Malmo dead on excal/mid ?

[Melachi-]

Is Malmo dead on excal/mid since 1.62? Because it is on mid/pryd, due to pathing changes on roaming mobs, its hard to get in solo along zw, and apparently dragon aggro's on lair safehill?

So is it dead on excal? or you go some new spot? or you just simply kill the dragon every DT with your excal zergs ? ;x

 

[Garnet]

They probably go to yar spot instead if that is still safe.

 

[zoolis]

Yar is the new *lair*

 

[Randalff]

lair turned into a privat xp spot... if u don't have a lvl 50 sm healer or shammie u don't get a spot... not that there many ppl anymore though...

 

[bacardi_skald]

hey while we're at it, whats that rock'n reroll on the official site by 1.62 ? havent played for a couple a months

 

[Vell]

Originally posted by bacardi_skald
hey while we're at it, whats that rock'n reroll on the official site by 1.62 ? havent played for a couple a months

Lo Bacardi

'Rock n Reroll' - if you have a level 50 character, you can insta-level your alts up to 20 on that account. Meaning you don't have to do the crappy levels.

People have their fingers crossed that Hib Pryd will get insta 30 - but we'll have to wait for an official announcement on that.

 

[Tasans]

Hill is still safe from the dragon.

 

[Denisée]

It is dead allright. Ither there is Guildgroup, PL-group or no group.

Sad but true...!

 

[rg-zorena]

so why not find a new tg spot and make it well know and arrange with lk:ing etc.. "just move lair" to another spot etc.. should work. or?

 

[Archeon]

theres a spot in TH which can be done with 3-4fg, only problem is you can't get there solo

But yeah i agree, the main reason for normal XPers getting driven out of the lair was Plvl groups. I was 'Lucky' enough to be lvling their while there was a fairly regular group of an un-named guild Plvling their dudes with Focus/PBAE pulls. They cleared the entire Forest with 1 pull, when asked to leave some mobs to us we recieved a prompt

'Piss off to Yar' (which was host to another Plvl group at the time )

10mins later the G1 shaman left because said Plvl group lost theirs and they wanted another. Then the group kinda fell apart. So you'l have to excuse me if i'm ever so slightly resentful of people/guilds who can't be assed to go to the 'out of the way' spots to do their Plvling and decide to go to one of the most popular 44+ XP spots in the realm.

 

[schinkaar]

where whould that be archeron?

 

[herjulf]

It is dead yes but not due to "pathing" of mobs.

I say they have made it EASIER getting to lair, i have run so many alts there recently without ONE fatality.

They have however made the named drakulvs overlap eachothers patrols down in the valleys.
The crossing from H to parallel side is far easier the ever before.

Lair is not patrolled it is just as before.

THE ONE AND SINGLE REASON lair is DEAD is SM + LEECH grps.
a annoying occurance, to make mass pulls and faster exp rate, but infact this is the one most realm damaging thing.
As fresh 50 meat and tanks/rogues are getting rarer and rarer.

And getting a exp grp in lair is but a rare thing.

And if one is made no SM will join unles they get to have their "leech" join, a buffbot or friends char, low leveled for powerleveling.

that is cheeeeeeese imo

 

[schinkaar]

how come PL groups killed lair?

 

[the_fnord]

Originally posted by schinkaar
how come PL groups killed lair?

'Cus there's too many xp-horny 1337 sodds who can't stand that there actually are peeps who try and play for fun...

 

[schinkaar]

no PL group, l337 or not consider exping fun. they whouldnt consider xping fun in another group either, so fo people who have fun xping and dont want these people with them its only nice.

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by schinkaar
where whould that be archeron?

The room just before Nosorden (Nisorden? Well whatever, the big worm dude) is filled with purple mobs which bring 3-5 friends each. With 3-5fg the XP is generally as good (per mob) as lair, and typically quicker.

I've been down there a couple of times but since i dinged my Shammy lvl50 and as it stands i don't have any other 40+ characters there hasn't been much reason for me to go down there (and nobody else seems to want to arrange them either)

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by schinkaar
how come PL groups killed lair?

for one because they take the shamans and healers, the melee group needs. Secondly because they also take the melee's on their own list without telling you they are without melee(atleast that happened to me). Thirdly they take up the spots that are available for pulling, so you need to find some other place to pull.

 

[schinkaar]

well otherwise the PL:ers whould join the non PL:ers and increase the list size, when we did my PL the healer list was at 10 so and since you usually have a 50 pachealer (i.e a PL:er) and sometimes 1 or 2 pethealers (doesnt matter much what lvl really).
this should give you most of the 45ish pachealers (dont need any higher for box pbae 2 FG, these whould however most likely not get a spot. So the only difference really is that the PL:ers (that you seem to hate) joined PL:ing grps. I dont understand why you blame them for doing this tho, are they in anyway responsible for your xp? And regarding spot stealing, yar was unused 99% of the time we PL:ed their most didnt even know where the spot was (BC did some GG there sometimes tho). Now this made malm usually contain MORE groups and the total XP gain in malmo increased, so this should be better for everyone except those who want to have alot of ppl on list waiting so that their exp group doesnt disband before they wanna quit.

and to archeron, if they require that many ppl they are way too high to pbae and therefore shouldnt be as good. Especially a PL group couldnt do it, so dont blame them for not taking impossible spots.

 

[Archeon]

Originally posted by schinkaar
and to archeron, if they require that many ppl they are way too high to pbae and therefore shouldnt be as good. Especially a PL group couldnt do it, so dont blame them for not taking impossible spots.

First - as the saying goes, don't knock it till you've tried it. And i'l go out on a limb by saying you havn't if you need me to tell you where it is.

Next. I didn't say they should go there, i was just pointing out that there are Alternative areas to XP. Malmo is/was the set place for lvl43+ to go for XP, you could show up slap your name on the list and you would (eventually) get into a group and get stable XP. Not saying it was perfect (as anyone who's been there knows) but its generally stable and good XP.

Plvl groups on the other hand, being pre-arranged and all that have the option to go to other places. E.g. the Bar room in TH is a good spot. The area left of the entrance in TG would also be a fairly good place (the pop rate there isn't linked with the rest of the dungeon) and is relativly quick, not to mention you could probably go deeper down to possibly the spine room (TG drops) if you were carful.

Maybe you were considerate and went to the less used 'Yar' spot and in which case. But there have been plenty of other people who havn't bothered and just pulled from the forest area which, like i said. Totally buggers it up for those of us who arn't in a position to get Plvled/Have a leech/Etc.

Its not that i have a problem with the concept of Plvling, its only the people who do it in the areas which are more commenly used for normal lvling (e.g. Malmo/Lair, Spind).

 

[herjulf]

some1 above asked why ppl blame powerlvl grps.

well answer is easy, for once possible grp spots is taken up by leech lowlvl alts/buffbots.
shadowblades/hunters majority of tanks will not get into those grps. ever. ever ever.

The old style with 2 grps mainly melee, was slow exp but there was place for all kidns of classes.

the not so old style with 2 SM´s in each grp atleast left spots open for rogues and hybrids.

this new lamah style leave very low chances for ppl to get a exp spot.

In the long run this will gimp our realm totally, and all other realms will grow stonger and stronger and have a healthy variety of classes.

 

[herjulf]

Originally posted by schinkaar are they in anyway responsible for your xp? [/B]

Imo they have a responsibility in not damaging the realm in whole and ruining the chances for other ppl to get decent exp.

It is also poor comradeship, atleast imo.

Not all ppl have guilds that can create their own malmo/TG hunts, i am fortunate enuff to have that.
But not all can say the same.

 

[schinkaar]

But the people PL:ing make up for new chars dont they? instead of xping 16 ppl at 2x the time they exp 8 ppl at half the time, so in the end this means more classes. The PL:ers are prolly more keen to roll chars that is needed, both by their guild and their realm (since as a PL:er its much easier to lvl). While both healers and shamans have the choice of joining PL grps, since all tank groups need 1 shaman and 3 healers this means 50% of the RvR population is supported by PL groups. There is also few RvR active healers than tanks (i think). So all in all PL grps should infact help the realm more (when it comes to regular RvR, i.e farming). If we are talking relicraids, both SM:s and healers do have key rolls aswell. And since these classes also get alot faster exp due to PL grps this should also be beneficial to the realm. The only thing it really hurts is people without any 50:s, that are of no use in either RvR or RR:s, but how many dont have a 50 anyway?

Now regarding comradeship i really dont see your point here, sure it whould be nice if everyone ran around and being friends with everyone but thats very idealistic, and certenly lair have nothing to do with that. Atleast when i did the regular lair grp all that seem to come out of it was whine and hostility. And if there is so many people without friends/guilds/whatever why dont THEY make a group and go XP?

 

[Driwen]

a pl'er usually only does it for himself and maybe for a very close friend. This means that allthough he might have 16 lvl 50 chars he can still only play one of them in RvR. So if the pl'ers are actually slowing the xp'ing down of people with pl option. They are gimping the realm, as those people are usually the ones who dont have a lvl 50 yet or maybe just one.
Now these people who are slowed down are the ones who the realm needs to level faster. As they will most likely play that specific level 50 more than the pl'er will.

Besides that the pl'er could also go to another place than lair and level reasonable fast, where as the other person might not have that option.

However everyone can go anywhere they want, so it is ok to use a SM group at lair (lair not yar), but imo it does slow down the leveling of someones first level 50 .

 

[svartmetall]

Originally posted by schinkaar
Now regarding comradeship i really dont see your point here, sure it whould be nice if everyone ran around and being friends with everyone but thats very idealistic

And what's wrong with a bit of idealism? If we can't even be friendly and altruistic in a GAME, we're pretty much fucked in real life. The "ME ME ME I MUST BE UBER AT ALL COSTS" attitude is slowly poisoning this game.

when i did the regular lair grp all that seem to come out of it was whine and hostility.

Because even then Lair was full of stuck-up little kiddies with their "ME ME ME I MUST BE UBER AND BE ABLE TO SOLO ALL WITH MY L337NESS" attitudes...I levelled Svartmetall to 50 at H and Lair because that was where everyone said you had to do it, but it wasn't much fun at all. I'm not taking Collateral Damage there, apparently it's even worse for selfishness and powergaming than it was 6/7 months ago.

 

[nocte]

seems mid is going through what hib has had for going on 9 months. for example, 4 fins in CF, a popular lvl 45+ spot is contantly invaded by a lvl 50 chanter and his/her grey alt :/

most 40+ xping is now done in SI dungeons, but you do have the other places like bog and sheeroe hills.

was just a matter of time before mid (or even alb) had taken to focus pulling to Pl their grey alts.

 

[Eyeinthedark]

Malmo dead on excal/mid ? [/B]

Yes, that spot is closed if you dont have a sm or close friend with a sm.

 

[herjulf]

Re: Re: Malmo dead on excal/mid ?

Originally posted by Eyeinthedark
Yes, that spot is closed if you dont have a sm or close friend with a sm.

well why did a write so much text earlier when i could have shortened it down to this.
it covers it all ^^

 

[schinkaar]

malm if open to anyone, make your own group and go there instead of whining on PL groups not taking you on the list.
Then you can have your own list/rules, you might even consider not being bothered by the powerlevelers and leave them alone!

 

[Eyeinthedark]

Re: Re: Re: Malmo dead on excal/mid ?

Originally posted by herjulf
well why did a write so much text earlier when i could have shortened it down to this.
it covers it all ^^