Maby I need to look up the phrase "Stand and Fight"

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
willow, correction.
Theurgs has a root and clerics gets a stun, and the stun gets nerfed.
And the minstrel AE willl be very poor 6 sec cast times and poor range.

theurgist have the confusing gust ae mez line if specced in vapormancy.

clerics get insta-pbaoe mez if specced in smite (I think it is anyways).

If you're not going to count spec line ae mezzes.. then albs have no ae mez (sorc is specline too). neither do hibs (eld+bard are both spec line) and neither do mids (healer is spec line, and as noita has now told me, in current patch SMs got no target ae mez at all).

So clearly no realm has any CC at all, we're all gimped!!

 

[old.Gombur Glodson]

Lets all quit

 

[robillard]

Originally posted by vidx
LOL
Even if you don't have any Sorcerers about in RvR, a nice AoE Root will be just as good, basically tanking all non-casters/ranged hybrids out of commission for a while (unless purge) meaning you can concentrate on single target mezzing and killing casters, ranged classes and CC casters

two problems there, firstly root doesnt stop the hib casters which are by far the most troublesome thing you can throw at us, and secondly you say "unless purge", well since you get group purge for your druids thats one big unless.
thats why we need more useful mez characters playing

Robillard
sorcerer
Guardian

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by robillard



two problems there, firstly root doesnt stop the hib casters which are by far the most troublesome thing you can throw at us, and secondly you say "unless purge", well since you get group purge for your druids thats one big unless.
thats why we need more useful mez characters playing

Robilard
sorcerer
Guardian

Please read what I said again, I think I already answered your point before you made it

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by old.Gombur Glodson
sigh, minstrel DO NOT have insta CC, what we have is an insta 6 sec stun. Please try to understand that now.

Stun is a form of CC, just not an AoE one. It gives a minstrel a chance to cast mez on another 2 targets then back on the first one with a mez. 3 Mezzes possible quite easily if you catch the targets by surprise and stun the only ranged attacker. Most tanks will try charging the CC caster to get in range to hit, and not realise that a bow shot will, although take 3-4 seconds to do, will mean they will have a chance of interupting the caster before he/she gets another mez off.

You have to make do with what you want, if you don't, please don't whine.

Hib had a SEVERE lack of 'Shades up until a few weeks ago, after we started encouraging people to play them and making sure they get in groups. Yes, there are still problems, but people are realising that we need them and are realising that they are actually very good additions to XP groups.

Now we have a severe lack of pbaoe casters

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by old.mattshanes
Its more then that besides there shouldnt be CC in rvr because in the old days you wouldnt have an army frozen in the middle of hastings would you

I guess you are kidding here. How anyone could compare a FANTASY GAME, with dragons and zombies, to the battle of Hastings is beyond me...

 

[old.mattshanes]

Yes i was i am not a serious guy hehe

 

[Danya]

Originally posted by vidx
Stun is a form of CC, just not an AoE one. It gives a minstrel a chance to cast mez on another 2 targets then back on the first one with a mez. 3 Mezzes possible quite easily if you catch the targets by surprise and stun the only ranged attacker. Most tanks will try charging the CC caster to get in range to hit, and not realise that a bow shot will, although take 3-4 seconds to do, will mean they will have a chance of interupting the caster before he/she gets another mez off.

Interesting thought, but untrue. 2 pure tanks + 1 ranged... stun ranged, mez tank, other tank twats you silly with his sword/shield, minstrel = dead. Stun is 700 range, not 1500 range (like mez). Try playing a class before saying what they can and can't do.
Single target mez isn't much use when a FG runs up either unless you have multiple mezzers, AE mez is far superior. Also minstrels get no dex bonus on casting speed so pretty much everyone can mez faster...

 

[old.willowywicca]

yes, the use of smilies, such as the one matt used are for indicating that one is joking/not being serious, or to convey other emotions too. If you read stuff without noticing smileys you will quickly think everyone hates you and.. and.. well you'll prob turn out like sigurd!

Mal

 

[old.willowywicca]

Originally posted by Dannyn

Interesting thought, but untrue. 2 pure tanks + 1 ranged... stun ranged, mez tank, other tank twats you silly with his sword/shield, minstrel = dead. Stun is 700 range, not 1500 range (like mez). Try playing a class before saying what they can and can't do.
Single target mez isn't much use when a FG runs up either unless you have multiple mezzers, AE mez is far superior. Also minstrels get no dex bonus on casting speed so pretty much everyone can mez faster...

Yes, or being a minstrel you could stealth/flee with run song/SoS and *not* try to take out ppl in a 3 vs 1 fight, since there aren't many who'd win a 3 vs 1 fight anyway. or if it's a 3 vs 3 fight you were discussing, then you effectvely took 2 of them out of the fight, turning it into a 3 vs 1 fight in your favour

 

[VidX]

Originally posted by Dannyn

Interesting thought, but untrue. 2 pure tanks + 1 ranged... stun ranged, mez tank, other tank twats you silly with his sword/shield, minstrel = dead. Stun is 700 range, not 1500 range (like mez). Try playing a class before saying what they can and can't do.
Single target mez isn't much use when a FG runs up either unless you have multiple mezzers, AE mez is far superior. Also minstrels get no dex bonus on casting speed so pretty much everyone can mez faster...

Please note the use of the word 'surprise'

Catch the caster from behind and immediately start casting on one tank. You will probably be able to mezz that tank before the other one spots you. Also, there is nothing stopping you at that stage from running and stealthing to allow stun timer to reset, then stunning the unmezzed tank, while mezzing caster, then mezz tank.

Oh, and have tried it, works, but unfortunately I was too low level and the first mez nearly wore off before the 2nd tank was mezzed

Remember, 'surprise', it's what stealth is for.

 

[Danya]

From surprise I'd dd/mez the caster first, then a tank and stun the second tank then mez him. Then kill the caster and run off.

 

[Turamber]

Had someone telling me last night in Hibernia/Excalibur that Albion's crowd control is overpowered. I guess the grass always seems greener elsewhere.

Sure it's Alb's fault that we don't have that many sorcerers - but where as we have a class that can effectively only do that job in Hibernia your primary AoE mezz class is music based (so very common) and in Midgard its also the primary healing class (so should also be very common ... in theory anyway).

We do have a number of minstrels in Albion, but its hugely unlikely that any 8 man RvR group will have more than one. Cleric insta mezz is very nice, but its point blank and short duration - hardly very useful for mezzing an enemy group in RvR.

But the grass always does seem greener on the other side...

Vive la differance...

 

[robillard]

interesting post here that seems to sum up what we've been talking about very clearly

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=37589591&replies=47

 

[old.marteeny]

the person from excal/hib is obviously insane.

 

[Chole]

lol, this post was never ament to be about cc (tho I reckon it should be taken out of RvR, makes nearly every fight go down to who has and can pull of the cc first (yes I know I use my root, but in a world where if u dont, others will) I much prefer then fights where everyone is active, and its about smart tactics, rather then ohh there mezd, lets pick off that 1 first, ohh then that player)

And like the link to VN boards, puts a smile on my face to see Theurs so low on a cc table (wait for spam of, BUT YOU HAVE AoE MEZ, tell you what, you can have my AoE mez, and ill have anything else)

 

[Danya]

hib cc > alb

 

[case-rigantis]

if anyone ever wants to stand and fight stay close to me and my guildies we`ll be the little pile of bodies near the front who stood and fought 90 mids alone

any support would be appreciated although i`ve long given up expecting any..we jsut all make sure we bind at teh same place and run to sauvage on minstrel speed for another zerging

 

[old.mattshanes]

I was with delket in emain last night and the guy sure is good in rvr.He went straight into dc solo and i followed with him,i killed 3 people whilst he must of killed 5 on his own at least.But i died then i think he did too,oh well at least we earned rps.

Point being u may die but at least you earn rps and go out with a bang