions that have gone the wrong way. Surely it's time to change things? One bad decision can cost a team millions these days. A bit of technology would make things so much fairer.

 

[Ch3tan]

Forget about goal line tech, and its not just the FA -it's FIFA considering it. Think about what the Welsh FA want FIFa to do, change the offside rule to only count if the attacking player is in the penalty area!

 

[JingleBells]

Report following Spurs, Man U rematch last night:
Manchester United put on a stunning display today in a behind-closed-doors
rematch ordered by the FA after Tuesdays debacle at Old Trafford.

The Super Reds went ahead just before the kick-off when Giggs was sent away
down the left wing.

His cross was handled on the half way line by a Spurs defender and a penalty
was awarded for this cynical foul. Paul Scholes stepped up to slot the ball
home for United's 33rd penalty of the season. It was no more than United
deserved.

The 15th minute saw the Super-Smashing Reds go two up after Michael Carrick
was penalised for coughing just outside the area. Christiano Ronaldo's
resultant free kick was slightly miss-hit, but even if the keeper was not
being pinned to the floor by Roy Keane, he would not have saved it. 2-0. It
was no more than United deserved.

The 21st minute saw more trouble for Spurs when Erik Edman was sent-off for
enquiring about the referee's Man United shirt. However two minutes after
the interval Spurs struck back after an amazing piece of good fortune. The
referee's assistant could only parry Pedro Mendes' shot and Robbie Keane
thumped the ball home. Confusion reigned for 10 minutes as the entire
Manchester United squad surrounded the referee, arguing that the referee's
assistant had been fouled 15 minutes earlier. The referee grudgingly had to
give the goal even though he racked his brain for a reason to disallow it.

Alex Ferguson was furious and rushed down from his seat in the stand to the
dugout, knocking over a number of blind, disabled, pensioners in
wheel-chairs on the way down. Fortunately, things settled down again as Paul
Scholes took a long-range shot, which deflected off the corner flag but had
clearly crossed the line, 3-1. It was no more than United deserved.

Just after the restart, un-sportsmanlike Nourredine Naybet was dismissed for
making ridiculous claims for a penalty after Roy Keane had nearly
decapitated Robbie Keane. The referee and his assistant missed the incident
as they were both asking Ryan Giggs for his autograph, but replays showed
that Keane's flying kung-fu kick, followed by a forearm smash was clearly
unintentional.

Ten minutes later Ferguson took off Giggs and replaced him with Alan Smith,
Eric Djemba Djemba and the suspended Wayne Rooney. Wonderful, wonderful Man
United's 4th came shortly after. Robbie Keane was caught offside just
outside the Spurs penalty area and Rooneys free-kick thundered in after
deflecting off the underside of the flood lights. It was no more than United
deserved.

The super, marvel, wonder Reds kept the pressure on until the bitter end. In
the 98th minute Ledley King conceded a free kick just outside his own area
for blatantly glancing at the referee. Ronaldo stepped up and proceeded to
chip the ball right into the referee's path and he made no mistake from 10
yards. Goal number 5 and it was no more than United deserved.

Scholes slotted home number 6 from the penalty spot after Gardner went down
with a broken leg. Fortunately Roy Keane was nearby when it happened and,
after running 50 yards, he was able to bring the incident to the referee's
attention. Unfazed by Gardner's cynical tactics, protruding bone and
spraying blood, the referee sent him off for diving (and time wasting) and
awarded United the penalty. Scholes cheekily chipped the ball over the
keeper and the crossbar, but the referee decided that it was a goal, because
based on past records, Scholes rarely missed.

When the final whistle went after 33 minutes of injury time, Spurs traipsed
off with their heads low, having been taught a footballing lesson by what is
by far the greatest team the World has ever seen. As the losers hit the
showers, a superb flowing movement by United culminated with a fine diving
header by Alex Ferguson and it was 7-1. However the referee decided that it
was such a good goal, it should count double.

8-1 then - and it was no more than United deserved.

 

[Tom]

I did a Birmingham match recently (I think it was Brum), where the Brum goalie drop kicked the ball out of the net. The linesman thought he'd kicked from outside his area, and a free kick was given. The replay from my camera showed he was about a yard inside the area.

What if the other side had scored? If video evidence is allowed, how could anybody ignore the calls for video evidence on a call like that?

Let there be controversy tbh.